Why are you making up new means of taxation while the nature of crypto itself puts the whole concept of taxes under question? And free-money sounds like a profanation.
It's as if we are not being taxed enough when we are using bitcoins and there is no need for all the TAX Money when the countries are regulating the crypto currencies so that people will pay taxes just like everyone else. 
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in my opinion, 'Nature Money' is what people used to trade a lot of time ago in the first century in the world when people used goods to trade for other items they needed
Why are you making up new means of taxation while the nature of crypto itself puts the whole concept of taxes under question? And free-money sounds like a profanation.
Natural money is the solution to many modern problems!
Friends, we think that development of a decentralized and a digitalized economy is a modern challenge for many countries, since states lose exclusive control over monetary policy. Adaptation and compliance with the requirements of time is one of the tasks of progressive societies. The scientific and practical association Jus Naturale sees launching a self-regulating tax system based on the state crypto currency, which we call Natural Money, a way out for countries in this situation. The idea of Natural Money is a modern interpretation of the Silvio Gesell free-money idea. It is natural money in conjunction with online clearing systems like GEO that could solve many social and practical problems facing the state while ensuring society in free circulation of goods and services. Since modern scientific community is not ready to discuss this topic yet, we offer advanced crypto-community our proposals for discussion and criticism.
Read more about the idea of natural money: https://jusnaturale.com/en/ideas/natural-money/
Friends, we think that development of a decentralized and a digitalized economy is a modern challenge for many countries, since states lose exclusive control over monetary policy. Adaptation and compliance with the requirements of time is one of the tasks of progressive societies. The scientific and practical association Jus Naturale sees launching a self-regulating tax system based on the state crypto currency, which we call Natural Money, a way out for countries in this situation. The idea of Natural Money is a modern interpretation of the Silvio Gesell free-money idea. It is natural money in conjunction with online clearing systems like GEO that could solve many social and practical problems facing the state while ensuring society in free circulation of goods and services. Since modern scientific community is not ready to discuss this topic yet, we offer advanced crypto-community our proposals for discussion and criticism.
Read more about the idea of natural money: https://jusnaturale.com/en/ideas/natural-money/
The idea you have is difinitely true to life and it is also possibly happen. In my own I think it would be depend on the states on how it is going to be handle. If the country offers to use the cryptocurrency and entering the new world that would be great to know and surely it is easy and functioning well the community of the states. In our economy it is focusing the needs which lead to know the supply and demand through natural money either cryptocurrency.
What kind of self-regulating system of taxation are you talking about? Lol. Politicians couldn't keep their hands out of the budget. What they do and politics? Maybe you believe that they go into politics to make the country better? They will never give control over taxes and nothing to even speak on this subject.
For that reason I am sure most of them will do anything in their power to maintain the current system the world uses after all, it is the most convenient system for them to be corrupt. If there would be a self regulating system of taxation, they wouldn't be able to do what they usually do. It will be hard to convince them to switch with this self regulating system because like you said they aren't in it to make the country better but to give themselves power and money.What kind of self-regulating system of taxation are you talking about? Lol. Politicians couldn't keep their hands out of the budget. What they do and politics? Maybe you believe that they go into politics to make the country better? They will never give control over taxes and nothing to even speak on this subject.
For that reason I am sure most of them will do anything in their power to maintain the current system the world uses after all, it is the most convenient system for them to be corrupt. If there would be a self regulating system of taxation, they wouldn't be able to do what they usually do. It will be hard to convince them to switch with this self regulating system because like you said they aren't in it to make the country better but to give themselves power and money. What kind of self-regulating system of taxation are you talking about? Lol. Politicians couldn't keep their hands out of the budget. What they do and politics? Maybe you believe that they go into politics to make the country better? They will never give control over taxes and nothing to even speak on this subject.
You are absolutely right, but they can't declare their true intentions in public. Instead they need to declare idealistic doctrines, and then, in democratic societies - to implement something that will show their devotion to the declared course. Quiet so they surrender some power - by little steps.
