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legendary
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May 25, 2012, 03:15:09 PM
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Any way of comparing the Watt difference between idle and mining on just the GPU part of the APU? I wonder how efficient that is...

Here are your results:
IDLE 62W
LOAD 90W
Average Mh/s 64.8 (10min)

Reading taken at the wall. Only one computer connected to the power meter (no monitor, no other devices) with no PCI Express cards.

SYSTEM CONFIGURATION
MB:      ASUS F1A75V-PRO
CPU:      AMD-A8 3850
RAM:      2x CORSAIR VENGEANCE PC3-15000 (CMZ8GX3M2A1866C9B)
PSU:      CORSAIR TX750W
HHDs:   3x various brands
DVD-RW:   2x Samsung
FANs:      3x 120x120mm

I hope this info is complete and helpful Smiley
Thanks so much for your time in figuring this out!

So that's about 28W for 65MH/s for 2.3MH/W. That's not as bad as I thought it would be.
sr. member
Activity: 250
Merit: 250
Any way of comparing the Watt difference between idle and mining on just the GPU part of the APU? I wonder how efficient that is...

Here are your results:
IDLE 62W
LOAD 90W
Average Mh/s 64.8 (10min)

Reading taken at the wall. Only one computer connected to the power meter (no monitor, no other devices) with no PCI Express cards.

SYSTEM CONFIGURATION
MB:      ASUS F1A75V-PRO
CPU:      AMD-A8 3850
RAM:      2x CORSAIR VENGEANCE PC3-15000 (CMZ8GX3M2A1866C9B)
PSU:      CORSAIR TX750W
HHDs:   3x various brands
DVD-RW:   2x Samsung
FANs:      3x 120x120mm

I hope this info is complete and helpful Smiley
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roundhouseminer
Nice stuff.
Do you run another AMD/ATI Card simultaneous with that APU?

Yes, one 5850 and one 5870, all three of them hashing happily with cgminer v2.4.1 under Win7 64


Nice Info, thx, but i think i wait the new A10 Apu, as a option for a future second system.
sr. member
Activity: 250
Merit: 250
Nice stuff.
Do you run another AMD/ATI Card simultaneous with that APU?

Yes, one 5850 and one 5870, all three of them hashing happily with cgminer v2.4.1 under Win7 64

Any way of comparing the Watt difference between idle and mining on just the GPU part of the APU? I wonder how efficient that is...

I suppose I could take some readings (at the wall), this weekend, removing the other cards first....
legendary
Activity: 952
Merit: 1000
About motherboard and CPU...

I got an AMD based motherboad with an AMD A8 3850 and pumping an additional ~60Mh/s from its APU...

Any way of comparing the Watt difference between idle and mining on just the GPU part of the APU? I wonder how efficient that is...
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roundhouseminer
About motherboard and CPU...

I got an AMD based motherboad with an AMD A8 3850 and pumping an additional ~60Mh/s from its APU...
Nice stuff.
Do you run another AMD/ATI Card simultaneous with that APU?
sr. member
Activity: 250
Merit: 250
About motherboard and CPU...

I got an AMD based motherboad with an AMD A8 3850 and pumping an additional ~60Mh/s from its APU...
legendary
Activity: 1330
Merit: 1026
Mining since 2010 & Hosting since 2012
That is not bad actually for a 1Kw.   I am using a PC Power & Cooling 80 Silver for the system I am working on as we speak.
legendary
Activity: 952
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817159116

$80 cheaper than that SeaSonic, and works great. Modular, with enough PCI connections for 3 cards. I do trust Coolmax, and it's run @60% for the past 6 months with no issues.
legendary
Activity: 1820
Merit: 1000
^^^ OK, but if that case doesn't work out, then buy an open air case from member Spotswood

http://richchomiczewski.wordpress.com/home/trays/

Those are sweet frames for mining, and the price really is pretty reasonable for what you are getting (and how much work it would take to build your own).

legendary
Activity: 1330
Merit: 1026
Mining since 2010 & Hosting since 2012

what about the Sapphire 7970?   I went with those because the fans looked better than other models in the same price range. 


That's a good choice. Traditionally Sapphire has been one of the best, if not the best, brand for mining. For the 5800 series, at least, Sapphire is my go-to brand, and I'm wary of anything else. And I'm not aware of any reason to think different for the 7970s. I noticed that the user reviews for the Diamond 7970 are very good, which is a bit surprising b/c Diamond is usually considered one of the crappier brands. But the XFX 7970 (especially the black edition) is a good choice, and one that a lot of miners seem to be going with. Another advantage of the Sapphires you went with is they don't have the blower-style fans, so they will quieter. But on the other hand they will be harder to keep cool in a case since they will exhaust more hot air into the case. But IMO if you are serious about mining, you should go with open air DIY case, and for that your choice will be quiet and will probably cool better as well. If you don't want to build your own open air case, I think there are still people selling good ones on the forum. They may be more than you'd like to pay, but I think it is just a waste to go with a traditional case, unless you are in a situation where you absolutely need to keep things neat and covered up. And it will be very difficult to get more than 3 cards in a traditional case while keeping everything cool. I got a traditional case for my first build, and that was the biggest regret I had - that case now sits in a corner collecting dust.

