Topic: Need help (Read 344 times)

If you are not aware, there is a discount with new Trezor models at the moment. You can take advantage of the offer and get free shipping. The Trezor Safe 3 is €79, while the old Trezor One costs €59. Considering the age of the Model One, it might not be a smart investment because we don't know if and when Trezor plans to drop its support for this model. The Trezor Safe 3 is in fact its successor. There is also the Model T which is currently discounted at €179.

That is indeed an alternative that I hadn't even thought about. However, I'm a little wary of the effort involved in keeping the mnemonic code safe. I invested a lot of money and effort back then to keep it both safe and easily accessible in case something happens to me. Now I would have to go to that effort again.

But thanks for the tip in any case, I'll think about it! However, I would almost like Pmalek's idea with the Bitcoin-only Trezor even better.

Sorry for bringing up this old issue, but I dont see anyone suggest this method. So I'll write it here:

I have been facing this issue a few times in the past and the best solution for me is to erase the trust wallet app cache and then repeat the transaction.
Lowering the amount will leave some dust in the balance especially when you want to send the whole balance and yes that method is not always working.



Remember, only clear the Cache - do not clear the Data.

Alternatively, get one of the two cheaper Trezor models, download and set it up with the Bitcoin-only firmware that contains only code necessary to interact with Bitcoin and move your BTC to it. That way, you won't have to worry that a badly configured altcoin or altcoin service can possibly harm your bitcoins. It's all under the same roof with Ledger.

My guess is that your BTC holdings is more valuable than the other 5 altcoins you are holding. So if you can afford to, you can get a BTC-only hardware wallet like Passport for your BTC's, and use your ledger hardware wallet for your altcoins. I always recommend that people store their BTC in a wallet that's different from what they use to store their altcoins, especially when the wallet is closed source or has secruity issues like ledger.

I also manage a number of different coins (BTC and about 5 other altcoins) via a wallet, but due to a lack of alternatives I currently still use a Ledger hardware wallet. Ledger also offers an integration in Android:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ledger.live&hl=en&gl=US

Especially for more valuable holdings, there is unfortunately no way around a hardware wallet for me personally, which is why the series of incidents surrounding Ledger also bother me personally ...

Depending on what altcoins you want to engage with, Stack Wallet might also be able to help. It's available both for Android and iPhone users. But it doesn't support that many altcoins. And based on what was said previously, it generates a unique seed phrase for each new coin you add to it. So, if you are using it with 3 altcoins, you would have to make 3 different secure backups + copies of those backups to store in different locations for better security.
https://stackwallet.com/

You don't have to store your altcoins and your BTC together, i don't even recommend that. Store your BTC in a BTC-only wallet like Electrum or BlueWallet, and use a multi-coin wallet to store your altcoins, unstoppable wallet is a good one to store altcoins, it is open source.
It is called tx fees in the BTC network and not gas fees.

Thanks for the advice, I would like to move all my bitcoins to Electrum, problem is I still have altcoins in that trust wallet. I'm looking for a good wallet for storing altcoins.

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Thanks OmegaStarScream, hugeblack, Charles-Tim and everyone who took the time to help. I imported the wallet into Electrum and was able to regulate the gas fee (fees were still high though) and send the coins.

Ahhh, yes indeed, that was Atomic! Unstoppable, Trust, Atomic! So many buzzwords but I tend to mix them up.
As you correctly stated, a closed source wallet is generally speaking to be avoided. Nobody can verify (look inside) what is actually happening, so it's just a massive possible attack vector for potentially stealing user funds.

I am sure you are talking about Atomic wallet, am i right? Yeah, Atomic wallet was compromised many months ago and so many of their customers lost their funds, they are also a closed source wallet and so is not recommended because we cannot verify how customer's keys is generated. The wallets of so many of their customers was compromised around June this year, but Atomic wallet is yet to provide a reason or explanation as to what happened, people should stay away from Atomic wallet and other closed source wallets.

True, I just checked wallet scrutiny and it is listed as a very solid and secure one there.
I was thinking about another one that stole customer funds, can't remember which one that was right now, about 10 months or so ago. But quite likely it was closed-source, not like unstoppable wallet, which is open-source.

The only thread I can find about scammy Unstoppable wallet is from Reddit years ago, where a scammer hacked their Telegram account or whatnot. So it is not even about the app. Are you sure it is Unstoppable wallet and not another multi-currency wallet app? There are tons of them nowadays.

