Topic: Need Your Support or Opposition (Read 991 times)

Sad to say that, I will ignore you from now on. If you want let’s KYC me and him. And I am paying you whatever the f*$$ you want. You also accused blossom15 as well. And are completely trying changing the topic in favor of rollbit. Answer blossom and mine question on reimbursement; if not go back to playing in your sandbox.

This is adult ground, not kids. If you accuse someone, might as well provide evidence for your opposition on the situation; not jr account which is my friend is the problem here.

Don’t act like you are honest; no one believes it.

You say no word about fileflix and michael alts; but only have a problem with my friend?

Wow, same grammar mistakes; best sleuth in town.

Clown.

You even make the exact same spelling mistakes. It is more than obvious you are the same person.

Sorry pal but you cannot accuse anyone here with bunch of lies. To all reading i must say that i am a real life aquitance and not an alt or a bot. Gather evidence if you shall in this situation, all i see bla bla bla bla…. I chose this name for project we were both working on, i was going to be working on it getting feedback here; but some of you losers changed his topic to alt accounts. Person knows best from himself, you believe he is a fraud? Why do you give back up as other events for this situation. Your sayings are dog poo because he already got compansated 800 usd on first place if you can read. I think you lack reading skills and investigation…. Don’t spit false information on my screen.

Edit: yes, i hope he puts you in case for framing; supported.

This wasn’t a loss that was asked because of self-exclusion. If I was asking this loss because I could open a new account and rollbit and lost it all; in your case; I would be asking for millions here.

By the way, I got refunded 800 USD; so your scenerio here has no backed up evidence and support.

If I was refunded 800, I need to be refunded 44000 as well; so your evidence has ZERO, I repeat; ZERO support and proof.

Go play in your owner’s sandbox and take your sh*t there; and tell your boss to change it oftenly.

Sandboxes smell shit, when it is left for too long.

You have taken so many shits and gotten your replies, you might as well leave this topic now.

First, I thought you were trying to be genuine; but now I seriously doubt that.

You are trying everything to go against but the topic here, which is odd; or is it?

But sadly with your every try, you get more emberassing. If I was a lurker here, would laugh my arse off and ignore you.

You are trying to freeroll the casino; and if you are going to go that way, you accept that the casino is freerolling the player. If he wins they can confisticate winnings, if they lose it’s all good. I urge you don’t go that way because the amount lost in this account is maybe 10-20 times of your tens of thousands of dollars.

Don’t assume you are against a fool, fools don’t earn this much money to lose.

Well I have bad news for you, that account you are talking about and the others were not owned by me; and was never KYC’d; and tetaeridanus was invited to your site after a data leak with 5000 usd no strings attached bonus. Go ask your boss about it.

What you are trying to do here is making look rollbit.com fair by any means; and if you continue false accusations against me like;

-I have bots
-I have ‘multiple’ accounts
-I get fake support on flag

I will put you in my legal case as a false accuser and a framer.


One thing you shouldn’t worry about, I have enough capacity to get a 50.000$ a case lawyer; just to make people like you get what they deserve.

I think you’re being unfair to the OP here. Their degeneracy is not what directly caused this loss, it was the sudden, unannounced maintenance. Arguing that they deserved it because of their past behavior is disingenuous.

Are you aware that rollbit refunded other users losses and even reimbursed the OP a smaller amount of $800? If they believed their users were at fault, they wouldn’t have refunded anyone at all. The ONLY reason they haven’t refunded the larger amount, IMO, is because of the extra zeros. Frankly, if I was them, I’d give him the money back, instead of all this, he’d probably lose it again eventually anyway.

Regarding being the OPs alt, it wouldn’t be the first time I’ve been accused of such for arguing against the popular opinion on this forum, so I’m not surprised. This seems to be standard behavior here.

And yes, I am a bot  

Circumventing your self-exclusions, depositing tens of thousands of dollars, and gambling it all away. Self-exclusions rely on self-control and not trying to cheat the system; you failed in those regards. On your most recent case, you ignored the warnings about upcoming maintenance and didn’t set a stop-loss. Also, on Casino.Guru you said that you were permanently excluded, which means you circumvented the self-exclusion yet again when trading on Rollbit. This would be enough to forfeit the right to a refund in almost any scenario.

What is the behavior here, caused by me; if I may ask?

He also quoted the ruling in your previous accusation against Rollbit. Together with the issue with Stake, it shows that you like to make accusations against casinos when things don’t go your way, hoping to get bailed out of a misfortune caused by your own behavior.


I don’t think there is anything conclusive to say that Blossom15 is your alt. Their AI generated writing is enough to hide possible clues. I only used them as an example because your logic against Fixelifix could also be used against you

Hello Finney,

You are obliged to believe whatever you want, and I won’t try to argue this here. Believe it or not, a friend can open a account on this platform, so does many of you have here. Let’s open another discussion; and only discuss this; but this not the place nor time. I see that the topic is shifting to another thing.

For your fileflix; he pasted a dispute against stake while writing about a rollbit problem.

What does those 2 disputes have anything to with the maintenance issue?

Let me ask you this, if you are so evident about your opposition; you must be (you look like) a smarter individual to think that this copy paste messages from fileflix is done in purpose.