Sweet.   I thought it looked good, but I didn't think about the blower style, I might of gone the other way if I did it again.   

Case:  Have you seen this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811353001 

Any thoughts on using those?

That a good price for a test bench, but it doesn't leave you with any way  to raise the GPUs above the mobo for use with risers. Personally, I would go with something much cheaper like this

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.375543

at least until you have time to build your own or find someone who can sell/build one for you. Ugly, but effective, and makes it very easy to switch cards around if you need to. One thing you would want to add to that "design" is some stiff wire or clips running between the cards to keep them from toppling against each other. Also get some mobo standoffs so the mobo rests up off the ground. With those additions, this is actually a very workable setup. Yeah, I know, it seems crazy after you've got all this other sweet hardware to have it resting on such a ghetto framework, but it works fine, and is a good solution until you can find something more permanent. Keep in mind that your initial experimentation with your system may influence your ideas for what kind of open air case you really want, so there's no harm in going with something cheap and flexible initially. Mining is definitely one of those things where you experiment and learn as you go along, and it is wise not to invest too much money in things you think you need before you have even mined your first share. The case I spent $80 sitting in the corner is a testament to that. Initially I thought it was too "ugly" to have my hardware resting on some ghetto rack, but then I discovered that it was much uglier seeing my cards overheat in the case, lol.

I need some sort of solution to keep them neat and clean.   I went with a basic Thermatake case I am going to add fans too and the one it comes with seem to be positioned correctly.  $50 and totally screwless.


legendary
Activity: 1820
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what about the Sapphire 7970?   I went with those because the fans looked better than other models in the same price range. 


That's a good choice. Traditionally Sapphire has been one of the best, if not the best, brand for mining. For the 5800 series, at least, Sapphire is my go-to brand, and I'm wary of anything else. And I'm not aware of any reason to think different for the 7970s. I noticed that the user reviews for the Diamond 7970 are very good, which is a bit surprising b/c Diamond is usually considered one of the crappier brands. But the XFX 7970 (especially the black edition) is a good choice, and one that a lot of miners seem to be going with. Another advantage of the Sapphires you went with is they don't have the blower-style fans, so they will quieter. But on the other hand they will be harder to keep cool in a case since they will exhaust more hot air into the case. But IMO if you are serious about mining, you should go with open air DIY case, and for that your choice will be quiet and will probably cool better as well. If you don't want to build your own open air case, I think there are still people selling good ones on the forum. They may be more than you'd like to pay, but I think it is just a waste to go with a traditional case, unless you are in a situation where you absolutely need to keep things neat and covered up. And it will be very difficult to get more than 3 cards in a traditional case while keeping everything cool. I got a traditional case for my first build, and that was the biggest regret I had - that case now sits in a corner collecting dust.

Sweet.   I thought it looked good, but I didn't think about the blower style, I might of gone the other way if I did it again.   

Case:  Have you seen this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811353001 

Any thoughts on using those?

That a good price for a test bench, but it doesn't leave you with any way  to raise the GPUs above the mobo for use with risers. Personally, I would go with something much cheaper like this

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.375543

at least until you have time to build your own or find someone who can sell/build one for you. Ugly, but effective, and makes it very easy to switch cards around if you need to. One thing you would want to add to that "design" is some stiff wire or clips running between the cards to keep them from toppling against each other. Also get some mobo standoffs so the mobo rests up off the ground. With those additions, this is actually a very workable setup. Yeah, I know, it seems crazy after you've got all this other sweet hardware to have it resting on such a ghetto framework, but it works fine, and is a good solution until you can find something more permanent. Keep in mind that your initial experimentation with your system may influence your ideas for what kind of open air case you really want, so there's no harm in going with something cheap and flexible initially. Mining is definitely one of those things where you experiment and learn as you go along, and it is wise not to invest too much money in things you think you need before you have even mined your first share. The case I spent $80 sitting in the corner is a testament to that. Initially I thought it was too "ugly" to have my hardware resting on some ghetto rack, but then I discovered that it was much uglier seeing my cards overheat in the case, lol.
legendary
Activity: 1330
Merit: 1026
Mining since 2010 & Hosting since 2012

what about the Sapphire 7970?   I went with those because the fans looked better than other models in the same price range. 


