Topic: need a solution for the bad trust points - page 2. (Read 818 times)

You can't. You need to start a new account to get a clean history.

I don't know how long you are in this forum but I can give you several specific names which defaulted loan and it was not a myth that their only intention was to build the account to default loan. theyoungmillionaire is one of many examples.

A user that wants to play his games would do it no matter how much time it takes.. all they gotta do is follow due process. I've never felt weird as compared to when I read about users that ruined their reputations for being selfish - the likes of yogg and this userthat was tagged for defaulting a loan. Do you really think they weren't aware of the consequences? As already trusted forum users, why weren't they able to atleast have a dialogue with the lender as to what may have happened ?
If you think they can't stay up for like 2 years just to get away with 1 grand, then you should also have a rethink about account farmers.

This isn't as easy as you say it and it takes a very long time to earn the status of an "established" user on bitcointalk or to achieve some of the things you mentioned. I get it that we have seen a lot of loan defaulters in the forum, but lenders have also learnt from it; and someone who comes into the forum with the intention of doing something like this would prolly never succeed.

Or he will create an account, make friends with members, earn merit point, make a position in the DT system. Will establish himself as a dedicated forum member. Then suddenly he will start asking for loans. He will start from small amounts. Slowly he will increase the stake. Once it will be enough to run away, he will simply scam. Haven't we seen it many times?


I did these foolish things in some occasions too. But some fools will never learn because they will need to show that they are actively joining the feedback system.

The negative feedback on your profile is not there because you made a mistake, they are there to warn others about what kind of person you are. Only an idiot or a troll can ask for a no-collateral loan worth 30btc and in the end, blame legendary members for not understanding the nonsense of a newbie.
You did something stupid thinking that someone would give you 30BTC for free, now you don't have to carry a sign above your head with the inscription "idiot".

I understand you very well. If someone can believe he will get 1.3BTC loan here as a newbie, they can also believe they can pay 1.3BTC to remove their tag. 

Dude, this will only make things worse .. You're completely unaware of how everyone regard newbies looking for a helping hand all of a sudden, with no valid collateral. I can agree that you're actually jobbing/ doing regular business for survival; can you - in your right sense lend out $5000 to someone that speaks to you over the phone for the first time - someone you don't even know how they got your contact? That's a perfect analogy to what happened to you in here....but you know what the difference is? That you can't just be set free - they gotta warn others about you, I mean just Incase...
You dragged more suspicions to yourself by creating those threads/submitting those applications multiple times until people in here thought it were a spam.
So you think anyone would agree to get a collateral that's 3 or 4 times lesser than what they're lending out? How does the collateral thing even work?

The moment he received the first of his tags he must have known that his account could not be used for asking for loans or for joining signature campaigns yet he still posts using it when it serves no purpose. I am fairly certain the OP is not as gullible as he might be giving the impression and I would not be surprised if he already has other accounts.

Finally true reply , thank you so much

Explained right above your post.

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Now I am honestly confused.

On previous post, I can get the hint of satiric response, though I prefer to take it literally due to the possibility that if we amuse the idea to an OP that seemingly very gullible, not clarified and straightened, it poses a risk to cast a wrong impression to the DT system, that he'll led to think that DT and their feedback can be exchanged for some amount of fund; not necessarily 1.3BTC, if OP took this idea and believe it's true, he'll probably "negotiate" a lower number, or leave immediately with an assumption that DT can really be bought. In other word: read the room before you throw the sarcastic retort, mull over how possible is it for gullibles to take your word literally.

And here you're saying that you think for it a for a few times and insist that though it's originally intended to be a sarcastic retort, it still has a point. Thus, you're now being sincere with the suggestion, because with 4 negative feedback, there is no other way for OP [due to the three points you raised, though I'd like to argue that point number 3 is actually still a possible path to take] to get it removed other than paying?

Your words, and if you argue and try to get away with it by saying that you're still being sarcastic, maybe because the implication of what you suggested finally dawned to you, the wording you made, "It's a sarcasm, but after I think it for few times, actually it still has a point" points to a possibility that you believe the idea you offered actually have a merit, further stressed with the closing words that you ask "how", how can OP exactly get his negative feedback removed, other than with the method you suggested.

This is where I circled back to the part where point number 3 is still a possible path. If OP contributes to the forum, it doesn't close to a possibility that the negative feedback will eventually be removed as people begin to trust him. Catching scammers or abusers hint that his post will be made on scam accusations board, the one that runs on evidences. If he can provide undeniable evidence, would you think readers and the DT judge that he isn't genuine?

