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Hello holydarkness,

Thanks for your detailed answer; he actually messaged me why he supported. If you want I can send you info.

This is why I was expecting an explanation, however your explanation enlightened my knowledge about DT members. I seriously didn’t know many things you have said accordingly.

Here is the image he sent me explanation;



Regards.

Edit: Also, many almost all of the supporters gave their reasoning for support. Just to note, not trying to discuss.


Nope, that'll be a bad idea. Private message are meant to be that: private. Don't share a PM without the sender's consent. It'll put you on a very uhh... interesting situation if that sender happen to be someone... with a lot of time to spare.

The point of my message was just that, at the bottom of my post, that it shouldn't be your main focus, that DT has their own politics and "tribunal". Inferred,  people are allowed to support or oppose without having to explain themselves all and each of the time they voted. If they show repetitive questionable calls, other DTs will jump in. Leave that be.


Okay holydarkness, thanks for your insight about the situation; I guess still no explanation about the topic? Correct?
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Hello holydarkness,

Thanks for your detailed answer; he actually messaged me why he supported. If you want I can send you info.

This is why I was expecting an explanation, however your explanation enlightened my knowledge about DT members. I seriously didn’t know many things you have said accordingly.

Here is the image he sent me explanation;



Regards.

Edit: Also, many almost all of the supporters gave their reasoning for support. Just to note, not trying to discuss.


Nope, that'll be a bad idea. Private message are meant to be that: private. Don't share a PM without the sender's consent. It'll put you on a very uhh... interesting situation if that sender happen to be someone... with a lot of time to spare.

The point of my message was just that, at the bottom of my post, that it shouldn't be your main focus, that DT has their own politics and "tribunal". Inferred,  people are allowed to support or oppose without having to explain themselves all and each of the time they voted. If they show repetitive questionable calls, other DTs will jump in. Leave that be.
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Hello holydarkness,

Thanks for your detailed answer; he actually messaged me why he supported. If you want I can send you info.

This is why I was expecting an explanation, however your explanation enlightened my knowledge about DT members. I seriously didn’t know many things you have said accordingly.

Here is the image he sent me explanation;



Regards.

Edit: Also, many almost all of the supporters gave their reasoning for support. Just to note, not trying to discuss.
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These interesting drama aside, allow me to make it a bit more understandable why there is a very low traction on the support/opposition of the flag [with my reason being a different case as I've explained about me abstaining], and that horseradish situation, of why "everyone is scared of flagging people who have high power in this platform".
 
If I may broaden the term "flagging" here into "taking action" instead of the literal "flag", then factually speaking, no. We've been placing negative tags to casinos every now and then when there were a worrisome length of silence that led us to believe the casino will not reply and dealing with them poses a monetary risk. In fact, Rollbit had some in the past. BC. TrustDice. I believe many casinos did had their fair share of being tagged by DTs in the past. I think I can pull some history of posts stating that DTs tagging Rollbit in the past for their inaction, if that's necessary.

Narrowing it down to "flag" in literal term, flags are seen as a more complex and drastic measures of the forum. To take action to a flag, the voters affirm to a set of facts provided in the narrative to be true. My guess, the reason not many DT support or oppose it is because they're more or less in the same position where I stood, that they're wearing OP's shoes and Rollbit's glasses.

They understand both sides, thus opposing or supporting is not ideal. I believe examplen's explanation covered what majority of what the overseers think that contributes to the low traction of the flag.

So yeah, not exactly a horseradish, simply doing the usual heavy call and fair judgment that's need to be exercised by DTs. Lest we abuse our power.

Taking it a bit further, OP, If I may brush a little bit about explanation, in other thread, where owlcatz's opposition without explanation received such response,

[...]
Anyways, thanks for actually replying unlike owlcatz.

[...]
Note to owlcatz; I do not respect your opinion because you didn't give me any explanation on your opposition.

shouldn't you also inquired Lachrymose's support? As it's also without explanation.

Why an opposition require such scrutinization while support left unaddressed? If someone [a DT, since if we talk outside DTs, then the list of people who need to explain themselves grew larger] need to explain to you why they oppose your flag, wouldn't it only fair if you also asked for the reason why people support it?

The point I am trying to convey about DT's explanation here is that to leave it alone. DT has their own politics that's a headache by itself. You don't need to trouble yourself with why a DT support this flag or oppose the other flag. Being in DT bear a heavy burden of being in the spotlight and being scrutinized on each and every of their action.

If the fellow DTs think a DT support or oppose without a valid reason, or keep showing a poor judgment capability, that DT will quite likely being questioned. With or without you demanding a specific DT to explain themselves.

I am not condemning you for inquiring owlcatz, just... want to let you know that it might be a thing that shouldn't be on your focus... in excessive way.
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Merited by holydarkness (2) for someone confronting that he is from a banned region. I will leave the rest to yourself.

The holydarkness at least went to lenghts to help OP, the AHOYBRAUSE however did nothing but try to shame OP and derail the topic.  OP and I have messaged a bit on his mental wellbeing, I know more in how shitty his life situation is and he apologized for his harsh behavior at the front. Do you know what does men do, accept apologies and move on.  Seems like you don’t want to contniue the topic. However as ahoybrause supported op in the front of the thread,  i cannot see anything but to try to oppose him now. Which seems suspiciuous imho.
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AHOYBRAUSE

What do you mean by your final text?OP apologized and you still shame his ask for hilarious.  What is hilarious is you try every way to change this topic.