That's a good choice. Traditionally Sapphire has been one of the best, if not the best, brand for mining. For the 5800 series, at least, Sapphire is my go-to brand, and I'm wary of anything else. And I'm not aware of any reason to think different for the 7970s. I noticed that the user reviews for the Diamond 7970 are very good, which is a bit surprising b/c Diamond is usually considered one of the crappier brands. But the XFX 7970 (especially the black edition) is a good choice, and one that a lot of miners seem to be going with. Another advantage of the Sapphires you went with is they don't have the blower-style fans, so they will quieter. But on the other hand they will be harder to keep cool in a case since they will exhaust more hot air into the case. But IMO if you are serious about mining, you should go with open air DIY case, and for that your choice will be quiet and will probably cool better as well. If you don't want to build your own open air case, I think there are still people selling good ones on the forum. They may be more than you'd like to pay, but I think it is just a waste to go with a traditional case, unless you are in a situation where you absolutely need to keep things neat and covered up. And it will be very difficult to get more than 3 cards in a traditional case while keeping everything cool. I got a traditional case for my first build, and that was the biggest regret I had - that case now sits in a corner collecting dust.

Sweet.   I thought it looked good, but I didn't think about the blower style, I might of gone the other way if I did it again.   

Case:  Have you seen this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811353001 

Any thoughts on using those?
legendary
Activity: 1820
Merit: 1000

what about the Sapphire 7970?   I went with those because the fans looked better than other models in the same price range. 


That's a good choice. Traditionally Sapphire has been one of the best, if not the best, brand for mining. For the 5800 series, at least, Sapphire is my go-to brand, and I'm wary of anything else. And I'm not aware of any reason to think different for the 7970s. I noticed that the user reviews for the Diamond 7970 are very good, which is a bit surprising b/c Diamond is usually considered one of the crappier brands. But the XFX 7970 (especially the black edition) is a good choice, and one that a lot of miners seem to be going with. Another advantage of the Sapphires you went with is they don't have the blower-style fans, so they will quieter. But on the other hand they will be harder to keep cool in a case since they will exhaust more hot air into the case. But IMO if you are serious about mining, you should go with open air DIY case, and for that your choice will be quiet and will probably cool better as well. If you don't want to build your own open air case, I think there are still people selling good ones on the forum. They may be more than you'd like to pay, but I think it is just a waste to go with a traditional case, unless you are in a situation where you absolutely need to keep things neat and covered up. And it will be very difficult to get more than 3 cards in a traditional case while keeping everything cool. I got a traditional case for my first build, and that was the biggest regret I had - that case now sits in a corner collecting dust.
legendary
Activity: 1330
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Mining since 2010 & Hosting since 2012


Question:  What post on here or somewhere has a good guide on how to under volt your card, hopefully the 7970.  I will be using windows 7 32bit and SDK 2.6.   I have read about using Catalyst or MSI afterburner to undervolt?   Some people talk about just editing the CGminer config file.   I would like to understand the purpose of undervolting beyond power savings (unless that is it) and what the correlation between the GPU Clock, GPU Mem Clock and the voltage is.  Someone mentioned getting a card down to 130 watts each, how do I figure this math out?    As Ludacris said, I want to know "how low can you go"?   


In the the thread I mentioned above, the OP is using MSI Afterburner with overclocking mode 2 (and nothing fancy like bios flashing). The main advantage of undervolting is efficiency in terms of Mhs/watt, but you also get the benefit that the cards run cool and quiet. Power consumption goes up exponentially as you increase voltage, but hash rate does not, so you get a big gain in efficiency by undervolting. Mining is very light on memory, so you can also increase efficiency by lowering the memory clock without throttling the hash rate. How low you can go is partly a matter of experimentation - some cards undervolt (and underclock memory) better than others. My Sapphire 5850s are perfectly happy all the way down to 150 memory, but I have an XFX 5850 that freezes below 425 or so. But this doesn't mean that all Sapphires underclock better than all XFXs. 7970s are very efficient, but there will be variation depending on manufacturer and model. The XFX Black Edition, for example, will be more efficient than the standard edition. Basically, when you undervolt, you are still trying to clock the core as high as you can at the given voltage, so cards that overclock better at stock voltage will generally also overclock better at lower voltage and be a bit more efficient. GPUs are also more efficient at lower temps. In the thread I mentioned above the OP reports getting down to 109w per card (@550 mh/s) with water cooling.     

What about the Sapphire 7970?   I went with those because the fans looked better than other models in the same price range. 
legendary
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Question:  What post on here or somewhere has a good guide on how to under volt your card, hopefully the 7970.  I will be using windows 7 32bit and SDK 2.6.   I have read about using Catalyst or MSI afterburner to undervolt?   Some people talk about just editing the CGminer config file.   I would like to understand the purpose of undervolting beyond power savings (unless that is it) and what the correlation between the GPU Clock, GPU Mem Clock and the voltage is.  Someone mentioned getting a card down to 130 watts each, how do I figure this math out?    As Ludacris said, I want to know "how low can you go"?   