I also will like to base your accusation with blossom being my alt; if you also prove this, I will gladly send any amount you want to any escrow for this.

Filefix was mostly just quoting posts from CasinoGuru verbatim. What exactly are you disputing? He was correct that you had complaints on CasinoGuru that were rejected. You might disagree with their rulings but I don’t really see anything illegitimate about them.

Whatever evidence I provide of 14z4rus being your alt, you will just continue to deny. Being a real life friend doesn’t explain why they chose a name that you have also used. The writing styles of each account are practically identical. Semicolons are not a common punctuation, yet both accounts like to use them very frequently. Both accounts sometimes comment within several minutes of each other and when this happened recently I observed that when one account showed a status of being online, the other would go offline and they would alternate several times. The tetaeridanus account sometimes has a habit of not using the quote button but instead will manually copy and insert text inside [​quote​] tags when replying. The 14z4rus account hasn’t been active enough for this to be a common pattern, but they have done this at least once.

Maybe it’s not the hard evidence you want to see, but there are too many coincidences for me to believe that these accounts aren’t owned by a single person.

I never denied 14z4rus is a real life friend of mine? Also Blossom15 is not my alt or anything. I have mentioned before; prove this accusation and I will pay you whatever the f*** you want. Stop with the fake accusations and derailing the topic. You need to be a 0 iq monkey to believe in fileflix accusations as legit.

Edit: can you also share the one for fileflix and michael?

You and your alt accounts have accused anybody who opposed or disagreed with your flag of being paid actors. I didn’t find it necessary to comment on such nonsense. As for M1cha3lM, I have no idea who they are or what their connection to Rollbit is. You accused Fixelfix of being their alt account due to them waking up recently and opposing your flag in the same time frame. If that is enough to make them suspicious then we also have to take a look at Blossom15, who also woke up recently and started making AI-generated posts supporting your accusation.

They also supported your flag in close proximity to your main account and the 14z4rus account.



I hadn’t mentioned that account before because I thought it might be possible that they were just a random Rollbit hater. If we want to nitpick at every detail, then the Blossom15 account is definitely shady and another of your possible alts being used to give your flag an artificial boost.

Hello JiiBs,

Thanks for your input on my situation.

So I went over the case as you have created in the scam accusation board and I must say, it’s a very unique case you’ve got. One that you cannot entirely be blamed but, it’s still your fault anyways. Why do I say so?
Ignorance they say isn’t an excuse in the face of the law. This applies also to negligence in the sense that, you didn’t give any attention to their channel where this maintenance was prior posted as a notice before it went down.

I understand why though, this isn’t something that happens often and so, what the hell… why should you be out there before placing a trades right. I guess this is one of the reasons why and we’ve got something to learn from this situation.

From the case you presented,
Rollbit compensated for trades that got liquidated or the SL was met within this time frame and
Ignored those that weren’t or whose liquidation or ST occurred after.
You probably missed that one too as, you might have hoped the maintenance continued after the 20minutes time frame or
You saw it and decided to let it roll of which, they had to let slide too to avoid being called up on trade.

I think you can understand there position at this point, they didn’t mean no harm and took responsibility for all that played out during the 20minutes maintenance and not after of which, they had granted access to the site. I think you can’t call them up for that don’t you think.

I agree it looks like an alt account, but is that really a valid reason to oppose the  flag?

From his posts, it’s clear he’s not handling this situation well, and the mental strain is taking a serious toll on him. Who can blame him for allegedly using an alt account if, in his mind, he’s convinced it would help his cause?

$50,000 is a lot of money for most people.

The real issue here is whether you believe rollbit is responsible for the OP’s financial loss and whether it can be trusted as a reliable trading platform for other users. This isn’t about whether you like the OP or whether they’re using alts to draw attention to their topic.

I’m guessing you already know that.

Just checking in for paid puppets;

Example 1: Fixelifix

 

Hello nutildah!


Thanks for your objective view on my argument and case, without derailing the actual issue and my trying for awareness. I know that no one is able to help me here, but since Rollbit.com is a signature campaign owner at this site, I tried my best to raise awareness at the issue and the problem they have caused on me to the felow forum members, lurkers and also DT. Thinking that maybe they own up to their mistakes and have a chance to change the outcome.

My war on justice has been futile to this day. I even got an opposition which (altough respect) is backed up by nothing but horseradish.

However I will not give up on my war on justice.



I have stopped gambling altogetherly for a year now, I used the platform for trading purposes. Which you can see in the account stats that the account has lost 250000+, but have a daily of 3 dollars. (I self excluded myself after these accidents).


You are very right, and I regret this fully. I regret this everyday and will probably regret my entire life. The amount of money I donated to these people is immensely life changing. It was donation, nothing else. I gave huge amounts of money to a casino and owner who lacks any dignity, which gives zero sh** about customer satisfaction or wrong doing on their part. Also, is using his influence power on the forum; and sending me fake accounts here to talk instead of him. The only supporters of him will be his paid part time workers who get paid to post here. Few people have any self respect left in today's world, I suppose.

I also got falsely accused of talking between my alt accounts for weeks now. The accuser failed to adress the obvious paid alts of rollbit.com but tries his best to de-rail my topic and gather the focus from theft to ridiculous topics. I won't eat this up from these people. I never did and never will. I will continue ignoring the noise and fight for my stolen money and justice, even if it's futile; I am going nowhere.

