Topic: Namecoin: DNS and ICANN solution (Read 1810 times)
I'm just spreading awareness about this coin. I don't own any at the moment! Just to let you know...
Hey guys join us on Slack https://namecoin-group.slack.com
Because many people seem to be misinterpreting Namecoin's role, I'll quote the source:
This means that ICANN recognizes Namecoin as an alternative and doesn't want to interfere. The developers would like to avoid a "collision" that'd cause .bit ending up becoming an ICANN TLD.
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The ICANN community appears to be reasonably accepting of Namecoin’s role as an alternative to DNS; Namecoin makes different tradeoffs from DNS, is therefore likely to be optimal for a different userbase, and can co-exist with DNS in its current state.
https://namecoin.org/2017/04/17/icann-58-summary.htmlThis means that ICANN recognizes Namecoin as an alternative and doesn't want to interfere. The developers would like to avoid a "collision" that'd cause .bit ending up becoming an ICANN TLD.
Honestly, and without offense, some people seem to be misinterpreting icann's role.
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After I posted that I noticed another post I had made in a moderated thread was deleted, and my reaction is to simply discredit the person trying to control the conversation through 'moderation' of other peoples' comments.
Speech, conversation, etc can be very useful, it has importance. But when it is hijacked by one special interest then it becomes trivial. A person is free to surf through icann's world wide web. They can find a lot of good sites and a lot of bad sites. The one thing though they can count on, is that any sites that offend major commercial interests in the United States will be taken down by icann. Is that really what the internet should be about?
Because many people seem to be misinterpreting Namecoin's role, I'll quote the source:
This means that ICANN recognizes Namecoin as an alternative and doesn't want to interfere. The developers would like to avoid a "collision" that'd cause .bit ending up becoming an ICANN TLD.
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The ICANN community appears to be reasonably accepting of Namecoin’s role as an alternative to DNS; Namecoin makes different tradeoffs from DNS, is therefore likely to be optimal for a different userbase, and can co-exist with DNS in its current state.
https://namecoin.org/2017/04/17/icann-58-summary.htmlThis means that ICANN recognizes Namecoin as an alternative and doesn't want to interfere. The developers would like to avoid a "collision" that'd cause .bit ending up becoming an ICANN TLD.
Interesting idea. I will do some reading on this over the weekend.
A 'free internet' is a great idea, but remember that most connections are going over equipment owned by large corporations- ATT/ Verizon in the US, I believe Virgin in the UK, Deutsche Telekom in Germany etc...
so there may always be some form of censorship available since these companies are usually directly tied to the government.
A 'free internet' is a great idea, but remember that most connections are going over equipment owned by large corporations- ATT/ Verizon in the US, I believe Virgin in the UK, Deutsche Telekom in Germany etc...
so there may always be some form of censorship available since these companies are usually directly tied to the government.
Namecoin had a problem that someone registered lots of DNS for pennies since price was not locked to something.
BipCoin solved this by pegging it with Gold.
I am not a PRO but listened one podcast with their interview and since i like Criptonight in general kept it in my memory. BipCoin solving this problem way better then Namecoin
BipCoin solved this by pegging it with Gold.
I am not a PRO but listened one podcast with their interview and since i like Criptonight in general kept it in my memory. BipCoin solving this problem way better then Namecoin
"Namecoin is the first fork" ?
Yes.
Yes.
Name coin dead coin it seems to me
Hey troll! How are you today?
Name coin dead coin it seems to me
Ok, TLDs might not be truly free (as in freedom), but where does namecoin fit into the picture? Is there any correlation to be made between what you're asserting and OP's post?
If you mean when Alex said "Namecoin is the first fork..." yes.
Bitcoin lets a person create a currency that anybody can adopt or ignore or anything else they want. So far the only option was to use highly liquid currencies that were created by governments. If you chose to not use the local currency you would be attacked by legal predators trying to enforce the use of 'their' money, i.e., the money of their 'employer'.