In the the thread I mentioned above, the OP is using MSI Afterburner with overclocking mode 2 (and nothing fancy like bios flashing). The main advantage of undervolting is efficiency in terms of Mhs/watt, but you also get the benefit that the cards run cool and quiet. Power consumption goes up exponentially as you increase voltage, but hash rate does not, so you get a big gain in efficiency by undervolting. Mining is very light on memory, so you can also increase efficiency by lowering the memory clock without throttling the hash rate. How low you can go is partly a matter of experimentation - some cards undervolt (and underclock memory) better than others. My Sapphire 5850s are perfectly happy all the way down to 150 memory, but I have an XFX 5850 that freezes below 425 or so. But this doesn't mean that all Sapphires underclock better than all XFXs. 7970s are very efficient, but there will be variation depending on manufacturer and model. The XFX Black Edition, for example, will be more efficient than the standard edition. Basically, when you undervolt, you are still trying to clock the core as high as you can at the given voltage, so cards that overclock better at stock voltage will generally also overclock better at lower voltage and be a bit more efficient. GPUs are also more efficient at lower temps. In the thread I mentioned above the OP reports getting down to 109w per card (@550 mh/s) with water cooling.     
legendary
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No problem, I'm sure you will be happy with those choices. $210 after rebate for a high quality 80+ silver 1000w psu + good mobo that can take up to 5 GPUs with risers (and 6 with a pci to pcie adapter)? That's hard to beat. I have the PSU myself and it is awesome. And the lack of modularity hardly matters in my open air rig.  Cheesy

Would I need a 2nd PSU for a 5 card setup?  Do you have a preferred riser & adapter brand you go with?   I have read about people getting cheap ones and they don't work.

   

For 5 7970s? Definitely, unless you undervolt them a lot. According to this

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/3x7970-mining-results-57410

First off, thank for the advice.  I have been building systems long enough to know little things sometimes make all the difference.


Question:  What post on here or somewhere has a good guide on how to under volt your card, hopefully the 7970.  I will be using windows 7 32bit and SDK 2.6.   I have read about using Catalyst or MSI afterburner to undervolt?   Some people talk about just editing the CGminer config file.   I would like to understand the purpose of undervolting beyond power savings (unless that is it) and what the correlation between the GPU Clock, GPU Mem Clock and the voltage is.  Someone mentioned getting a card down to 130 watts each, how do I figure this math out?    As Ludacris said, I want to know "how low can you go"?   

Dal
legendary
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You can run the SeaSonic @ 90%+ load 24/7.  I know from experience.  70% to 75% load is nothing.  It won't even blink.

No reason to mess with dual PSU unless you are building a system which pull 1200W+

cant agree more...  SS all the way:)

donator
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Gerald Davis
You can run the SeaSonic @ 90%+ load 24/7.  I know from experience.  70% to 75% load is nothing.  It won't even blink.

No reason to mess with dual PSU unless you are building a system which pull 1200W+
legendary
Activity: 1820
Merit: 1000
No problem, I'm sure you will be happy with those choices. $210 after rebate for a high quality 80+ silver 1000w psu + good mobo that can take up to 5 GPUs with risers (and 6 with a pci to pcie adapter)? That's hard to beat. I have the PSU myself and it is awesome. And the lack of modularity hardly matters in my open air rig.  Cheesy

Would I need a 2nd PSU for a 5 card setup?  Do you have a preferred riser & adapter brand you go with?   I have read about people getting cheap ones and they don't work.

   

For 5 7970s? Definitely, unless you undervolt them a lot. According to this

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/3x7970-mining-results-57410

you can undervolt them down to 130 watts. So that would be 650 for five plus whatever your mobo/cpu take. That's doable, but it's pushing the PSU more than some are comfortable with. You could get two of the PC Power and Cooling units for $220 and expand to your heart's content, lol. As far as risers go, the cheap ones are very badly made, but if you are only getting the x1 it doesn't matter too much. Even though Cabelsaurus is expensive, they are really good quality, and their x1s are only $6 or so. Frankly, if I were building a rig right now after my experience, I probably would just pay up and get the Cabelsaurus. In my experience, you have to buy two of the cheap ones to get one workable one between the two, but maybe I've been unlucky. I ordered a x16 from amazon (BestDealUSA was the seller) - it was cheap, but quality seemed a bit better than what I got on Ebay. For the pci to pcie adapter, go with Monoprice:

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=108&cp_id=10304&cs_id=1030406&p_id=7001&seq=1&format=2

Works fine and you don't have to wait a week and a half for it arrive like the ones from China. It works without a molex powered riser, but probably not too safe. Cablesaurus has the powered risers - again, expensive, but very good quality. 
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