Hilarious =

- you clearly oppose rollbit but don’t vote
- you lack humanity to degree to mock someone’s grieving
- you mock op while not commenting on holydarkness’ threat to op
- you give behavior advice while acting like child
- you are clearly holydarkness’ friend but seem like you are not


Btw,   I dont see where op mocks holydarkness in your quoted reply; he is just sorry no one cares about him.

Grow a pair, man up; and act like a man, not a child.




2. [you've acknowledge this yourself, so this is kinda just a formal confirmation] you're from France, which is a prohibited teritory and violation of such allows them to sanction your account?


Just my 2 cents on this matter about region and so on.
Being from a banned region can't be the cause here, 100% not.
I am from Germany ( also banned) , there are hundreds or thousands German players at stake ( you can see in the stake chat as well). If you registered a while ago it's ok to play from a "banned" region, you just won't be able to make a new account from these areas.
I know it sounds strange and doesn't make any sense but that's how stake handles this matter.

My account is verified with a German address, even though I live in Japan but that doesn't matter, and I never had any problem with that.



Merited by holydarkness (2) for someone confronting that he is from a banned region. I will leave the rest to yourself.
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AHOYBRAUSE

What do you mean by your final text?OP apologized and you still shame his ask for hilarious.  What is hilarious is you try every way to change this topic.

Hilarious =

- you clearly oppose rollbit but don’t vote
- you lack humanity to degree to mock someone’s grieving
- you mock op while not commenting on holydarkness’ threat to op
- you give behavior advice while acting like child
- you are clearly holydarkness’ friend but seem like you are not


Btw,   I dont see where op mocks holydarkness in your quoted reply; he is just sorry no one cares about him.

Grow a pair, man up; and act like a man, not a child.
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Hello; Merry Christmas man!

I am sorry about your situation with Razer and Rollbit. I don’t know the details of your case enough to comment on it, so all I can say is I am sorry about what you have gone through. (I imagine you lost some significant amount of money)

Your description of Razer seems correct to my view.

Sadly it seems like he doesn’t own up to his sites mistakes, and giving the amount of money at stake; they are trying to dodge this case with zero evidence and back up which a monkey can even decide on it.

Very sad that things have turned out this way.

Seems like people are refraining from opposing Razer; which seems off.

If I was a legendary or hero member on DT, this case would have got 20 Support from DTs. This shows how trustworthy this forum’s DT circle is.

Thanks for your support.

I already moved on with my losses, but for over a year, up until now I had walked away with a false sense of respect for Razer as a person. I actually respected the dude. That's what I do not like. I don't like being fooled like that in the slightest and I hope he stops putting up such a bullshit illusion about him caring for the community that he manages (If the paycheck was removed, he wouldn't be there, or at most use it as part of his portfolio to go to another gambling casino which will pay him).

I can't speak much on what happened to your situation either but I glanced at your original thread, (AND UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT YOU WERE NOT BEING DISRESPECTFUL TO THE TEAM IN THE ROLLBIT CHAT) I don't understand why they just muted you permanently like that for asking. As a casual person, The internet is a place with twisted stories as proven here time and time again. For that reason I can't really be for certain about the situation there if there was anything missing and etc. (Not accusing you, just saying in general) It is up to you to be honest and respectful, I understand the anger entirely though but try to not represent it. I hope the Rollbit mods remove that unfair mute if that is the case.

And I'm glad you seem to be improving, by apologizing to Holydarkness. He helped me with my situation when I was new with all this and he is a great person in this community and I'm glad to see him around to this day.

All I can really do for your case is hope for the best. I did see that one of the DT members have opposed your flag and I see that he has actually spent the time to try and look into your situation. Try to reason with him with good points while being polite. Don't make the same mistake of being disrespectful like many people on this forum. If there is no ending where you both can mutually agree then still respect the fact they spent some time trying to side with you.
(https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.64884527)


Well, I have seen it and replied to it.

To your adresses;

- I didn’t talk bad in chat or support; they can send proof here, I will send them 2000$.

- I will respect people who are genuine, I won’t respect people who act lower leveled people at forum like dogs.

- I have a long history with crypto and its people, probably longer than most of these DTs, and sadly know that people are not genuine and looking for their pockets.

- When I opened that flag, I knew I would get no support; everyone is scared of flagging people who have high power in this platform; I call these people horseradish.

- I know that Razer is not man enough to own up and pay for his mistakes. This will not go anywhere.

- My writings to holydarkness were because of frustration of my state of mind.

- I have multiple times said, I lost my mother during this accusation ; got no condolances from these people incl. holydarkness.

- I know who is genuine or not from now on.

- Won’t be in this forum in the near future, think about me like dead.

-

You should leave holydarkness out of this, as I have told you before. He is basically the only person in this forum that actively uses his own time to help people with casino disputes.
When you complained about him for no reason at all (I have read all of it) he no longer was interested in your case, and I totally understand that. Now blaming him for not getting condolences is straight up hilarious.

Sure your situation with rollbit is really bad, I am also not a fan of this site. But the behavior you showed in this forum is really bad, that's why you are getting no support. Let that sink in for a minute.