Likewise Namecoin. So far, to make a public page that is visible to millions of people, a website, you must act through an entity that is forced to follow the short term wishes of people with political interests, i.e., icann, or you can make a site through tor, which caters more to criminal activity and at any rate would not be safe for political sites, despite what people think. Namecoin lets you register a domain that is kept not at the pleasure of somebody with political motives, but by a consensus that involves users of the coin.
So with Namecoin, and any similar coin that might be created in the future, you can register a website that only you are responsible for and have power over. The next step, decentralized hosting, has a lot of people ready, once the domain issue is free. Small internets can be created in a way that is safe from interference, the question is how to link them, so anybody can easily go to any internet through any browser.
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Right now there are a lot of latecomers to the crypto party who have new solutions, which almost always involve an ico, a premine, or some other bullshit. Those coins will not last. Namecoin will.
Quote from: aaron swartz link=https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/domain-name-seizures-329/
FOIA REQUEST: Expedited processing requested
To Whom It May Concern:
This is a request under the Freedom of Information Act. I hereby request the following records:
Any records related to domain name seizures, including those conduced by DHS and ICE, including the domain names...
...
...
I also request that, if appropriate, fees be waived as I believe this request is in the public interest. The requested documents will be made available to the general public free of charge as part of the public information service at MuckRock.com, processed by a representative of the news media/press and is made in the process of news gathering and not for commercial usage.
In the event that fees cannot be waived, I would be grateful if you would inform me of the total charges in advance of fulfilling my request if they are in excess of $50. I hereby agree to pay fees up to $50. I would prefer the request filled electronically, by e-mail attachment if available or CD-ROM if not.
Thank you in advance for your anticipated cooperation in this matter. I look forward to receiving your response to this request within 20 business days, as the statute requires.
Sincerely,
Aaron Swartz
To Whom It May Concern:
This is a request under the Freedom of Information Act. I hereby request the following records:
Any records related to domain name seizures, including those conduced by DHS and ICE, including the domain names...
...
...
I also request that, if appropriate, fees be waived as I believe this request is in the public interest. The requested documents will be made available to the general public free of charge as part of the public information service at MuckRock.com, processed by a representative of the news media/press and is made in the process of news gathering and not for commercial usage.
In the event that fees cannot be waived, I would be grateful if you would inform me of the total charges in advance of fulfilling my request if they are in excess of $50. I hereby agree to pay fees up to $50. I would prefer the request filled electronically, by e-mail attachment if available or CD-ROM if not.
Thank you in advance for your anticipated cooperation in this matter. I look forward to receiving your response to this request within 20 business days, as the statute requires.
Sincerely,
Aaron Swartz
Quote from: aaron swartz link=https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/domain-name-seizures-329/
I'd like to resubmit my request to request, specifically:
- Any guidelines or protocols for ICE agents about the procedures for seizing domains
- Any communications between ICE and other government agencies with regard to the seized domains
- Any communications between ICE and intellectual property owners requesting domains be seized or discussing seized domains
- Any court filings requesting authorization to seize domains
- Any internal emails mentioning the seized sites
- Any legal memos mentioning the seized sites
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/02/senator-us-domain-name-seizures-alarmingly-unprecedented/
https://torrentfreak.com/u-s-government-shuts-down-music-sharing-sites-141022/
https://torrentfreak.com/us-copyright-law-doesnt-apply-worldwidedvd-ripper-tells-court-140424/
https://torrentfreak.com/uk-seize-popular-music-blog-arrest-operators-and-threaten-readers-120214/
https://www.indolering.com/chilling-effects-domain-names
https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/guidance-domain-seizures-07mar12-en.pdf
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I don't use torrent sites, I don't buy drugs online or anywhere else, I don't support any crimes etc. The fact is though that if you have a lot of money you can tell law enforcement what to consider as a crime. The entertainment industry invested heavily in purchasing U.S. law enforcement, so they, the industry, now control that aspect of the internet. Tomorrow some billionaire with some other odd belief may be deciding what a crime is.