Another one, as suggested by other, which if I may be honest, I am not really favoring it: create a whole new account. Start fresh, his account basically has nothing to lose, it can be disposed and he can create a new one with more understanding of what he should and should not say, what's the acceptable terms in lending section, and what's frowned by the forum. It's certainly way better than suggesting to pay the DT, an idea that come from your sarcasm and you find rather valid after thinking about it for a few times.

I'll suggest you to drop this topic before you go further down the rabbit hole.

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It came to my mind, as I previously stated, but I can't help but also consider the possible scenario that occur due to the post, which also explained on previous post. And I choose to take the risk of an err, giving it a chance to be clarified, rather than let OP believe DT can be bought.

In retrospect, though, I think the best approach will be to write, "OP, in case you missed it, that suggestion is a sarcasm."

You cannot remove feedbacks on your account, it is the user who put the feedback that can remove it. But in your case, there's no reason why those who left you negative feedbacks would remove it. You'll have to move on that way, and if you ever make a "name" for yourself in the forum (which i doubt), there might be a chance it could be removed or reversed to neutral in the future.

Well that will not happen overnight.

You now have plenty of time to think over what you mistook and how you should have posted your loan application. Be active on this forum and show interest in different sections to learn about bitcoin. As per the last posts, in the last few months, you have not been that active - do you have anything to say?

The only person who can remove a trust rating is the person who gave it to you, good behavior on the forum for a period of time may lead them to consider changing the tag to a neutral one. This varies from each DT member.

Good luck on that, you are going to need it.

LOL.
I'm surprised you didn't pick the sarcasm behind the post. It was same 1.3 BTC Op was requesting for a loan that Helena Yu told him to give the DTs that left him the tag

He very cleverly tried to deflect from his loan request by stating he was testing to see the reaction to his 30 BTC loan request but that seems to be a complete fabrication to me. If there was ever even the slightest chance he was going to get any of the tags removed he had to invent a story for justification and he chose to claim he did not want the money or expect it but just wanted to test hiow members reacted.

True, nobody will lend anything to those types of accounts but it still does not stop them trying.

It's a sarcasm, but after I think it for few times, actually it still has a point.

What do you think for @OP who received 4 negative feedback can convince them to withdraw their feedback? obviously proving if he's not a scammer and want to change to be better person, but:

1. He's high unlikely able to build reputation since many users refrain to meriting red tagged user.
2. Offering service, escrow or become campaign manager, no one gonna hire/work with red tagged user.
3. Showing good act for catching scammer or abuser, many users will judge him isn't genuine.

Now, how?

But the truth is that non of those guys will remove the tag because it is appropriate. I am not sure what your intention was, because scammers will request for a non collateral loan of $50 and if given, they will default, create another account and repeat the process.

In your case you requested for 30BTC, later 1.3BTC and again 0.9BTC. This means you had no fixed target, you were just varying the amount to be able to get an unsuspecting victim.

Someone advised you to make another account. It will be needless if your only intention is to get a loan from this forum.
But then, if you actually want to get a loan, create a new account, build it up to atleast a full member rank, join a good campaign that can pay you upto $40 a week, then you can request for $100 loan.

I didn't expect a normal reply from you guys either , I asked for a loan it was stupid alright !! move on

how I can remove them and never do that mistake again ?!

Well yes, I can sniff a hint of sarcasm, but I think that comment is still out of place, even under the defense of sarcasm. Giving sarcastic retort to a troll is somewhat risk free, worst case scenario will be that troll uses that sarcasm against us. Being sarcastic to someone clueless [of which OP seems to be] with such suggestion, though, IMO, will only bring problem as it opens to an interpretation to the gullibles that feedback can be bought.

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The solution are hinted here and there, if you bother to read carefully. To summarize: if you want a quick "trust" in the sense that people will take your loan request seriously, do a collateral loan. With each progression, as you prove yourself as a good loaner, positive feedback will come [eventually]. If you want to go with a longer path that doesn't involve a loan activity, build trust and establish your name by contributing to the forum. You'll still need to put a collateral when you eventually apply for a loan in the future, but with contribution and showing that you're someone that can be trusted, those current negative rating can possibly retracted by each of the poster as time goes.

Those things said, I honestly don't think there is much you can do. Some problem simply doesn't have a solution and outcome that we desired, like yours. Asking for 30 BTC loan right from the start is... fatal.

Nobody's gonna lend even $15 to a new account...