Anyways, thanks for your look into this situation; and good questions.

Tetaeridanus.

Tetaeridanus.

It’s worth reconsidering your stance.

I understand your points about rollbit’s t&cs and the broader lack of accountability among online platforms like these. However, the fact that such terms exist doesn’t make them inherently justifiable. In many cases, predatory practices hidden behind legalese have been challenged and overturned, particularly when they exploit users lack of awareness or present unreasonable terms.

Take, for instance, cases involving payday loans or excessive arbitration clauses in consumer contracts. Initially deemed  legitimate due to fine print agreements, they were later struck down or heavily regulated when courts determined they were exploitative.

The same logic can apply here, just because the t&c state that rollbit isn’t liable doesn’t mean they’re immune from scrutiny.

Blaming the victim for not recognizing these practices shifts the focus away from the real issue - a lack of regulation and accountability in these platforms. It's important to remember that many users, like the OP, might not be fully aware of how skewed these systems are against them until they face a loss. Does that ignorance justify inaction or refusal to help?

I would argue it doesn’t.

Instead of opposing, you can advocate for greater scrutiny and fairness in how these platforms operate.

By not supporting the OP, you inadvertently enable these companies to continue predatory behavior unchecked.

Wouldn’t it be more constructive to side with those calling out these injustices, regardless of their awareness of the risks beforehand?

Encouraging regulation and pushing for more ethical practices benefits everyone, not just the OP.

I urge you to rethink your position. Standing against exploitation, even in small ways, can lead to broader changes. Let’s not let bad systems persist simply because they’ve been allowed to operate unchallenged for so long

My thoughts are it seems like you have a valid argument based on the information you have provided, but we're not going to be able to help you here. Your best bet was holydarkness and it seems he did everything he could. He does this kind of thing on behalf of complainants out of kindness, and isn't paid for it, BTW, and doesn't hold a special title or capacity on the forum.

Also:


I'm curious why you continued to play at Rollbit after writing this post and others that are similar, like this one:


Yet you supported it way, waay more than 90% of us ever did by being their customer. And not just a customer but a big one as well, seemingly in direct contradiction with your own advice. Did you change your mind, or what made you decide to trust Rollbit again?

No, not in most cases at; but sold out f***s can use this to change the issue.

At least in real life where you can’t talk behind your merits, but doxxed.

Not only change and manipulate but oppose as well.

Ffs.

This site only have a few people in DT that matters to me.

It’s clear that you are here to manipulate this topic.

I will be locking this topic due to unsufficient evidence behind an opposition which is an insult to my life situation and dignity. Just because he ‘can’, he opposed a legal battle I am giving. This trust system is a joke.

I hope justice will be served to all of the liars, manipulators and pieces of ****; who I have gave so much time trying to explain my situation for weeks and am getting called that am talking with alts.

@JollyGood no one understands anything here pal. LoL. Alt? Hahahahhaha.
You know what’s funny???You all are sooooookay and ready to change the topic.
You know what else is funny? This person opposes the flag without any evidence or real opinion on the case, maybe even didn’t read it, and you all are okay with it. Go to Hell.

You know what this called? Abuse of power.

About alts? I also will give this owl guy 1 btc if he can prove my friend tetaeridanus has alts that were talking to him in the chats. I am giving 1 BTC. Prove it you paid actor, then talk here.

I didn’t create accounts, stop lying; just **** stop.

If you are going to say something, prove it.

I politely replied to your questions but seem to not even care, huh? Lol, I don’t think you even read my accusation.

This is doing DT Abuse, you are opposing a flag without any reasonable explanation or evidence.

No ones going to tell you stories over bed time, I am not going to continue conversation with a ignorant **** like you, I am not in any way obliged to tell you any more details.

**** rollbits clown, what alts you talking about? I only know 14z4rus as a real life acquitance.

Prove me I have alts here, I will pay you whatever the **** you want. Cheap ****, because newbies or people who are not high levels as you supported doesn’t mean they are alts.

It’s not hard to see you are a loser irl and come here and act like you are **** something.

So you opposed? Nice, go get a life. Or even give me negative trust because you ‘can’.

DT Abuser!

I noticed that too, it does appear as though he has created accounts in order to talk himself in an attempt to make the thread relevant and keep some interest going. I suppose you can understand his need to demonstrate some solidarity even if by newbie accounts but more likely than not, in most cases they will stand out like a sore thumb and will defeat the object as the conversation moves from being about the issue to being about the other accounts.

This guy is using alt accounts and basically just talking to himself for 3 weeks - OFC I'm going to oppose his flag.

I have no real opinion on whether or not he should technically be repaid, but had it been me, I never would have gambled with 70x leverage. that's insane, and from the losses they say you incurred, this can't mean too much to you overall. Are you a degenerate gambler and this was your last bitcoins?

What's the real story. They say you won plenty too, or maybe you said that, I can't keep track. Anyhow, as the poster noted, using alts to boost your cause is not going to help here.

@tetaeridanus Don't let these people change your topic; I advise you to ignore them as soon as you see this kind of people.

Seems like the swarm is headed towards us.

