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Topic: Namecoin was stillborn, I had to switch off life-support - page 2. (Read 46204 times)

legendary
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can't wait a fresh start of beloved NMC. BEST application other than BTC so far.

Intelligent and fast-responding team revitalize the innovative coin.

What do you mean by "a fresh start"? Huh

Did you mean a complete "reboot" of the coin's protocol and mining feature?
That is not necessary and not planned.
hero member
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BTC⇆⚡⇄BTC
can't wait a fresh start of beloved NMC. BEST application other than BTC so far.

Intelligent and fast-responding team revitalize the innovative coin.

What do you mean by "a fresh start"? Huh

Did you mean a complete "reboot" of the coin's protocol and mining feature?
legendary
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Merit: 1000
can't wait a fresh start of beloved NMC. BEST application other than BTC so far.

Intelligent and fast-responding team revitalize the innovative coin.
legendary
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And BTW, Bitmessage integration would be a GREAT boost to Namecoin's intrinsic value.

This is just one of the projects that are actually not just under development but already working - the current release of Bitmessage already includes it. Smiley
hero member
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BTC⇆⚡⇄BTC
Namecoin is alive and kicking. It has been around a bit longer
than any of the other altcoins and certainly is the most innovative coin
after Bitcoin.

[...]

Note that there are more possibilities in Namecoin than domain name
resolution as it is a general name/value storage system. The community
is only starting to experiment with new ideas like IDs, logins,
TLS/https, Bitmessage integration, file verification and so on.

I agree that Namecoin is the most innovative after XBT and has a great potential yet to be explored.

In order for that to happen, we just need more volunteers and core developers.

And BTW, Bitmessage integration would be a GREAT boost to Namecoin's intrinsic value.

Keep up the good work!
legendary
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it seems that we have a nice and vigilant team behind
legendary
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Franko is Freedom
nice to see a fix
legendary
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Well spoken Phelix. Looks like this incident has a silver lining and actually made the Namecoin community stronger and more resolved. Onwards and Forwards!

I agree here.  While reading the thread I collected ideas of what to contribute to this discussion at the end, but phelix already expressed all of that very nicely. Wink
hero member
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Mine Silent, Mine Deep
Well spoken Phelix. Looks like this incident has a silver lining and actually made the Namecoin community stronger and more resolved. Onwards and Forwards!
legendary
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Namecoin is alive and kicking. It has been around a bit longer
than any of the other altcoins and certainly is the most innovative coin
after Bitcoin. It was created as a separate chain to prevent bloat in
Bitcoin as per Satoshi's suggestion. Also merged mining was first
implemented in Namecoin. This means that though it is a separate chain
it improves Bitcoin security (and of course benefits).

Note that there are more possibilities in Namecoin than domain name
resolution as it is a general name/value storage system. The community
is only starting to experiment with new ideas like IDs, logins,
TLS/https, Bitmessage integration, file verification and so on.

In such a system it is necessary to have something of value: work or
coins with coins being superior. It would be interesting if the coins
were Bitcoins but it is not so easy to do and no one came up with such
an implementation so far. The NMC price floating freely has the
advantage that system fixed fees are subject to some external price
regulation.

If you have a problem that Namecoin is mostly a superset of Bitcoin's
features: better learn to deal with it, there is much more to come -
both in Namecoin and other chains.

Namecoin needs more active core developers. With Namecoin it is much
easier to make a difference than in Bitcoin so it is probably a fun
starting point for future Bitcoin developers, too.
If you don't want to go down the c++ rabbit hole there are also a lot of
possibilities to create peripheral software mostly in Java and Python
that could make an impact: Browser Plugins, split DNS resolvers on
various systems (Android), Electrum Bitcoin address ID integration, web
of trust, voting, bonds, decentralized facebook/twitter/reddit mashup....

You are welcome:
http://namecoin.info
http://dot-bit.org
http://dot-bit.org/forum/index.php = http://nf.bit


OP contacted the Namecoin devs through multiple channels and gave them
over a month to respond. They never responded nor gave any indication
that a fix was being worked on.
He only contacted devs long gone. There has been quite some activity on
the forum over the last couple of months.
Still glad he made the problem public and helps us now e.g. by editing
the OP and maybe the OP title? Wink


member
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So all the brains and noise in crypto and open source projects over looked such a disaster?
I'm not sure whether to congratulate you or offer my condolences to the dev team and the big players.