We will start some PR and we will bring the attention on Slack soon!
Ok, TLDs might not be truly free (as in freedom), but where does namecoin fit into the picture? Is there any correlation to be made between what you're asserting and OP's post?
Namecoin is one of the forgotten technologies that failed to latch onto bitcoin's success. A revival would need to be something really innovative but likely wouldn't come from ICANN. They might have hinted that they wouldn't interfere but such an org couldn't get involved with the promotion of a single crypto.
ICANN is an organization that decides whether you can use a particular domain, and of course they are ultimately forced to cede to the wishes of more powerful organizations, like governments, in various matters.
Namecoin is a process that allows any individual to use any available domain within its realm, without asking permission and without worrying about whether a government will seize their domain if they speak offensively regarding the interests of people who profit from a specific government.
'Reviving' seems like it should only need making .bit domains completely useable as .com .net .org etc. When I type a .bit address into my browser nothing happens. It appends 'www' automatically then says 'server not found'. It would be necessary to visit icann with a suitcase full of cash and some lawyers, and convince them to 'normalize' the .bit extension I guess. If it ever happens that .bit registered through Namecoin is accessible to everybody without having to load a blockchain or even know what Namecoin is, the way you can use a .org without knowing what icann is, Namecoin will be significant. It will change politics in many countries and more.
It'd benefit "bigly" and I mean it: A really major change. First, most users are not going to install an extension to be able to access .bit domains. It means, for now, people are not going to use .bit domains. Remember that domains are not "free" and namecoin domains are the closest to free as possible. So if browsers could access .bit domains, I'm pretty sure thousands or maybe hundreds of thousands of people will start using them.
The 'currency' is not the issue.
Many people are not aware of current restrictions on the internet, some people are aware.
If you register a domain you keep that domain only at the pleasure of your government, and sometimes even foreign governments.
There have been lots of examples, very few have gotten publicity. A few years ago the U.S. government shut down some European tourist companies for competitive reasons by revoking their websites through icann, as I recall. At the time a lot of people were shocked. Today not, because you probably will not be able to find any mention of that incident online without searching a long time.
Tor is often considered a 'free speech' internet where you cannot be censored. But the truth is that there has been a lot of evidence that tor is one big censorship honeypot, in fact fully cracked from the start.
Very few people support using websites to sell drugs, hire hitmen, promote child pornography, etc. But a lot of people, generally people of little political power, support using websites to protest at a safe distance from dangerous entities. However those dangerous entities will use 'drugs, violence, predation' websites as an excuse to limit politically threatening websites.
What icann might be able to do, is provide the infrastructure to connect .bit with their internet.
You can use tor onions and imagine that "smart people are protecting your anonymity", or you can use a .bit like product and protect it yourself.
Young people should be smart and learn from history.
Namecoin is one of the forgotten technologies that failed to latch onto bitcoin's success. A revival would need to be something really innovative but likely wouldn't come from ICANN. They might have hinted that they wouldn't interfere but such an org couldn't get involved with the promotion of a single crypto.
ICANN is an organization that decides whether you can use a particular domain, and of course they are ultimately forced to cede to the wishes of more powerful organizations, like governments, in various matters.
Namecoin is a process that allows any individual to use any available domain within its realm, without asking permission and without worrying about whether a government will seize their domain if they speak offensively regarding the interests of people who profit from a specific government.
'Reviving' seems like it should only need making .bit domains completely useable as .com .net .org etc. When I type a .bit address into my browser nothing happens. It appends 'www' automatically then says 'server not found'. It would be necessary to visit icann with a suitcase full of cash and some lawyers, and convince them to 'normalize' the .bit extension I guess. If it ever happens that .bit registered through Namecoin is accessible to everybody without having to load a blockchain or even know what Namecoin is, the way you can use a .org without knowing what icann is, Namecoin will be significant. It will change politics in many countries and more.
