Topic: Need some help: is this a Tether adddress or not? (Read 283 times)

It looks like it's gonna be allright. I just chatted with Wintomato and they said they are going to credit back the funds as soon as their main boss comes back from holiday. Pretty amateuristic but it looks at least like they still got the USDT in their posession.

You are right about this.
But let's be honest, isn't it a huge mistake of the external payment processor of Wintomato to just send TRON to a Bitcoin address without apparently doing a quick check first?
I mean, yes it's my fault too but Im a noob and they are the professionals who do this for a living so they must have all kind of quick tools to check addresses available within seconds. And shouldnt their systems even have built in something that gives an error when TRON is being sent to a Bitcoin address?

You need to contact their support and explain that.
The transaction was never completed,  so they probably have the usdt in their wallet.

Ask for the blockchain transaction, if they say they sent it.

It's basically a problem with the chain selection or just a straight up scam sportsbook nothing more. Contact them again and explain to them that this is the address you gave them and there is nothing on the blockchain and if they are willing to help you out then they will give you a reason.

Also, I would like to point out that there are a million good sportsbooks in the crypto world like fortunejack, sportsbet.io, stake all known places, and you picking something I have never heard before as a person who has been here for 500 years or something like that (definitely feels that way with all the ups and downs) shows me that you did something risky yourself.

And in Bitcoin we now have the new Taproot (P2TR) format, starting with  bc1p.
For example:
https://mempool.space/address/bc1p0005q9cq22kye6pn64yyqq5lk6sqh85fskxzqwz35a3sz3kw7e8q329up0

This is right, each one works in different blockchain and the right way to send USDT is to swap your BTC to USDT first.

Let me explain to OP the deifference between a BTC addy and a TRC-20 addy.

Bitcoin address can start with 3, 1 & bc1q, Here are some examples:


And USDT is an Smart Contract: https://etherscan.io/token/0xdac17f958d2ee523a2206206994597c13d831ec7#code

And their address start with 0x. as you can see in the next example:

This is wintomato USDT deposit screen. I entered a random Btc address just for testing

https://wintomato.com/en/billing/withdraw

This failed the captcha with the BTC address. So maybe you didn't send anything at all (there is a chance)


They support only TRON and ETH chains (which is disabled now). It is impossible they could have sent USDT in the bitcoin chain to justbet.cx.

You most likely sent in TRON chain to justbet (which can't receive it)

I took a look at justbet.cx and they don't mention USDT support in their website (btc, ltc, etc and bch)
https://www.justbet.co/bitcoin-sportsbook


You said the sender Wintomato send something.
You said the receiver didn't receive anything.

So you have something in an address nobody control. This is why it might be lost.



You need to try to discover where did your coins go (if they did go at all). I believe wintomato did not sent anything.

You need to contact wintomato support to see if they did send anything at all. Then, if they did send, you need to look for blockchain confirmation.
If you see a blcokchain confirmation, you might need to contact justbet support to try to recover the private key of the lost funds.

It is very unllikely that third party will try to recover private key of funds sent to wrong addresses, because it is a security risk for them and the fault is on you (who sent coins to the wrong address).

 this is why it is much easier to recover funds that you sent to a wallet you control the private keys.

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This is a copy-paste of justbet.cx terms (https://www.justbet.co/bitcoin-sportsbook):

Because it's much easier to transfer from bookmaker to bookmaker if you gamble a lot. I have done this a thousand times (with bitcoin only) and it went well a thousand times. Only this time it's going wrong, because it's the first time I use USDT. And if funds can be salvaged, they will still be salvaged because both parties (sender and intended receiver) can be trusted completely and will collaborate if I give them instructions.  That is not the issue. So you think something can be salvaged? How?

Why didn't you withdraw to your own wallet in order to have a chance to salvage the funds yourself?

I'm very confused.....some people in this topic say that since nothing is visible on that address, they are 100% certain nothing was ever sent.
And now you are totally on the other side of the spectrum, saying funds are lost forever. Meaning that something for sure was sent since otherwise it cannot be lost.
Do you disagree with the other posters in here who are saying that since it's an empty address with zero history, nothing was ever sent?

So many chains today but it is interesting to see USDT on Lightning which is yet not on Binance option. LN has less fee which I bet more will prefer to use the LN.

Unbelievable that a bookie has such an address for a stablecoin. Now the funds are lost forever. I really think it's thier fault. OP, you gotta take a screenshot of all these to prove.

Can you give us more details here, please?

Who is the sender? Coinbase? Binance? A friend of yours? Someone you met in the internet in a shady website promising free coins?