Hello JollyGood,

Thanks for your detailed answer as well;

As I said, I am getting ready for legal action; already, almost finished.

This forum sadly(I should’ve known) is full of spammers and bots who try to de-rail the topic.

Sadly most of the people took middle ground, and who aren’t taking it (especially 2 DTs) opposed the flag.

I will keep my thing going here for all my supporters and opposers as well.

This is what I can publish.

I wish the very well for you.

Thanks.

Hello,

Finneys’True’Vision;

To begin with, no one is hiding anything; you probably don’t have a friend in your real life, so let me tell you he is a real life aquitance, that is closely watching the case here. Unlike you and people like you, no one is hiding anything. If they did, why put the name 14z4rus? Lol at your face.

Secondly; what merit farming you talking about? I merited everyone who had a valid argument and support on the start. Choose to believe whatever you want.

Thirdly; you can choose to believe whatever you want, however be a man/woman or whatever you identify yourself as (I don’t care) and own some dignity, stop taking the topic to somewhere else.

Fourthly; tell me what is weak about the argument and I will answer it. Seems like you have read sh**, camer here and post sh** about me, took a sh*** on my thread and leave. A account who knows me trying to defend does not discredit anything; you might as well take this knowledge and get out of my thread if you are here to change the topic.

Oppose if you like for days,weeks,months but don’t derail my topic, get it?



Else: Also, your behavior is an insult to Hal Finney, who was a advocate for ‘liberation and freedom of information’.

What a strange coincidence that your username is just a leet version of the OP’s name and that your entire post history is just you always coming to their defense and attacking anybody who doesn’t agree with their accusations.


Using alt accounts to try and manipulate opinions, to boost support on your own flags, and giving yourself merit is enough to discredit the case you have made against Rollbit. I thought the accusation was weak to begin with since they did the bare minimum to absolve themselves of responsibility by giving users enough of a heads up about the upcoming maintenance. If the downtime had resulted in your position achieving a higher profit because it was kept open longer than you otherwise would have, then you would not have expected that result to be nullified. It’s unfortunate this resulted in such a big loss, and I don’t want to kick you while you’re down, but I don’t see much validity to the arguments you have made.

I appreciate the detailed response you provided. This is the key part of your post that caught my eye because you mentioned your conversation with your attorney (which could lead to litigation). As of now there are several threads that had OPs stating they would take various casinos/gaming websites to court but to my knowledge never actually did. I would advise you to think about your next step very carefully.

As mentioned earlier, Rollbit have stated they will not review your case therefore it was important to know your intentions going forward.

What I would advise you is to consider your steps very carefully because no matter how much you believe you have a solid case, that belief will need to filtered down to an easily understood level to resonate with a judge, keeping in mind the defendant will have some of the best lawyers that money can buy. If you lose the case you could be forced to pay their legal fees as well as your own.

Hello,

Not exactly, seems you haven’t read my initial post?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5520613

I never asked for refund of loss before, and have this type of incident happen to me before.

I had 2 open positions when this maintenance happened, 2 of them both had no stop loss.

800 usd one was higher leverage, which got resulted in liquidation during the maintenance.

When I wrote to chat, support said me to write to live support if I got liquidated or stop lossed during the maintenance. Then:

1- I have written to live support.
2- 20 minutes later they said they have refunded my bet.
3- The other bet was still live, but almost liquidated; they denied refunding.


Any more questions? Why do you talk like I am a freeroller? I have posted every evidence of my sayings; open the link and below the original thread, you can see the bets, and refunded or lost.


Edit: Also can I ask what made you believe that way? You can see from rollbit’s response from my old trades, or I can post here. I have lost this amount many times and never asked for refund? Also all threads are about this topic, please read them all and decide.

One more thing to ask you. So you had a case where you asked for a refund because you didn't set a stop loss. The excuse was that the platform was unavailable. Later you repeated the same thing again, you didn't set a stop loss again and the same thing happened.
Has your strategy always been to play without damage control and hope that the house will accept your complaint and refund your losses?

Hey nutildah,

MicahelM is a worker of rollbit.com and you can find him in even the chat as a mod or support I don't remember.

They both opposed in the same timeframe.

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On fileflix case, it is really shady why he mentions a dispute with stake.com in my thread. Maybe he also works for stake.

Don't you think, he suddenly wakes up and only interests in my threads? Doesn't this concern you nutildah?

 It is nonesense and with an only motive; DE-RAILING the topic, and also framing.

Edit: I see why this bot account has showed up; if not for rollbit but because of my previous battle with stake 2 years ago... Wow...

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What is your thoughts in my case?

Actually it appears they are not:


If anything they promote Stake, mention them in a lot of posts, but who knows what's going on really. I'm sorry I can't add anything constructive to your dilemma.

Hello 14z4rus,

Thank you for your interest in my cause.

It is obvious that this is a dodging attempt from the casino itself; given that both accounts michael and this flyfix opposed my flag at the same time correspondingly.

I have zero interest in both of them since I have put both on ignore. I don't respect their words or sayings if they continue on this road like this.

Fileflix is not a professional but an amateur framer. This words are not cared by anyone, I can assure you this.

If he is not, then it is so funny, probably he is trying to get paid from rollbit.com for defending them blindfolded.

If his accusation was true indeed (I can assure you it is not with proof), It has nothing to do with this case; compansation or not.