It'd benefit "bigly" and I mean it: A really major change. First, most users are not going to install an extension to be able to access .bit domains. It means, for now, people are not going to use .bit domains. Remember that domains are not "free" and namecoin domains are the closest to free as possible. So if browsers could access .bit domains, I'm pretty sure thousands or maybe hundreds of thousands of people will start using them.
Namecoin is one of the forgotten technologies that failed to latch onto bitcoin's success. A revival would need to be something really innovative but likely wouldn't come from ICANN. They might have hinted that they wouldn't interfere but such an org couldn't get involved with the promotion of a single crypto.
ICANN is an organization that decides whether you can use a particular domain, and of course they are ultimately forced to cede to the wishes of more powerful organizations, like governments, in various matters.
Namecoin is a process that allows any individual to use any available domain within its realm, without asking permission and without worrying about whether a government will seize their domain if they speak offensively regarding the interests of people who profit from a specific government.
'Reviving' seems like it should only need making .bit domains completely useable as .com .net .org etc. When I type a .bit address into my browser nothing happens. It appends 'www' automatically then says 'server not found'. It would be necessary to visit icann with a suitcase full of cash and some lawyers, and convince them to 'normalize' the .bit extension I guess. If it ever happens that .bit registered through Namecoin is accessible to everybody without having to load a blockchain or even know what Namecoin is, the way you can use a .org without knowing what icann is, Namecoin will be significant. It will change politics in many countries and more.
It'd benefit "bigly" and I mean it: A really major change. First, most users are not going to install an extension to be able to access .bit domains. It means, for now, people are not going to use .bit domains. Remember that domains are not "free" and namecoin domains are the closest to free as possible. So if browsers could access .bit domains, I'm pretty sure thousands or maybe hundreds of thousands of people will start using them.
Will be nice to have a place where we can get along with the dev. Something better than IRC... "Slack"!
We have to adapt, even tho we are anarchist. Take them gently, then take over them!
Having good values, being a civilized person, is not the same as being of a particular political flavor like anarchist.
It is not "anti government" to simply not want the government and other organizations to control speech.
You want to promote Namecoin, and you are welcome to, but how many people or whatever do you need? What is it that you cannot do on your own? If you explain that then it will be easier.
Namecoin is one of the forgotten technologies that failed to latch onto bitcoin's success. A revival would need to be something really innovative but likely wouldn't come from ICANN. They might have hinted that they wouldn't interfere but such an org couldn't get involved with the promotion of a single crypto.
... When I type a .bit address into my browser nothing happens. It appends 'www' automatically then says 'server not found'. ...
I agree. But if a person goes to a computer and types in a .bit address and nothing happens... ?
Most people are not interested in browser extensions or downloading blockchains etc.
There has to be a portal that seamlessly interconnects .bit with icann and other government controlled webs like tor.
We have to adapt, even tho we are anarchist. Take them gently, then take over them!
Namecoin is one of the forgotten technologies that failed to latch onto bitcoin's success. A revival would need to be something really innovative but likely wouldn't come from ICANN. They might have hinted that they wouldn't interfere but such an org couldn't get involved with the promotion of a single crypto.
ICANN is an organization that decides whether you can use a particular domain, and of course they are ultimately forced to cede to the wishes of more powerful organizations, like governments, in various matters.
Namecoin is a process that allows any individual to use any available domain within its realm, without asking permission and without worrying about whether a government will seize their domain if they speak offensively regarding the interests of people who profit from a specific government.
'Reviving' seems like it should only need making .bit domains completely useable as .com .net .org etc. When I type a .bit address into my browser nothing happens. It appends 'www' automatically then says 'server not found'. It would be necessary to visit icann with a suitcase full of cash and some lawyers, and convince them to 'normalize' the .bit extension I guess. If it ever happens that .bit registered through Namecoin is accessible to everybody without having to load a blockchain or even know what Namecoin is, the way you can use a .org without knowing what icann is, Namecoin will be significant. It will change politics in many countries and more.
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