For example, binance has a very clear interface and instructions about USDT withdrawals


This is binance wallet  screenshot with USDT withdrawal options.

They have a lot of options to withdrawal USDT, on many different chains:
BSC, ETH, TRON, MATIC, AVAC, SOL, TEZOS, and many more i don't even know all of those chains.

if you choose the wrong chain and move your coins to some address you don't control, your funds may be lost forever.

You must be very careful and give the correct instructions to the sender.

Well I can't be 100% sure since I don't know everything. But it is clear that the address you posted has not received anything at all: https://blockchair.com/search?q=35Fx6GRmqZiBN9pWrERGU5VQjAHcR4TEVq&submitButton=

Basically when you are withdrawing a token, the interface has to give you an error if you enter a wrong address (like if they support Tether on Tron network only but you enter a bitcoin address). But if they are producing bitcoin addresses themselves for Tether deposits and accept it too for withdrawals (as you said from one sportsbook to another) then they shouldn't be a problem there.

If the transaction failed, it is still their fault. They produced this address and accepted it as valid, didn't they?

So you're 100% sure the sender is at fault here?
I simply said to that processor, transfer XXX amount of Tether to this address (the one I mentioned in OP) and you are sure nothing has been sent. So they simply did not follow the instructions.

But then what about Loyce's comment "Failed transactions aren't registered on the Blockchain."
Could it be that they did send something but it failed for whatever reason?

There is no such thing as a "Tether address" because Tether is not a regular cryptocurrency, it is a token and tokens live on other blockchains hence use their address. A base58 string starting with 3 is a bitcoin address (or its copies) or a groestlcoin which does't seem to support Tether.
If they had send you Tether you should have seen a bitcoin transaction coming to that address with the smallest amount of bitcoin possible (around 500 satoshi) and at least 2 outputs one of which is using OP_RETURN.
The address you posted hasn't received anything which means they have never sent you anything. Whether it is an address listed by mistake or they never sent you anything it is their fault and you have to contact the support and ask for your funds.

You have to use an Omni wallet to spend those coins not to receive them. You have not yet received anything.

Okay, so what scenario do you think is more realistic:
1) Justbet did mistakenly have a Bitcoin address listed under their Tether tab (massive mistake) and therefore the transaction failed
2) Justbet does have a Bitcoin address listed under the Tether tab intentionally because it can receive USDT deposits on there. But if that is the case, they should have had a disclaimer listing that the sender has to use the omni wallet too. And this disclaimer wasn't there so even in this case it's still sloppy.

Yes, a bitcoin address can receive usdt.

Take a look here and explore omni layer
http://omniexplorer.info/

But you can't just send usdt to a bitcoin address. Both Sender and received must be using an omni wallet.

The problem is that Nowadays not many exchanges and using bitcoin network for tether transactions anymore.
In 2021  binance abandoned omni layer
https://u.today/binance-abandons-first-ever-tether-platform-omni-network

On the other hand, tether is making yhe first transactions in the lightning network
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/technical/tether-sent-using-the-lightning-network

Só I believe we will see many more bitcoin address receiving tether I  the future.

Thanks, and any answer please on my other question:

But some things confuse me. I went into the Justbet livechat and their Bitcoin specialist that I got connected to kept saying that it really is a Tether address. So either they have no clue what they are talking about or it is in fact an address that can receive both Bitcoin and USDT? I did not know that was possible but looking at what bitmover said in the post above this, there are addresses that can receive both?

Failed transactions aren't registered on the Blockchain.

Thanks guys.

Let me clarify a bit: the reason I started this topic is because a couple days ago I requested a withdrawal from one crypto sportsbook to another one. In the cashier section of the other one (named Justbet.cx) they have a list of cryptocurrencies and I selected Tether and got this address (the one I mentioned in the OP).
So I withdrew my USDT balance in the other book to this address. Then it lasted a couple hours and I still did not get the funds credited on Justbet and I asked the other book what is wrong and they said the transaction failed. Now, after doing some research it's starting to look like the Tether-address I got fom the cashier in Justbet was in fact a Bitcoin address. Which is ofcourse a horrible mistake of them and now because of this my funds are stuck in the air somewhere.

But some things confuse me. I went into the Justbet livechat and their Bitcoin specialist that I got connected to kept saying that it really is a Tether address. So either they have no clue what they are talking about or it is in fact an address that can receive both Bitcoin and USDT? I did not know that was possible but looking at what bitmover said in the post above this, there are addresses that can receive both?

And one more question: as you guys said the address I posted is a completely empty address with no transactions visible. Should it not show at least a failed transaction if USDT is sent to a Bitcoin address? Or does a failed transaction equal no transaction and therefore it shows zero transactions?