What behavior are you talking about here? A situation does not change because of a user’s actions. You either believe it’s a scam or not. The behavior which is wrong here is only you and your language.

What is hilarious is the lack of personal respect and dignity left around here. Which you can comment on as hilarious not my grieving.

I do not deserve the attitude you are giving towards me, you will face serious consequences if you satire about someones grieving face to face in real life. I think you are old enough to know that.



Let’s make the whole case about my attitude against holydarkness right? Continue de-railing the topic that how I got scammed and want my compansation. How old are you people, I guess you are on the young spectrum; if not, good luck in your life.

I apologized to holydarkness, and I don’t see any other bad attitude but my attitude against him at start. Big men apologize, big men accept sincere apologies.

Why don’t you act or reply on holydarkness’ final reply against me, even after I apologized. I am talking about you here. If you are so demanding on attitude, why don’t you comment on his behavior here;

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Three, I would really advise you that this is the last time you write my name in your case with a wording that put a shade that I am in Rollbit's side and their supporter. Perhaps it'll be better if you stopped mentioning my name at all. Lest you meet the other side of me [the username I choose actually has a "philosophical" nature in it, go figure] that will explain in details to the forum why this case should not be a case at all because factually and contractually you are not and should not be eligible for anything.

Might be wise to remind you that I roam this board every day, and I have a very strong memory, and when it failed to help me, I also have a notebook with full handwritten key-facts about cases I oversee.

Answer this.



To you,

Either a accusation is correct or not; you either support it or oppose it. If a behavior of an individual (your bestie) changes your view on an accusation, good luck in life. I don’t wish the very well for you as you laughed on my mother’s death.



I have achieved so much in life and went through 2 bankruptcies at young age, I have seen the worst of the people. But I haven’t seen people as cheap as here.

You cannot tell someone who is expecting condolonces ‘hilarious’.

I wasn’t expecting Razer to be flagged by a member account, I am not an imbecile. His paid guys would save him, just like it will happen in this case.

Good luck in real life with this behavior. Because you will need it.



So sad, what happened to Satoshi’s forum.
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Hello; Merry Christmas man!

I am sorry about your situation with Razer and Rollbit. I don’t know the details of your case enough to comment on it, so all I can say is I am sorry about what you have gone through. (I imagine you lost some significant amount of money)

Your description of Razer seems correct to my view.

Sadly it seems like he doesn’t own up to his sites mistakes, and giving the amount of money at stake; they are trying to dodge this case with zero evidence and back up which a monkey can even decide on it.

Very sad that things have turned out this way.

Seems like people are refraining from opposing Razer; which seems off.

If I was a legendary or hero member on DT, this case would have got 20 Support from DTs. This shows how trustworthy this forum’s DT circle is.

Thanks for your support.

I already moved on with my losses, but for over a year, up until now I had walked away with a false sense of respect for Razer as a person. I actually respected the dude. That's what I do not like. I don't like being fooled like that in the slightest and I hope he stops putting up such a bullshit illusion about him caring for the community that he manages (If the paycheck was removed, he wouldn't be there, or at most use it as part of his portfolio to go to another gambling casino which will pay him).

I can't speak much on what happened to your situation either but I glanced at your original thread, (AND UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT YOU WERE NOT BEING DISRESPECTFUL TO THE TEAM IN THE ROLLBIT CHAT) I don't understand why they just muted you permanently like that for asking. As a casual person, The internet is a place with twisted stories as proven here time and time again. For that reason I can't really be for certain about the situation there if there was anything missing and etc. (Not accusing you, just saying in general) It is up to you to be honest and respectful, I understand the anger entirely though but try to not represent it. I hope the Rollbit mods remove that unfair mute if that is the case.

And I'm glad you seem to be improving, by apologizing to Holydarkness. He helped me with my situation when I was new with all this and he is a great person in this community and I'm glad to see him around to this day.

All I can really do for your case is hope for the best. I did see that one of the DT members have opposed your flag and I see that he has actually spent the time to try and look into your situation. Try to reason with him with good points while being polite. Don't make the same mistake of being disrespectful like many people on this forum. If there is no ending where you both can mutually agree then still respect the fact they spent some time trying to side with you.
(https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.64884527)


Well, I have seen it and replied to it.

To your adresses;

- I didn’t talk bad in chat or support; they can send proof here, I will send them 2000$.

- I will respect people who are genuine, I won’t respect people who act lower leveled people at forum like dogs.

- I have a long history with crypto and its people, probably longer than most of these DTs, and sadly know that people are not genuine and looking for their pockets.

- When I opened that flag, I knew I would get no support; everyone is scared of flagging people who have high power in this platform; I call these people horseradish.

- I know that Razer is not man enough to own up and pay for his mistakes. This will not go anywhere.

- My writings to holydarkness were because of frustration of my state of mind.

- I have multiple times said, I lost my mother during this accusation ; got no condolances from these people incl. holydarkness.

- I know who is genuine or not from now on.

- Won’t be in this forum in the near future, think about me like dead.

-

You should leave holydarkness out of this, as I have told you before. He is basically the only person in this forum that actively uses his own time to help people with casino disputes.
When you complained about him for no reason at all (I have read all of it) he no longer was interested in your case, and I totally understand that. Now blaming him for not getting condolences is straight up hilarious.