We live in such a world that 0 IQ people can come these forums and open accounts; and even earn 100 merit.

What a world we live in.

Razer's 5 dollars a day workers came here to oppose?    I am not SUPRISED.

You can try everything you want, he has all the support he needs in his back and he is not alone in this.

Go and get your 5 usd paycheck you loser, while you are at it; pay for a life coach.

You need to lack any self respect or dignity to be bought by a thief; and blabber bullshit in this forum.

I have also looked at your reply and topic history and cannot fathom but think that why did you suddenly wake up and answer this threads of tetaeridanus with the same answers. Which is strange. Really strange.

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To your accusation, If OP was asking for his deposits back; you could oppose him with his evidence and even I would be thinking about it.

Your accusation has nothing to do with OP's flag or his scam accusation.

Go away to a different topic if you may, there is nothing to do here for you. (If your boss allows you to do so.)

Anyways;

I have looked at your topic history which shows how you farmed the merits prior to 120 days. Your account has zero value to a person who has above average IQ, so does your beliefs.

Who believes that your opinion is valid is a loser like your boss Michael and Razer.


The only person who is untrustworthy is you my friend not anybody else. I am not blaming Rollbit.com for my losses. If I did I would be demanding my 250.000 USD loss on this account. You are a delusional puppet who came here to talk nothing but utter bullshit.


Again, another bot reply. I am not asking for a payback nor I changed any personal information. That dispute account was used both by me and another friend. I will not give any more details since you are someone no one should care.

Now I will do the following;

1- Put you on my ignore list, so you can talk to yourself over here.

2- If you continue on spilling shit in my serious thread, I will give negative trust and report you. You cannot come to my thread and spread false information.

3- If you still insist on doing this, I will also open a flag on you.

Not really. But you are not trustworthy and just blaming Rollbit for your losses. Just read the links I sent from Casino guru. LoL

The player's self exclusion failed as he was able to play casino games. The case was rejected since the player filled different personal information, as the ones that were used in his initial self-excluded account. Therefore, the system could not prevent him from making deposits or the accounts.

Whats the problem with you? Do you think casinos will pay you back when you are changing personal information?

You fool also came to my other thread and have put the same message. To all reading, This is a paid bot account controlled by rollbit.com which woke up after months to come to my threads and post to frame me for different causes.

I have bad news for you bud, this account you are talking about does not belong to me; go ahead and ask for my data from Casino Guru.

Secondly, if you are not a bot, you are an imbecile who put stake.com complaint which went on for months. Twice in two threads.

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Also another bad news from you, M1cha3lM and you opposed my flag in the same time frame; which means two of the accounts are probably owned by the same person. Which M1cha3lM is known to be a worker of rollbit.com; shows how legit your opposition is.

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After all this gets done, AND if you become a legit casino (legal); I am going to sue the fuck out of you especially for paying bot accounts to manipulate people's opinions.

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This is why I asked for support here, sadly 2 DT's who opposed don't even know who they are supporting at this point. These people are trying to de-rail the topic and change it to another thing. They know they are at fault here, they are changing the topic so you may oppose me. How about M1cha3lM come up like a man and answer this accusation. You cannot, because you are a coward puppet who is trying to dodge responsibility for your boss.

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Source:
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I am opposing. OP has some sort of problem, just read his posts at casino guru. All got rejected.
Reminder:

https://casino.guru/stake-casino-the-player-s-self-exclusion-failed-2

"The player's self exclusion failed as he was able to play casino games. The case was rejected since the player filled different personal information, as the ones that were used in his initial self-excluded account. Therefore, the system could not prevent him from making deposits or the accounts."

https://casino.guru/rollbit-casino-player-requested-a-refund-of-his-deposits

The player from Turkey was able to open a new account despite an active self-exclusion. After reviewing all available evidence, we ended up rejecting the complaint.

Dear owlcatz,

As you can see from my original thread, my 800 usd trade with no stop loss was liquidated during the maintenance, and was compansated fully with even a bonus on top. This should answer your question.

Your opposition’s reasoning doesn’t fit this case.

Altough I respect your opinion, you literally said you opposed because I don’t care about $.

This is a blantant scam attempt from rollbit.com.

With respect.

This is something only the casino team can provide an answer to but from what I read in the email sent by the casino support which the OP provided the chance of him/her getting the fund is slim.

According to the screenshot email. I believe the problem was OP placing the trade 1-2min when the casino had their platform maintenance, and manually canceling the leverage trade at a loss when the casino was back online.

Hello JollyGood,

Thanks for your interest;

I have as I have described above; believe and have proof that I should be compansated according to rollbit’s policy that they have applied after this sudden maintenance event.

Just because my position wasn’t liquidated doesn’t mean I wasn’t affected from downtime. I was affected with a 40.000 usd loss while being stripped of my ability to control my position. They have answered as you can see stating my previous trading history as proof that the downtime would have no impact on my trade from an assumption point of view, giving previous 5 trades as evidence.

Even if they have gave 165 of the trades as proof (which they can’t because it will contradict their assumption) this would not change the fact that they have not looked at liquidated users’ past trades while compansating them (or the people who got stop losses)

I would also add that why did rollbit then compansate my 800 usd trade, which had no stop loss and got liquidated.