This is rather interesting, not only for crypto, but also for all open source projects; having a project "open source" and calling the myth of "open source is more secure" doesn't make the code more secure.. Having developers like yourself actually looking into the code and testing the hell out of every possibility  is what makes it secure.

Nice work, hope a fix, patch, rebirth or whatever you want to call it will be pushed out soon as such noise is in no way good to any cryptos including but not limited to Bitcoin  

I partly agree with you. The problem is that most open source software is poorly documented. Sparse documentation is what keeps the developers from actually inspecting the source... making it more secure becomes secondary in nature. This is one of the reasons I'm excited about the release of btcd (blog.conformal.com/btcd-not-your-moms-bitcoin-daemon). At least the source is readable and well structured. I'll not be surprised if majority of the developers start moving away from the Satoshi client to btcd once btcd reaches stability. I'm not saying that Satoshi client is unreadable. But it has a steep learning curve that deters new developers.

What is the point of open-sourcing software if you can't document it? Its like Shinichi Mochizuki (who was incidently thought to be Satoshi Nakamoto) having supposedly proved the ABC conjecture(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abc_conjecture) but nobody can understand it.

Interesting read: Paradox of Proof (http://projectwordsworth.com/the-paradox-of-the-proof/)
legendary
Activity: 1708
Merit: 1020
Quote from: phelix
Works like a charm so far. Just updated d/wav
Did you use snailbrain's new namecoin-qt build to reclaim d/wav?

http://explorer.dot-bit.org/tx/af84b86f549c1c484238b70d742789ac07d4e9295bd2e075895fd968ab00f53b

Hehe. Still testing Wink
member
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Quote from: phelix
Works like a charm so far. Just updated d/wav
Did you use snailbrain's new namecoin-qt build for regaining d/wav?

http://explorer.dot-bit.org/tx/af84b86f549c1c484238b70d742789ac07d4e9295bd2e075895fd968ab00f53b
legendary
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Merit: 1020

there are also some other bugs as pm'd by libcoin.. please wait before updating.. there will be an official announcement eventually/soon

also namecoin-qt is NOT the official repo

What is the official repo?

Find it here: http://namecoin.info
Wed
legendary
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there are also some other bugs as pm'd by libcoin.. please wait before updating.. there will be an official announcement eventually/soon

also namecoin-qt is NOT the official repo

What is the official repo?
hero member
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Crypto Somnium
RIP NMC  Sad
legendary
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Merit: 1020
Namecoin has always been my favorite alt-coin - it had a clear purpose, different from Bitcoin, offering a nice way to keep a de-central registry of key-value pairs.
You found a bug that can be patched. Kudos. If there were an active development team, you would have alerted them privately first I presume rather than stir a panic. I do hope some developers will take this warning to heart and fix the problem, even if a bounty is necessary. Because like the OP, Namecoin is also the favorite alt-coin of many others.

OP contacted the Namecoin devs through multiple channels and gave them over a month to respond.  They never responded nor gave any indication that a fix was being worked on.  Project was assumed abandoned.

some more contacts have been given to him.. Khal received messages, but he has been busy the last month or 2
hero member
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I'm not taking any chances.  I just made 20 BTC off selling mine.  Nice surprise when you haven't paid attention to something for a while.  I dropped the vircurex price pretty hard...lol  If anyone wants to get back in cheaper than btc-e, go there.

Time will tell if that was a mistake, but I think not.  Especially if the project was abandoned.
legendary
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Democracy is vulnerable to a 51% attack.
So it is dead or can it be salvaged?  Sorry, not technical here.
I think it can be salvaged. A particular block, well in the future, will have to be chosen. After that block, every name will have to be recomputed to determine its correct ownership under the new, correct, rules. At that time, all names will revert to their correct owners, and from then on, the exploit will be impossible. It's just going to take the Namecoin community to come together, agree on the new rules and block number, get the work done on time, and so on.
vip
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Namecoin has always been my favorite alt-coin - it had a clear purpose, different from Bitcoin, offering a nice way to keep a de-central registry of key-value pairs.
You found a bug that can be patched. Kudos. If there were an active development team, you would have alerted them privately first I presume rather than stir a panic. I do hope some developers will take this warning to heart and fix the problem, even if a bounty is necessary. Because like the OP, Namecoin is also the favorite alt-coin of many others.

OP contacted the Namecoin devs through multiple channels and gave them over a month to respond.  They never responded nor gave any indication that a fix was being worked on.  Project was assumed abandoned.
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