Sure your situation with rollbit is really bad, I am also not a fan of this site. But the behavior you showed in this forum is really bad, that's why you are getting no support. Let that sink in for a minute.
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December 25, 2024, 07:36:58 PM
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Hello; Merry Christmas man!

I am sorry about your situation with Razer and Rollbit. I don’t know the details of your case enough to comment on it, so all I can say is I am sorry about what you have gone through. (I imagine you lost some significant amount of money)

Your description of Razer seems correct to my view.

Sadly it seems like he doesn’t own up to his sites mistakes, and giving the amount of money at stake; they are trying to dodge this case with zero evidence and back up which a monkey can even decide on it.

Very sad that things have turned out this way.

Seems like people are refraining from opposing Razer; which seems off.

If I was a legendary or hero member on DT, this case would have got 20 Support from DTs. This shows how trustworthy this forum’s DT circle is.

Thanks for your support.

I already moved on with my losses, but for over a year, up until now I had walked away with a false sense of respect for Razer as a person. I actually respected the dude. That's what I do not like. I don't like being fooled like that in the slightest and I hope he stops putting up such a bullshit illusion about him caring for the community that he manages (If the paycheck was removed, he wouldn't be there, or at most use it as part of his portfolio to go to another gambling casino which will pay him).

I can't speak much on what happened to your situation either but I glanced at your original thread, (AND UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT YOU WERE NOT BEING DISRESPECTFUL TO THE TEAM IN THE ROLLBIT CHAT) I don't understand why they just muted you permanently like that for asking. As a casual person, The internet is a place with twisted stories as proven here time and time again. For that reason I can't really be for certain about the situation there if there was anything missing and etc. (Not accusing you, just saying in general) It is up to you to be honest and respectful, I understand the anger entirely though but try to not represent it. I hope the Rollbit mods remove that unfair mute if that is the case.

And I'm glad you seem to be improving, by apologizing to Holydarkness. He helped me with my situation when I was new with all this and he is a great person in this community and I'm glad to see him around to this day.

All I can really do for your case is hope for the best. I did see that one of the DT members have opposed your flag and I see that he has actually spent the time to try and look into your situation. Try to reason with him with good points while being polite. Don't make the same mistake of being disrespectful like many people on this forum. If there is no ending where you both can mutually agree then still respect the fact they spent some time trying to side with you.
(https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.64884527)


Well, I have seen it and replied to it.

To your adresses;

- I didn’t talk bad in chat or support; they can send proof here, I will send them 2000$.

- I will respect people who are genuine, I won’t respect people who act lower leveled people at forum like dogs.

- I have a long history with crypto and its people, probably longer than most of these DTs, and sadly know that people are not genuine and looking for their pockets.

- When I opened that flag, I knew I would get no support; everyone is scared of flagging people who have high power in this platform; I call these people horseradish.

- I know that Razer is not man enough to own up and pay for his mistakes. This will not go anywhere.

- My writings to holydarkness were because of frustration of my state of mind.

- I have multiple times said, I lost my mother during this accusation ; got no condolances from these people incl. holydarkness.

- I know who is genuine or not from now on.

- Won’t be in this forum in the near future, think about me like dead.

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December 25, 2024, 05:13:09 PM
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Hello; Merry Christmas man!

I am sorry about your situation with Razer and Rollbit. I don’t know the details of your case enough to comment on it, so all I can say is I am sorry about what you have gone through. (I imagine you lost some significant amount of money)

Your description of Razer seems correct to my view.

Sadly it seems like he doesn’t own up to his sites mistakes, and giving the amount of money at stake; they are trying to dodge this case with zero evidence and back up which a monkey can even decide on it.

Very sad that things have turned out this way.

Seems like people are refraining from opposing Razer; which seems off.

If I was a legendary or hero member on DT, this case would have got 20 Support from DTs. This shows how trustworthy this forum’s DT circle is.

Thanks for your support.

I already moved on with my losses, but for over a year, up until now I had walked away with a false sense of respect for Razer as a person. I actually respected the dude. That's what I do not like. I don't like being fooled like that in the slightest and I hope he stops putting up such a bullshit illusion about him caring for the community that he manages (If the paycheck was removed, he wouldn't be there, or at most use it as part of his portfolio to go to another gambling casino which will pay him).

I can't speak much on what happened to your situation either but I glanced at your original thread, (AND UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT YOU WERE NOT BEING DISRESPECTFUL TO THE TEAM IN THE ROLLBIT CHAT) I don't understand why they just muted you permanently like that for asking. As a casual person, The internet is a place with twisted stories as proven here time and time again. For that reason I can't really be for certain about the situation there if there was anything missing and etc. (Not accusing you, just saying in general) It is up to you to be honest and respectful, I understand the anger entirely though but try to not represent it. I hope the Rollbit mods remove that unfair mute if that is the case.

And I'm glad you seem to be improving, by apologizing to Holydarkness. He helped me with my situation when I was new with all this and he is a great person in this community and I'm glad to see him around to this day.