On of my most beloved Frederick Douglass quotes: "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will"
So we need that demand, and we need it to be loud and clear to have chance to make authorities make things we want them to do.
states have proven time and time again how they manage to screw up money i'm skeptical that any system where the state has control wouldn't be subverted like always most economists or financiers would include "a store of value" in the definition of "money", but no fiat today is a store of value as its value is eroded by inflation until that is addressed, money isn't money anymore also, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon is a nutter
Generally speaking, governments are not good stewards of natural and human-made resources and that includes the national currency or any other type of currency created by the government. Since time immemorial, this has had been a big problem plaguing many states. People in power has the tendency to procure waste and could not deliver more value than what can be spent with. No wonder that economic tumult can be happening because of the built-up pressure (akin to a volcano about to erupt). This is the reason in fact why we have cryptocurrency as represented by Bitcoin and its underlying blockchain technology...to return the power to the people and regain back the trust always wasted by those in power and the whole of the bureaucracy.
What kind of self-regulating system of taxation are you talking about? Lol. Politicians couldn't keep their hands out of the budget. What they do and politics? Maybe you believe that they go into politics to make the country better? They will never give control over taxes and nothing to even speak on this subject.
states have proven time and time again how they manage to screw up money
i'm skeptical that any system where the state has control wouldn't be subverted like always
i'm skeptical that any system where the state has control wouldn't be subverted like always
the idea of natural money as cryptocurrency exactly fits to counter aforementioned negative aspects – it takes control of money from state and authorities and greatly reduces possibility of manipulations by making fiscal system not a process, which includes human factor, but an independent mechanism.
For me 'Natural Money' was what people used to trade much time ago on the first ages of the world when people used items to trade for another items they needed. For an example: I produce wood, you produce stone, so you give me stone and I give you wood as we need both materials, but we can't produce all of them at same time... Any other kind of natural money seems too artificial for me... 
That's your natural money, you live in stone ages. stop lol. start, "natural money" is not referring to something like wood for stone, it's not about natural gas, full stop lol. this is yet another shit coin trying to take Bitcoin's place. natural money for me is Bitcoin, truly decentralized. you don't get another crypto currency like it.I'm kidding, they say Crypto-Currency is natural money, but they follow a theory that has nothing about "Natural", trying to control other people's heritages and this kind of stuff that it's common in socialist countries. Anyway, even Crypto-Currency isn't natural for me, it's a free world, but not a "natural" one, it's just a tactic to call something the opposite it is to bring more adepts and make people accept it.
you unfortunately did not quite understand the idea. The name of the natural has developed historically and this is not the main thing (call it whatever you like). in this concept, it is important to divide the two mutually exclusive functions of money, modern technologies only help build a self-regulating tax system for the free movement of goods and services
What are the two mutual functions of the money?
https://jusnaturale.com/en/ideas/natural-money/ in the third picture there are mutually exlusive function of money or contradiction
Why to build a self-regulating tax system if it's working very well without anyone? Sorry, but for me it's just an excuse to start controlling other's money in name of social justice. People must have the free will to choose saving or spending the money and if there is someone able to pay interest over savings, there isn't any problem. As I understood, this theory would force people to spend money instead of saving it to make the market in constantly circulation, no?
For me 'Natural Money' was what people used to trade much time ago on the first ages of the world when people used items to trade for another items they needed. For an example: I produce wood, you produce stone, so you give me stone and I give you wood as we need both materials, but we can't produce all of them at same time... Any other kind of natural money seems too artificial for me...
That's your natural money, you live in stone ages. stop lol. start, "natural money" is not referring to something like wood for stone, it's not about natural gas, full stop lol. this is yet another shit coin trying to take Bitcoin's place. natural money for me is Bitcoin, truly decentralized. you don't get another crypto currency like it.I'm kidding, they say Crypto-Currency is natural money, but they follow a theory that has nothing about "Natural", trying to control other people's heritages and this kind of stuff that it's common in socialist countries. Anyway, even Crypto-Currency isn't natural for me, it's a free world, but not a "natural" one, it's just a tactic to call something the opposite it is to bring more adepts and make people accept it.
you unfortunately did not quite understand the idea. The name of the natural has developed historically and this is not the main thing (call it whatever you like). in this concept, it is important to divide the two mutually exclusive functions of money, modern technologies only help build a self-regulating tax system for the free movement of goods and services
What are the two mutual functions of the money?
Why to build a self-regulating tax system if it's working very well without anyone? Sorry, but for me it's just an excuse to start controlling other's money in name of social justice. People must have the free will to choose saving or spending the money and if there is someone able to pay interest over savings, there isn't any problem. As I understood, this theory would force people to spend money instead of saving it to make the market in constantly circulation, no?