Unstoppable wallet is a better alternative to trust wallet, because it is open source and you can also extend your seed phrase with a passphrase when you use unstoppable wallet. I don't know where you got that information from, but the wallet isn't a scam, except if someone downloads a fake or phishing version of the wallet. The only downside with Unstoppable wallet is that it does not support as many coins as trust wallet.

It was already stated, but I want to emphasize this, trust wallet is closed source and imho risky to use, especially for larger amounts.
Not ideal but much better to store alt-coins and tokens on a trusted hardware wallet instead.

And while we are at it, is there a better alternative to trust wallet? What I mean is an app for android that is ideally open-source and can handle tokens and shitcoins and all that jazz.
I remember there was unstoppable wallet which turned out to be scammy, too. which seems like a good alternative (I thought there was something going on, but must have been an other non-open source wallet).
See: https://walletscrutiny.com/android/io.horizontalsystems.bankwallet/

Trust wallet does not contain a coin control option, which means that if you want to send from that wallet with dust error, you must go to your previous transaction history and perform a new transaction whose total inputs are equal to one of the previous transactions. For example, if in a previous transaction you received $100, you must send a new transaction that is for that amount or less.

It's a useless thing, especially with the current fees, so importing your wallet into Electrum will solve this problem with more efficiently and easily (I advise you to stop using that seed after that and create a new one from your Electrum wallet).

With importing your wallet into electrum, you will be able to use Coin control feature. Electrum also flag transactions as RBF and that would be helpful if you have an unconfirmed transaction and you want to increase its fee.
But with importing your wallet into electrum, you won't really make your wallet more secure, because you would still use the wallet that has been generated by trustwallet. Trustwallet is close-source and there is no way to know how the keys are generated.

I recommend you to create a new wallet in electrum and send your fund to your new wallet. You can wait until the fees drop and then do that.


Given the error you got in trustwallet, you may have several small UTXOs.
If that's the case, I also recommend you to use coin control to avoid paying excessive fee and consolidate your inputs when fees are not high.

The topic created by LoyceV may be helpful to you.
[Dec 2023] Fees are high, wait for opportunity to Consolidate your small inputs


For bitcoin, electrum is surely a good option.
I am not much familiar with altcoins wallets, but I think unstoppable wallet should be a good option.

Thanks for taking the time to break it down for me to understand. I'm going to import the wallet to my Electrum wallet now and see if that works. From what I have learned today, I think tbe best course of action is to wait till the fees stabilize before making any transaction.

If trust wallet isn't the best wallet, which do you recommend for storing Bitcoin and also altcoins?

What said in that article is wrong.
Any UTXO you have is spendable, however sometimes it's not worth it to spend them.
If trustwallet doesn't allow you to spend a UTXO, it doesn't mean that's not spendable. You can import your key to another wallet and spend them.


Assume that you have received two bitcoin transactions. In one of them you received 0.01 BTC and in the other one you received 0.00001 BTC.
Now you have two UTXOs. UTXO A is worth 0.01 BTC and UTXO B is worth 0.00001. You are going to make a bitcoin transaction with the fee rate of 50 sat/vbyte sending the fund to a single address.

If you make a transaction using UTXO A and without using UTXO B, your transaction fee would be around 5600 satoshi.
If you add UTXO B to your transaction, the fee would increase to around 8900 satoshi. This means that if you add UTXO B to your transaction, you increase the fee by 3300 satoshi, while UTXO B is worth only 1000 satoshi. So, it's not worth it to spend UTXO B now and for spending that, you should wait until fees decrease. This doesn't mean you can't spend UTXO B now.

You should get dust error when your transaction creates an output worth less than the dust limit.
The dust limit is 546 satoshi for legacy addresses and 294 satoshi for native segwit addresses.


Don't use turstwallet and go for a trustworthy open-source wallet that supports coin control.

If this is the case, trust wallet won't even allow you to proceed to the sending page, as they will warn you of being low in balance, and the send page won't even be clickable. This UTXO error usually shows when the user has already clicked on send, which is when the error is now displayed.


From what I understand from what was said by the first member who commented, you can still spend those bitcoins you have there, but all you need to do is reduce the amount that you are trying to send all at once. Just reduce it and try it out again until it finally goes through. Instead of using the maximum, try using custom and reducing the value you add.