All I can really do for your case is hope for the best. I did see that one of the DT members have opposed your flag and I see that he has actually spent the time to try and look into your situation. Try to reason with him with good points while being polite. Don't make the same mistake of being disrespectful like many people on this forum. If there is no ending where you both can mutually agree then still respect the fact they spent some time trying to side with you.
(https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.64884527)
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December 25, 2024, 08:54:50 AM
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Did holydarkness reach out about this topic OP? I want to know if rollbit solve this incident I am a big RLB holder and Rollbot, if razer dont pay; this is a bad news for your holders.
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December 25, 2024, 08:45:26 AM
#22
I used to be apart of Rollbit's awesome community since late 2021, (Inac for 1 year but still). Unfortunately Razer is a soulless corporate piece of shit. I had many amazing friends, and I contributed and provided a ton of great value to the Rollbit community, even some of their staff which I watched them grow from when they were normal community members were saddened about me being banned from their site.

I'm not going to argue or discuss my case regarding the money I lost from Rollbit (It was all gained legitimately, none of the shenanigans like the usual case that gets posted here on the forums) as I believe that in his defense it is fair, no hate to Razer for that. It's just the fact that he literally has no feelings, or true "Care" regarding Rollbit as a platform nor its community members while he always consistently pretends to. It's like a "facade". I don't support or trust people who are like that and I'm definitely not going to continue supporting someone like him. I really did highly respect the man and thought Razer truly cared about the people. At the end of the day, he seems to only care about the $ that he's earning.

Because of him just seemingly ignoring everything, I'm barred from all the people that considered me a friend or noted me in the community. I truly miss all the amazing people that made the Rollbit community what it is. Rollbit is still a great site regardless, I don't hate or have any distaste for the Rollbit website and community as a whole and if I had a "second chance" I would definitely return. But up until now I've never spoken harshly of Razer, it's been a year and a couple months now so.

I'm sorry you went through such a loss and hopefully by some miracle you get your money back. I've supported your flag.

Merry christmas BTW

Hello; Merry Christmas man!

I am sorry about your situation with Razer and Rollbit. I don’t know the details of your case enough to comment on it, so all I can say is I am sorry about what you have gone through. (I imagine you lost some significant amount of money)

Your description of Razer seems correct to my view.

Sadly it seems like he doesn’t own up to his sites mistakes, and giving the amount of money at stake; they are trying to dodge this case with zero evidence and back up which a monkey can even decide on it.

Very sad that things have turned out this way.

Seems like people are refraining from opposing Razer; which seems off.

If I was a legendary or hero member on DT, this case would have got 20 Support from DTs. This shows how trustworthy this forum’s DT circle is.

Thanks for your support.

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December 25, 2024, 03:30:38 AM
#21
I used to be apart of Rollbit's awesome community since late 2021, (Inac for 1 year but still). Unfortunately Razer is a soulless corporate piece of shit. I had many amazing friends, and I contributed and provided a ton of great value to the Rollbit community, even some of their staff which I watched them grow from when they were normal community members were saddened about me being banned from their site.

I'm not going to argue or discuss my case regarding the money I lost from Rollbit (It was all gained legitimately, none of the shenanigans like the usual case that gets posted here on the forums) as I believe that in his defense it is fair, no hate to Razer for that. It's just the fact that he literally has no feelings, or true "Care" regarding Rollbit as a platform nor its community members while he always consistently pretends to. It's like a "facade". I don't support or trust people who are like that and I'm definitely not going to continue supporting someone like him. I really did highly respect the man and thought Razer truly cared about the people. At the end of the day, he seems to only care about the $ that he's earning.

Because of him just seemingly ignoring everything, I'm barred from all the people that considered me a friend or noted me in the community. I truly miss all the amazing people that made the Rollbit community what it is. Rollbit is still a great site regardless, I don't hate or have any distaste for the Rollbit website and community as a whole and if I had a "second chance" I would definitely return. But up until now I've never spoken harshly of Razer, it's been a year and a couple months now so.

I'm sorry you went through such a loss and hopefully by some miracle you get your money back. I've supported your flag.

Merry christmas BTW
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December 23, 2024, 09:04:15 AM
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Hello thanks for your detailed answer Holydarkness, I will reply to your reply point by point.


The more major reason I kept my silence is because I noticed that you have two tendencies:

1. You'll praise [over-praise, if I may speak freely] people who take your side, and when they shifted their "alliance" or give a doubt of you, you'll [I can only describe it as] throw tantrum at them. I believe it's safe to say I am a very good living proof and case on point. I can give you another perfect example if you want, just from the top of my head.

Not trying to patronize you here, nor it related to your case, a mere two cents from me; stop. You're a grown man. That attitude [merriam-webster have a good word to perfectly describe this thing, but I'll refrain from using it] will bring you nowhere, at least here, in the world called reality.

2. Hovering. Or whatever terms that fits the description better where one think the world revolves around him, so things should be done and people should bid their time for that person.

I won't pretend I know how old you are, I somehow have a feeling that you're several years above me, regardless of the behavior you show us. What I know is that you need a reality check: we, a species called homo sapiens, or human, in common terms, and all of the animals and the plants, live in a round rock with gravitational force that keep its populants from flying freely in space. That rock, called Earth, revolves around one of the star in Milky Way system called Sun. In Eridanus term, we revolve around Theta Eridani, the star. Not the other way round, and definitely Eridanus did not revolve around one specific being.