Because of the amount of money, they are dodging this case with not even their ToS, but my previous trades as evidence. Which is a blantant scam attemt.

I have came here and wrote these, so to show people how Rollbit Razer acts on his users, don’t even care about his reputation, and how easily he can close a topic.

He avoided and is avoiding responsibility on this case, so I opened a flag to him; to not only him to reconsider his actions but to show the site which he holds a signature campaign, how he treats his users.

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The latter of the incident is talked between me and my attorney. If you are interested or it is a must for me to describe what I will do about this case in the future, I would rather talk privately about this.

Thanks for your interest in the topic JollyGood.

Regards.

Personally I am not against using the Reputation board for matters that could also be listed in the Scam Accusations board and if there is merit it should be supported. Having said that, in this particular instance from what I can understand (unless I am missing the obvious), Rollbit have stated their downtime would have had no impact on the outcome. Is this what your actual complaint is based on?

Also, now that you have received a definitive response from Rollbit stating they will not review the matter again, what is your next step in your complaint? I ask because you have brought your matter to the forum for the members to look and we have therefore the pertinent question has to be about what you intend as your next step.

Hello Owlcatz, yes that is the interface of rollbit.

Yes, I have sent you the mail confirming from rollbit.com;

If I got liquidated during the event, or got stoplossed ; I would get refund in both situations.

However I was 300 usd away from liquidation when the maintenance was over, and I cashed out.

They decided I am not eligible for refund, and gave lack of precautions as a cause. Which contradicts with them refunding players who have no stop loss function and got liquidated during the maintenance; and compansated wholy. Like my original image I posted which a 800 usd trade of mine was compansated as proof.

This is blantant selective scamming, and I need your help.

You can see from their mail in my final message thread that, they blabbered nonesense as ‘proof’ and dodged the situation or trying to dodge let’s say.

Please re consider your opposition, thanks for your warm reply.

Regards.

So... Am I to infer here that had he let himself get liquidated, would he get his $ back?

Was that the problem here? That interface above someone posted looks shady. why do something like that?

OP Is that what your interface looks like?

Rollbit and RAZER,

This doesn’t add up. You’re saying safety mechanisms like stop-losses are required to get refunded, but people who were liquidated during the downtime were compensated regardless of whether they used those mechanisms or not. So why is the lack of a stop-loss being used against me in this case?

My trade was live when the platform came back online, and I had to manually close it. The downtime prevented me from managing my position properly, which directly impacted my ability to control the risk. If others were refunded despite not using stop-losses, why am I being treated differently?

The downtime created an unfair situation for me just as it did for those who were liquidated. If they were compensated, I believe I should be as well. It’s only fair to apply the same standard across the board.

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This is also a message to people who don’t think I should be compansated because of ToS and don’t support this.

You are helping Rollbit.com hide behide bogus tos that changes everyday and dodge this without any proof or credibility. You help them avoid responsibility of their own foul behavior’s consequences.

Help me raise my voice.

Hello suzanne!

I didn’t see that notification, If I did; I am not an idiot to not put stop loss or even open at market opening hour. I open this trades for swing. The casino gave 5 trades out of 165 of my trades for evidence. Which is suspicious don’t you think?

Given your final statement, why did the casino compansate people who didn’t put stop losses and got liquidated during the maintenance event? Just because I was live and 100 usd away from liquidation doesn’t mean I don’t deserve compansation. If the casino didn’t refund these people, you would be correct.

As you can see my 800 dollars trade was refunded, which had no stop loss but got liquidated during the event. I have proof of this, many of the people here don’t seem to understand the core problem here;

People were refunded, who DIDN’T use stop loss as well.

Edit =
 I have read your final post, sadly situation here is not something that is in ToS. There is no rule that stop-lossed and liquidated people get compansated in a sudden website maintenance. It is a new rule probably they will put in ToS now or in near future. This isn’t about reading ToS. I already answered DaveF about this, sadly he continued on his opposition; which I respect.
 The situation here is rollbit is dodging responsibility without any credibility or proof, and dodging this. If you really want to stop this behavior you can support or oppose.

According to the gambling site in the subject. They consider it to be leverage trading and if we look into it leverage trading is done in a gambling form due to some leverage trading features that are not included.

The issue the Op was experiencing is something I pointed out in my last post.
It is time for every gambler to start prioritizing the terms and conditions (that include the rules and regulations) of all the casinos they're using because this is the only way to avoid complications.
Having said that, I honestly don't see the casino refunding the OP based on what was stated in the email he/she screenshotted. Their point was maintenance notification was pinned, the OP doesn't apply stop lost, and he/she manually cancels the trade when the site comes back online.
Technically, they are saying no refund for OP.

Hello owlcatz,

Thanks for giving your explanation, I respect every explained support or opposition. Mind you, I trade while on screen, which does not give me stop loss action;

Secondly, I think you don’t understand the situation that, people you are referring to; I repeat again; who were liquidated got compansated. Not only the people who got stop lossed got paid whole, liquidated did as well; you can see from their words.

What does this mean, who is at right?

I don’t see why you opposed, just see that you believe I don’t care about money, because of that they are not at fault?

Thanks.