Some cryptocurrencies also have the mechanisms of inflation. Bitcoin has limitations in the number and this is to some extent reduces the risk of inflation. But it kompensiruet volatility of bitcoin. It turns out that the real money does not exist. Explicit or hidden inflation is inherent in all money. Fiat is not to blame for the fact that they are rule incompetent politicians.
For me 'Natural Money' was what people used to trade much time ago on the first ages of the world when people used items to trade for another items they needed. For an example: I produce wood, you produce stone, so you give me stone and I give you wood as we need both materials, but we can't produce all of them at same time... Any other kind of natural money seems too artificial for me...
That's your natural money, you live in stone ages. stop lol. start, "natural money" is not referring to something like wood for stone, it's not about natural gas, full stop lol. this is yet another shit coin trying to take Bitcoin's place. natural money for me is Bitcoin, truly decentralized. you don't get another crypto currency like it.I'm kidding, they say Crypto-Currency is natural money, but they follow a theory that has nothing about "Natural", trying to control other people's heritages and this kind of stuff that it's common in socialist countries. Anyway, even Crypto-Currency isn't natural for me, it's a free world, but not a "natural" one, it's just a tactic to call something the opposite it is to bring more adepts and make people accept it.
you unfortunately did not quite understand the idea. The name of the natural has developed historically and this is not the main thing (call it whatever you like). in this concept, it is important to divide the two mutually exclusive functions of money, modern technologies only help build a self-regulating tax system for the free movement of goods and services
Natural money is the solution to many modern problems!
Friends, we think that development of a decentralized and a digitalized economy is a modern challenge for many countries, since states lose exclusive control over monetary policy. Adaptation and compliance with the requirements of time is one of the tasks of progressive societies. The scientific and practical association Jus Naturale sees launching a self-regulating tax system based on the state crypto currency, which we call Natural Money, a way out for countries in this situation. The idea of Natural Money is a modern interpretation of the Silvio Gesell free-money idea. It is natural money in conjunction with online clearing systems like GEO that could solve many social and practical problems facing the state while ensuring society in free circulation of goods and services. Since modern scientific community is not ready to discuss this topic yet, we offer advanced crypto-community our proposals for discussion and criticism.
Read more about the idea of natural money: https://jusnaturale.com/en/ideas/natural-money/
Friends, we think that development of a decentralized and a digitalized economy is a modern challenge for many countries, since states lose exclusive control over monetary policy. Adaptation and compliance with the requirements of time is one of the tasks of progressive societies. The scientific and practical association Jus Naturale sees launching a self-regulating tax system based on the state crypto currency, which we call Natural Money, a way out for countries in this situation. The idea of Natural Money is a modern interpretation of the Silvio Gesell free-money idea. It is natural money in conjunction with online clearing systems like GEO that could solve many social and practical problems facing the state while ensuring society in free circulation of goods and services. Since modern scientific community is not ready to discuss this topic yet, we offer advanced crypto-community our proposals for discussion and criticism.
Read more about the idea of natural money: https://jusnaturale.com/en/ideas/natural-money/
The idea is interesting, but it's highly depends on ability and desire of a state to cooperate.
states have proven time and time again how they manage to screw up money
i'm skeptical that any system where the state has control wouldn't be subverted like always
most economists or financiers would include "a store of value" in the definition of "money", but no fiat today is a store of value as its value is eroded by inflation
until that is addressed, money isn't money anymore
also, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon is a nutter
i'm skeptical that any system where the state has control wouldn't be subverted like always
most economists or financiers would include "a store of value" in the definition of "money", but no fiat today is a store of value as its value is eroded by inflation
until that is addressed, money isn't money anymore
also, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon is a nutter
For me 'Natural Money' was what people used to trade much time ago on the first ages of the world when people used items to trade for another items they needed. For an example: I produce wood, you produce stone, so you give me stone and I give you wood as we need both materials, but we can't produce all of them at same time... Any other kind of natural money seems too artificial for me...
That's your natural money, you live in stone ages. stop lol. start, "natural money" is not referring to something like wood for stone, it's not about natural gas, full stop lol. this is yet another shit coin trying to take Bitcoin's place. natural money for me is Bitcoin, truly decentralized. you don't get another crypto currency like it.I'm kidding, they say Crypto-Currency is natural money, but they follow a theory that has nothing about "Natural", trying to control other people's heritages and this kind of stuff that it's common in socialist countries. Anyway, even Crypto-Currency isn't natural for me, it's a free world, but not a "natural" one, it's just a tactic to call something the opposite it is to bring more adepts and make people accept it.