For your 1 - Everyone is entitled to do whatever they want right? Just like you freely decided to watch and see my topic. I also wanted and will praise whoever supports me on my case because someone supporting you without any benefit (hard to find in internet and especially in places like this.) and helps you raise your voice deserves praising; even tough I don't believe this is the right word for it. I am waiting for you to show a person that has given doubt on me until now excluding our conversation between in this thread.

For your 2 - I have lived so much and endured so much pain in my life that I know nothing revolves around me. If it seemed like that, I am sorry for my actions. However, nice comparison with eridanus Smiley.

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That two factors lead me to think that the best approach for your case is to wait and see.

And... I respect that, I gave example as you since you ignored my threads with no answer.

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As I mentioned on the earlier paragraph, though, it does not translate as me closing my eyes. I simply wait [and ignore all of the jabs you throw at me] for Rollbit compliance team's conclusion. After that...



What I wrote [it's a very long message] should not concern you, nor be known. What I'll let you know, though, is that far as I remember, I've never go to that length with Rollbit [there is a big chance I remember wrongly, though] for someone. Especially one that... well, did what you done.


You are right on the tantrum and jabs which is a wrongdoing on my end; which I apologize.  However this does not change the fact of my case? I did say wrong things, I repeat; but you should put yourself in my shoes. Understand why I am angry at this situation and feeling ignored. Results with me throwing "jabs".

On your writing to Razer, I thank you for at least trying again; and I can't thank enough, considering you don't like me and still are trying to help when you are not entitled to do so. I appreciate you for going to this length with Rollbit, for someone like me, as you say. Thanks for it.

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I'll also let you know three other things:

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One, that is my last attempt for you. Regardless of what Razer said, or if he didn't respond at all, that's it and that's all. I will do no more thing, I will go back to my silence, and I will simply observe. No other action at all. I've done what I can. Don't ask for more.

I respect your choice to not interact furtherly.

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Two, I will not support or oppose the flag. It does not translates as I supporting Rollbit or thinking you're wrong here. If that concept seems alien to you, we don't live in the world of black and white, a yes and a no. There are grays and maybes. We don't support, we don't oppose. We simply abstained. Me personally, because --as I repetitively say-- I can understand both sides. I've walk in your shoes and see through their glasses.

Whatever outburst you'll have after reading that paragraphs above, about it means I am supporting Rollbit , feel free to do it. Watch for your blood pressure, though.


Where did I say, "Holydarkness you must support or oppose" ? You are, was and will be free to do whatever you want. I did not outburst in any topic relating to this. My outburst was on you not answering anything suddenly. Which seemed like the case was over. That is what I am and was angry at. You can pick to be neutral on this case and any other case; but please don't invalidate a case because you don't like the accuser.

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Supporting your flag would betray my belief that Rollbit are not 100% guilty here, and opposing your flag would betray my belief that you were in tight position [ignoring the preventive measures you can actually do]. In other words, taking any action to the flag you raised will be an abuse of my DT power.

Feel free to twist my abstaining into "supporting" rollbit because I somehoe can understand them with "no proof", or other words you can freely recycle from your past posts, that "those who stay silence" or "close their eyes" or whatever that is you wrote in the past to justify your view that anyone that is not in your side and/or stays silence is the bad actors. I can't and will not keep you from saying whatever you want [well, with one exception as written on the point number 3 below].

I respect your opinion and this is the first time you reply anything about my flag.

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Three, I would really advise you that this is the last time you write my name in your case with a wording that put a shade that I am in Rollbit's side and their supporter. Perhaps it'll be better if you stopped mentioning my name at all. Lest you meet the other side of me [the username I choose actually has a "philosophical" nature in it, go figure] that will explain in details to the forum why this case should not be a case at all because factually and contractually you are not and should not be eligible for anything.

Might be wise to remind you that I roam this board every day, and I have a very strong memory, and when it failed to help me, I also have a notebook with full handwritten key-facts about cases I oversee.

I don't like this last paragraph, and won't reply in the same writing manner. I don't like it because it's offensive. However, as I also did write offensive stuff; kudos. However with this type of writing we will go no where but engage in back and forth accusations. Mind you that I mentioned your name many times for you to answer my thread and stop ignoring me. I got my answers today and won't use your name again, not because of your final paragraph but because I am a smart individual, unlike you believe. Won't engage in discussions with no meaning.  I know I was at wrong in the writing style but this is wrong as well.

Thanks for your answer holydarkness; and I will be waiting for hopefully a miracle.

Thanks for your interest in helping me.

Regards.



For last words to the readers;

I respect everyone's decision to support or oppose as I already opened a topic named this for asking for help to activate that flag. You can see the title as "Support or Oppose" ; not "Support". However I will not accept people who try to derail, I repeat DERAIL not "OPPOSE" my accusation which will start to happen occasionally by paid accounts. This message is not to holydarkness but to people I just started to see today. I respect everyone's opinion.