No worries - I opposed it because only a person without actual care for their $ would place such a large crazy wager with no loss protection, regardless of any situation, IMO.

Nothing against you personally, but still, people need to use basic common sense when gambling such immense amounts of $.

Cheers and good luck on the endeavour, I do hope you prevail, but I don't see how it will come (yet). :|

I have been denied of getting compansation; which means an act of scam.

indirectly, it's what you mean here


indirectly you're emphasizing on same thing...but nevertheless, it's a suggestion, we can't start reading meanings to everything.

Thanks Zwei for your opinion; I hope I will get compansated as well, because I deserve to like other people did.

I never said Rollbit.com is a scam as a whole. However this is a scam attempt, done by Rollbit.com; not paying me whole as they did to other people. The reason I opened flag is to show them I deserve compansation. Your support would be mean whole; however I see that people all (almost) think I deserve compansation, but don’t support the flag. Anways, I thank you for your opinion.

It's obvious that in this case rollbit is at fault and you people need to be compensated for causing you guys to lose your fund's...my reason to say that they're at fault is that they need to inform people about their Web maintenance so that people will be aware, because what really caused these problems is lack of notification to the site towards their maintenance...but the aspect of thinking that rollbit is a scam, I think is a false information or accusations, because since I know rollbit they have not recorded scam case, just follow them with due process, everything will work out well.

it's misleading to call this "trading". does this look like a trading interface? not to me.
just another form of gambling. lot of gamba websites gamifying trading to just betting on a coin price.




you can think of it however you like, but the fact that you agreed to those ToS, you can't complain that they are unfair later if they follow them.

now, do i think they should refund your trade? yes. considering all the details, that would be the right thing to do, imo.

That's why I came here to ask for support, to show that these casinos cannot dodge responsibility without backlash.

I respect your decision as opposition, but just that they can do whatever they want according to their ToS; and they already compansated players, doesn't all of you turns out to be supporting of my case instead of opposition?

Regards.

DaveF,

I appreciate all your research and findings about my case.
I also appreciate your opposition view as I mentioned before.
It's not my right to ask you to review your decision since you are free to believe who is right or who is wrong.
However as I stated to exemplens, other people were paid because they were liquidated or stop-lossed.
The situation becomes much more complex with this evidence. Any ToS you are referring to is not valid in this case.

I got a rejection on compansation because my bet was not liquidated but it was still live.

Live meaning I was 200 usd close to liquidation which If i didn't cash out would total me 44000 USD loss instead of 39000.

Mind you I was on profit before the maintenance happened and was at 36000 loss when it ended. You can check the timeline.

My asking is to get compansated and treated just like people who got liquidated because I was already almost liquidated at that point with no turning back.

I am no different than a person who got compansated. They are trying to dodge this because of the amount of money.

When I asked them what compansation or reimbursement policies are according to them, I got muted on chat 44000 days.

Please try to put yourself in my shoes before opposing.

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Note to owlcatz; I do not respect your opinion because you didn't give me any explanation on your opposition.

Hello exemplens; I opened 3 threads which makes it a lot more complex, I was in a bad state of mind during the week of the event due to loss of my mother. Everything seems to be more complex, when I look back now. Here is the mail from Rollbit Compliance Team way back, with proof people were paid; unlike DaveF's findings of statements about ToS. If my amount of was no biggie, I would probably be compansated as well, as you can see a 900 usd trade of mine was compansated fully on my original thread.

Mails:




This mail is the predecessor of the final mail I published in My Final Message thread. Just so you all know.

In this way, everything sounds much more complex. You would have to find a case similar to yours, where another user was paid under approximately the same conditions. If there is such a case, then you should state it in your explanations of the reason for the flag.

Hello examplens,

Thanks for your explanation on your view of the case. You are free to be neutral about it. Mind you, why I ask for support or opposition was because I don’t believe them paying the other people and not me is right; and this is considered scam.

Thanks.

Someone pointed out to me that what I posted comes off looking a little like blaming the victim, that is not what I intended.

I was trying to make the point that the T&C are so bad that even if you are 100% right according to the T&C it does not matter. That's not being a victim that is getting into a really bad deal. But, for the most part, it's the only deal out there.

I don't gamble much online, but when I do it's not with ones who are based out of Curaçao. Others are not much better, it's like getting hit with a wooden bat instead of a lead pipe, still going to ruin your day just hopefully not as much.

Personally, and this is just me, I would like to see us as a group stop helping people who are using places with bad rules. Just point out the rules are bad and that there are other better places to gamble and move on.

But same with the trading. You can use Coinbase or Gemini (who have their own set of issues) and know there are people you can call to complain to when you have a problem or you can go to Bob's Crypto Exchange and Used Cars and hope for the best.

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Once again, a bit OT but it makes the point and this is out of my own personal life. No I head about it or I read about it this was me and a couple of friends. Now, the main point is I live in New York. NY has the New York Department Of Financial Services. They regulate banks and other financial services in NY. They have no mercy. If you are a financial institution and screw up they will ruin your day. Now, because of that some banks and other places will not do business here. So.....