Natural money is the solution to many modern problems!
Friends, we think that development of a decentralized and a digitalized economy is a modern challenge for many countries, since states lose exclusive control over monetary policy. Adaptation and compliance with the requirements of time is one of the tasks of progressive societies. The scientific and practical association Jus Naturale sees launching a self-regulating tax system based on the state crypto currency, which we call Natural Money, a way out for countries in this situation. The idea of Natural Money is a modern interpretation of the Silvio Gesell free-money idea. It is natural money in conjunction with online clearing systems like GEO that could solve many social and practical problems facing the state while ensuring society in free circulation of goods and services. Since modern scientific community is not ready to discuss this topic yet, we offer advanced crypto-community our proposals for discussion and criticism.
Read more about the idea of natural money: https://jusnaturale.com/en/ideas/natural-money/
Friends, we think that development of a decentralized and a digitalized economy is a modern challenge for many countries, since states lose exclusive control over monetary policy. Adaptation and compliance with the requirements of time is one of the tasks of progressive societies. The scientific and practical association Jus Naturale sees launching a self-regulating tax system based on the state crypto currency, which we call Natural Money, a way out for countries in this situation. The idea of Natural Money is a modern interpretation of the Silvio Gesell free-money idea. It is natural money in conjunction with online clearing systems like GEO that could solve many social and practical problems facing the state while ensuring society in free circulation of goods and services. Since modern scientific community is not ready to discuss this topic yet, we offer advanced crypto-community our proposals for discussion and criticism.
Read more about the idea of natural money: https://jusnaturale.com/en/ideas/natural-money/
It is cery difficult for a country to sureender its hold on the conomy by adopting this as this will sirely impunge a lot of their holdings or their sway over corporations due to regulations on currencies. IF This is implemented I can see the point but the application is another thing to discuss
Natural money is the solution to many modern problems!
Friends, we think that development of a decentralized and a digitalized economy is a modern challenge for many countries, since states lose exclusive control over monetary policy. Adaptation and compliance with the requirements of time is one of the tasks of progressive societies. The scientific and practical association Jus Naturale sees launching a self-regulating tax system based on the state crypto currency, which we call Natural Money, a way out for countries in this situation. The idea of Natural Money is a modern interpretation of the Silvio Gesell free-money idea. It is natural money in conjunction with online clearing systems like GEO that could solve many social and practical problems facing the state while ensuring society in free circulation of goods and services. Since modern scientific community is not ready to discuss this topic yet, we offer advanced crypto-community our proposals for discussion and criticism.
Read more about the idea of natural money: https://jusnaturale.com/en/ideas/natural-money/
Friends, we think that development of a decentralized and a digitalized economy is a modern challenge for many countries, since states lose exclusive control over monetary policy. Adaptation and compliance with the requirements of time is one of the tasks of progressive societies. The scientific and practical association Jus Naturale sees launching a self-regulating tax system based on the state crypto currency, which we call Natural Money, a way out for countries in this situation. The idea of Natural Money is a modern interpretation of the Silvio Gesell free-money idea. It is natural money in conjunction with online clearing systems like GEO that could solve many social and practical problems facing the state while ensuring society in free circulation of goods and services. Since modern scientific community is not ready to discuss this topic yet, we offer advanced crypto-community our proposals for discussion and criticism.
Read more about the idea of natural money: https://jusnaturale.com/en/ideas/natural-money/
The idea is interesting, but it's highly depends on ability and desire of a state to cooperate.
in modern times now most people use modern way. because modern times have become the needs of society, can not be separated among the community. if to offer crypto-community sophisticated proposals for discussion and criticism. it's up to the community also want to be invited to cooperation or not, so what our friends say is true jean.
I do not believe that such a project may be of interest to people. Any cooperation with public authorities leads to the fact that this currency is no different from Fiat. Governments always want to spend more money and therefore steal money from citizens through the mechanism of inflation. You want the same with cryptocurrency? Lol. My opinion is the people themselves politicians themselves. Until our interests are not the same, it makes no sense to cooperate.
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