As of today, I still stand by my every word against Rollbit and the elaborate scam done against my behalf. I also don't believe this is a solved case with this type of bulls2it reply mail they have sent to me; giving me past 5 trades as examples that I wouldn't stopped the trade when it was going down; sadly a site which gives trading as an option lacks professional enough employees who don't know these:

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1-While you mention that there was a site notification and a pinned message in the chat prior to the maintenance, I must emphasize that the timing of this maintenance was poorly executed. The fact that it occurred just minutes after I opened a significant position in a highly volatile market is concerning. Scheduled maintenance should ideally be communicated well in advance, particularly for a platform dealing with high-stakes trading where users rely on immediate access to manage their positions effectively. The world's most idiot person even won't open this position if they have seen your so called maintenance alert, you liars.

2- The assertion that the maintenance had little effect on the overall outcome of my position does not take into account the nature of leveraged trading, where even minor fluctuations can lead to significant financial consequences. My position was left unmanageable during a critical time when the market was experiencing substantial volatility. The inability to access my account during this time directly contributed to my financial loss. I had no opportunity to mitigate my risk or adjust my position in response to the market conditions.

3- You indicated that I did not close my position or manage it during the downturn. However, I was effectively locked out of the trading platform during a pivotal moment, which is not a situation any trader should find themselves in. Even if I had a stop loss in place, the critical window of opportunity to adjust my strategy was taken away from me due to the platform's downtime. This lack of access is unacceptable for users engaging in high-leverage trading.

4- I understand from your response that you reviewed my trading history, including other positions where stop losses were used and not used. It is essential to recognize that each trade is a unique decision based on the market conditions and personal risk management strategies at that time. The fact that I have utilized stop losses in other trades demonstrates my awareness and intent to manage risk; however, the unforeseen maintenance during a volatile market negated my ability to do so in this instance. You have also not described, when I have put stop-losses; at the start or accordingly (for example the stop losses I put while I am on green or manual stops.). You only handpicked and found (sarcasm) 5-6 trades out of 165 that fits your agenda and shoved them at my face for proof. You idiots.

5- I believe it is reasonable to request a reimbursement or compensation for the losses incurred due to the maintenance incident. While I understand that not every loss can be reimbursed, the circumstances surrounding this particular event were exceptional, and a fair resolution should reflect that. As you mentioned, other users who were liquidated during this event received compensation; I believe my situation warrants similar consideration given the constraints imposed by the maintenance.

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Yes, I'm an asshole
December 23, 2024, 04:22:35 AM
#19
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I know that many people have seen this matter, incl. @holydarkness who went silent which is also DT. [...]

Hhhhh...

Let's make things clear, because apparently [and surprisingly] I am tired of being mentioned again and again, used as a punching bag you use to vent up your frustration, painted as... well, those not-so-nice-words about me, and apparently became one of the focal point of this series of threads of yours due to my silence... in your yet-another vent up, where it seems [from what can be inferred from those post where my name being mentioned] it was my fault that this situation did not get resolved, because I remove myself from your case.

My silence and me removing myself from your case does not translate as me closing my eyes. Like other case where I even put the user on ignore, I still periodically read his posts in order to be sure I am updated, so I can reflect it to my list accordingly. That list is my duty to this forum, and I take it with all that entails.

Specifically speaking about your case, I completely remove myself after that... joyful word you "praised" me, is not just because it offend me. I have to have a thicker skin, selectively deaf ear, and sudden-random blindness to certain offensive and anger-venting posts if I want to keep contributing to this board, since people throw so many nasty words to me when the resolution did not go into their favor. So yeah, as much as it annoyed me, I got over it... mostly.

The more major reason I kept my silence is because I noticed that you have two tendencies:

1. You'll praise [over-praise, if I may speak freely] people who take your side, and when they shifted their "alliance" or give a doubt of you, you'll [I can only describe it as] throw tantrum at them. I believe it's safe to say I am a very good living proof and case on point. I can give you another perfect example if you want, just from the top of my head.

Not trying to patronize you here, nor it related to your case, a mere two cents from me; stop. You're a grown man. That attitude [merriam-webster have a good word to perfectly describe this thing, but I'll refrain from using it] will bring you nowhere, at least here, in the world called reality.

2. Hovering. Or whatever terms that fits the description better where one think the world revolves around him, so things should be done and people should bid their time for that person.

I won't pretend I know how old you are, I somehow have a feeling that you're several years above me, regardless of the behavior you show us. What I know is that you need a reality check: we, a species called homo sapiens, or human, in common terms, and all of the animals and the plants, live in a round rock with gravitational force that keep its populants from flying freely in space. That rock, called Earth, revolves around one of the star in Milky Way system called Sun. In Eridanus term, we revolve around Theta Eridani, the star. Not the other way round, and definitely Eridanus did not revolve around one specific being.

That two factors lead me to think that the best approach for your case is to wait and see.

As I mentioned on the earlier paragraph, though, it does not translate as me closing my eyes. I simply wait [and ignore all of the jabs you throw at me] for Rollbit compliance team's conclusion. After that...



What I wrote [it's a very long message] should not concern you, nor be known. What I'll let you know, though, is that far as I remember, I've never go to that length with Rollbit [there is a big chance I remember wrongly, though] for someone. Especially one that... well, did what you done.

I'll also let you know three other things:

One, that is my last attempt for you. Regardless of what Razer said, or if he didn't respond at all, that's it and that's all. I will do no more thing, I will go back to my silence, and I will simply observe. No other action at all. I've done what I can. Don't ask for more.