Dave and 2 friends were on vacation together. All 3 of us had a credit card compromised at the same location. (Skimmer / chip cloned) all 3 of us got the run around from our banks because it was a somewhat funky way it happened. After 2 weeks of BS I went online, filed a complaint with NYDFS and got a call back from my bank the next day and the case closed in my favor the next day. The other 2 one of which was in New Jersey had to wait and wait and wait and deal with a ton more BS then I did. So, yes I do like my 'heavily regulated, anti-business, state' it makes my life easier.

-Dave

OP, how important is it to you to get the opinion of other DT members, I decided to give neither opposition nor support.
DaveF already explained that Rollbit covered such cases through their TOS, and no matter how cheesy it sounds, in your case, their responsibility does not exist according to their terms of use.
I also cannot oppose, it because I do not support avoiding responsibility in this way, not only from Rollbit.

It is still completely unclear to me, why someone decides to use a gambling platform for trading.

14.1 is vague, but IMO the way I read it it basically says in terms of the website "we are not responsible if we screw up and we are not responsible if you screw up"
20.1 is their total get out of responsibility clause.

I'm not saying giving other people back their money and not you is right.
I'm not saying you should not be angry.

What I am saying to you, and others, is these places all have T&C that are draconian in how they state they have no responsibility for anything, and that they don't have to do anything they don't want to.

At some point in time there is going to have to be a reckoning either we accept it's the wild west and the people running these sites can do what they want.

OR

Laws and regulations and restrictions and other things are going to have to happen and people using these sites are going to have to submit to KYC and other things and the sites will have to have regulators watching over them.

Otherwise things like this are going to keep happening.


Brutally honestly, I have been meaning to post something like this for a while, this AM when I saw your post I did a quick look and saw that yes it's another Curaçao casino.
Want to know the best reason not to use them,  Curaçao is part of the ABC islands.  Aruba, Bonaire and Curaçao.

From their T&C 6.1:

Or to put it another way. "We are so scummy we don't want local people using us because they can actually do something about it"

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A bit OT but it makes the point, Native American casinos here in the USA for the most part are on tribal land. Unlike casinos in Nevada or New Jersey or other locations that have the state run agencies that monitor the casinos most Native American casinos are regulated by the tribe, you know the people making the money. Slot machine malfunctions sorry you loose. Dealer miscounts your payout, sorry the payout was correct and so on. There are many many many reports of this in the smaller casinos that make the local news and at times public opinion forces them to make it right. More times then not, the player gets screwed.

If you want to gamble and there is no other option I can see going to one of them. But, you can drive 90 minutes in 1 direction and go to a Native American casino or drive 90 minutes in the other direction and go to a more regulated one then if you go to the tribal one then well if something goes wrong that's on you. It's not a secret and it hurts the legitimate casinos run by tribes.

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Anyway, the point is that the Nevada Gaming Control Board or the NJ Casino Control Commission take away a lot of freedom of what the casinos can do / what they can offer. But, players know that if there is an issue you can go to an external regulating body and hopefully get some satisfaction.

Here with issues like yours and ones others are having, you have no where to go. Sooner or later, something is going to have to give. Be it regulation or just a mass exodus of users to regulated places.

-Dave

Hello Dave,

First of all; I would like to thank you for your time for research and giving your opinion on the matter; not only opposed and didn’t give your opinion like the other DT member did.



What I read here says Rollbit does not guarantee that the website will not operate without faults or error. On the next sentence it says that they do not accept liability for any failures or issues that arise due to yourequipment, internet connection etc….

- It is easily seen that the sentences are seperated from each other and there is no saying that rollbit is not liable in the case on their OWN issues unlike your statement.




Dave, it seems like you haven’t read the part that Rollbit reimbursed everyone who got liquidated and stoplossed during this sudden maintenence. Hence they already know they are at fault. Why did Rollbit compansate these people if you read and understand that they are not liable in an accident caused by theirselves.



I thank you for your research and giving your opinion. However as said, Rollbit compansated people and the flag is opened because I believe I have no difference than those people who got compansated ; just one thing different, my bet was live when the maintenance finished. It was live and 300 usd away from liquidation with me on 36000 USD loss. I don’t think you understand what this flag is about or Rollbit already accepted they are at fault in this maintenance hence these 2 quotes from T&S show nothing for their defense.

Anyways, thanks for actually replying unlike owlcatz.

Opposed.

1) The T&C of the site can more or less be boiled down to "We are not responsible for anything" in terms of outages so they are in the clear for that. I am in an excluded region so I had to jump through some hoops to find it. But: from 14.1


And

from 20.1

2) It's the internet, things can and will go wrong. If you are making trades worth that much money then you have to be prepared for things like this. Even what would be deemed "real" large financial trading sites. Schwab, E*Trade, whoever, all have the same attitude. If you have something open and you loose access to the site be it our fault or your fault and during the outage the trade closes that's on you not us. More or less standard in the trading world.

So with those things in mind, I have to oppose it.

Rollbit can make the OP whole if they want to, but IMO are under no obligation to do so.

-Dave

I have posted this in scam accusations, however after looking; I think this place is a better place to share this hence the Rollbit’s reputation should be questioned after this event that had happened to me.

Here is the accusation threads:

1- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5520613
2- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rollbit-this-is-my-final-message-5523265

Here is the Flag:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3356

Support or Oppose;

I need your help against fraud and scam.

Help me raise my voice. Tomorrow it will be you in my place if you don’t.

With love.