Two, I will not support or oppose the flag. It does not translates as I supporting Rollbit or thinking you're wrong here. If that concept seems alien to you, we don't live in the world of black and white, a yes and a no. There are grays and maybes. We don't support, we don't oppose. We simply abstained. Me personally, because --as I repetitively say-- I can understand both sides. I've walk in your shoes and see through their glasses.

Whatever outburst you'll have after reading that paragraphs above, about it means I am supporting Rollbit , feel free to do it. Watch for your blood pressure, though.

Supporting your flag would betray my belief that Rollbit are not 100% guilty here, and opposing your flag would betray my belief that you were in tight position [ignoring the preventive measures you can actually do]. In other words, taking any action to the flag you raised will be an abuse of my DT power.

Feel free to twist my abstaining into "supporting" rollbit because I somehoe can understand them with "no proof", or other words you can freely recycle from your past posts, that "those who stay silence" or "close their eyes" or whatever that is you wrote in the past to justify your view that anyone that is not in your side and/or stays silence is the bad actors. I can't and will not keep you from saying whatever you want [well, with one exception as written on the point number 3 below].

Three, I would really advise you that this is the last time you write my name in your case with a wording that put a shade that I am in Rollbit's side and their supporter. Perhaps it'll be better if you stopped mentioning my name at all. Lest you meet the other side of me [the username I choose actually has a "philosophical" nature in it, go figure] that will explain in details to the forum why this case should not be a case at all because factually and contractually you are not and should not be eligible for anything.

Might be wise to remind you that I roam this board every day, and I have a very strong memory, and when it failed to help me, I also have a notebook with full handwritten key-facts about cases I oversee.
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December 22, 2024, 09:58:44 AM
#18
You explained your case well and it's a not a case or rules violation or pending withdrawal.

Thanks for the solid brief for people viewing.

Thanks for your words and support!
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December 22, 2024, 08:58:48 AM
#17
Hello, thanks for your reply; and helping me raise my voice against this scam. I would appreciate your support, I already opened a flag against razer; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3356. If you believe you opening will garner more attention, go ahead; it would be awesome.

I know that many people have seen this matter, incl. @holydarkness who went silent which is also DT.

If you can help me share this to DT, it would be God’s Gift!

I supported your flag. Please go to this thread and ask DT members to support your flag https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5153445.500
Also, do not forget to refer them to your scam accusation thread and this thread. Also, try to explain a little bit in short why you created it and how they scammed you. Just because they have been here for a long time and have a solid reputation does not mean they can get away by doing anything. They seem careless every time. People use to do not support flag because the casino always had benefit of doubt because the player always does not tell the whole story. You explained your case well and it's a not a case or rules violation or pending withdrawal.


Hey! I have posted this 2 days ago;

User: Rollbit Razer
Profile: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/rollbit-razer-3261248
Flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3356
Flag type: 3
Reason: Money Stolen with Unlawful Act.
Please support or oppose which you think is better. Scammer has "No Nation, No Country, No Religion!"


Haven’t got anyone supporting or opposition from DT about this matter. I hope I will raise my voice with my supporters. Thanks for standing by the truth and supporting my flag!

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December 22, 2024, 07:54:48 AM
#16
Hello, thanks for your reply; and helping me raise my voice against this scam. I would appreciate your support, I already opened a flag against razer; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3356. If you believe you opening will garner more attention, go ahead; it would be awesome.

I know that many people have seen this matter, incl. @holydarkness who went silent which is also DT.

If you can help me share this to DT, it would be God’s Gift!

I supported your flag. Please go to this thread and ask DT members to support your flag https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5153445.500
Also, do not forget to refer them to your scam accusation thread and this thread. Also, try to explain a little bit in short why you created it and how they scammed you. Just because they have been here for a long time and have a solid reputation does not mean they can get away by doing anything. They seem careless every time. People use to do not support flag because the casino always had benefit of doubt because the player always does not tell the whole story. You explained your case well and it's a not a case or rules violation or pending withdrawal.
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December 22, 2024, 07:01:36 AM
#15
Agreed,

They should at least notify users with open positions or provide something that will protect user positions especially that their trading platform is focus on risky trading(leverage trading) while they do an unplanned maintenance.

I don’t follow this case but at least they should compensate the user that affected by their service disruption.


In defense, rollbit said that they pinned a notification on their website chat so users get notified. I don't think every player like to chat or pay attention to what happening in the chat. So, how your traders are going to know about your maintenance if you do not inform them via email? If OP creates a flag against them, I am going to support it even though my feedback or support does not matter much since I am not in the DT network. Rollbit should apologize for the inconvenience and they should credit the loss to the users, or they should receive negative feedback from the DT network.

I am going to step forward and tag them first.

Hello, thanks for your reply; and helping me raise my voice against this scam. I would appreciate your support, I already opened a flag against razer; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3356. If you believe you opening will garner more attention, go ahead; it would be awesome.

I know that many people have seen this matter, incl. @holydarkness who went silent which is also DT.

If you can help me share this to DT, it would be God’s Gift!

I have no words to say anymore about these people; after the reply from rollbit, which is utter bullshit.

If this topic does not get resolved, this will show how scam accusations are nonesense in this matter and If you don’t know one or two people; you are wasting time here.

Thanks for your support❤️
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