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Quote from: icoininternational on June 25, 2020, 06:00:56 AM

The one thing that is definitely new since June 2020 is the whitepaper. We have hired new people with good reputation who are helping us get this ICO back on its feet.

Please read it on icoin.ws.

Edit: for the people misunderstanding us: We are not against the negative trust ratings. We are against the false accusations in the comments made against us (That we are from spectresecurity.io or that we have scammed anyone. We have never scammed anyone nor do we know who spectresecurity.io is) - These accusations are ungrounded. we hope you understand.

I don't see here false accusation, you are plagiarised WP, and there is nothing false. Why you hire new people? Only because the old team just copy/paste someone's else work and portrayed him as yours?
Negative trust here serves as a warning to potential investors to know that you are also ready for some dishonourable actions to collect money from them. we often see various excuses, you didn't do it, a marketing agency which you hired they have not done their job and they are guilty of plagiarism ... at the end, it is your duty to pay attention to every detail of the project including whitepaper and team members pictures.
Maybe you really had no idea to scam on someone, but by this, you have shown unprofessionalism and a characteristic that bothers many projects, you are sloppy and do not pay attention to all the details.

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Just to jump in here guys Grin

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I have had a video chat with members of the team before. I have been shown documents such as utility bills with their names on it, drivers ID's, government issued mining licences, and the contracts with land owners and partners.

I guess I could go further and ask the government that issued the documents. (After all if the government documents weren't real the "team" would be (legally) in really hot water)

About me: A couple of months back I was scouted to be an ICO adviser for iCoin. They fell into a hole they dug for themselves with the whole plagarism and fake marketing services stuff and needed my consult on how to now get out. Of course, the scam accusation made me very sceptical but they always provided me all the extra evidence I asked from them.

I have worked with other projects who fell for bad ICO services before. One of my projects paid over 10 BTC to be listed on IDAX. IDAX gave them a few hours of listing time,
said the IEO was a success and that was it. To my knowledge, no funds withdrawal was ever made, . They even hired lawyers but its no use. But yeah, I agree with the posters here; iCoin should have been more careful. I hope this was a lesson well learnt. ICO world is full of bad apples.

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Quote from: icoininternational on June 25, 2020, 06:00:56 AM

Quote from: hulla on June 25, 2020, 05:23:09 AM

If you want to clear the air. I will advise you to correct the whitepaper that was plagiarised and privately provides the prove about the team to people like The Pharmacist/stompix/Suchmoon because some people are yet to believe the previous evidence you provided due to @The Pharmacist's message.
In the meantime, you have learned a pretty hard lesson and whenever you gave job to content writers or ICO services always cross-check their job.

The one thing that is definitely new since June 2020 is the whitepaper. We have hired new people with good reputation who are helping us get this ICO back on its feet.

Please read it on icoin.ws.

Edit: for the people misunderstanding us: We are not against the negative trust ratings. We are against the false accusations in the comments made against us (That we are from spectresecurity.io or that we have scammed anyone. We have never scammed anyone nor do we know who spectresecurity.io is) - These accusations are ungrounded. we hope you understand.

Now i understand your point. I need you to understand that crypto related project scam is done in assortments of ways and it not only project that robs investors/bounty hunter off their money are the only project to tag as scam, every project that is not honest in either through the roadmap, whitepaper or rewards etc can also be tag as scam project.

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Quote from: stompix on June 25, 2020, 04:48:16 AM

Quote from: icoininternational on June 24, 2020, 04:35:41 PM

We can schedule that, if you wish to talk to the team, should be no problem there....Here is some proof we already posted: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54672484

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The KYC pictures - We are using them for the KYC procedure on ICObench. They currently serve as placeholder purposes on other sites because we are trying to build the ICO up properly this time.
Some of the info on the site, ICObench and so on, is outdated or incorrect. We will be changing this soon.

If you still have doubts, feel free to schedule a video chat.

Schlomo is the modern Hebrew form of SOLOMON. It is the same.

Quote from: hulla on June 25, 2020, 05:23:09 AM

If you want to clear the air. I will advise you to correct the whitepaper that was plagiarised and privately provides the prove about the team to people like The Pharmacist/stompix/Suchmoon because some people are yet to believe the previous evidence you provided due to @The Pharmacist's message.
In the meantime, you have learned a pretty hard lesson and whenever you gave job to content writers or ICO services always cross-check their job.

The one thing that is definitely new since June 2020 is the whitepaper. We have hired new people with good reputation who are helping us get this ICO back on its feet.

Please read it on icoin.ws.

Edit: for the people misunderstanding us: We are not against the negative trust ratings. We are against the false accusations in the comments made against us (That we are from spectresecurity.io or that we have scammed anyone. We have never scammed anyone nor do we know who spectresecurity.io is) - These accusations are ungrounded. we hope you understand.

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Quote from: icoininternational on June 25, 2020, 03:15:17 AM

Quote from: suchmoon on June 24, 2020, 05:26:21 PM

Quote from: icoininternational on June 24, 2020, 04:21:00 PM

Most ICOs go into the world of ICOs with little forewarning about obscure "marketing" tactics of these "service providers".

If you're restarting it now - what happened to the original IEO and to the bounty campaign? Did you stiff bounty participants?

The bounty rewards will be given out after the restarted ICO has concluded. The IEO on Latoken has already finished but we have not sold all the tokens yet.

If you want to clear the air. I will advise you to correct the whitepaper that was plagiarised and privately provides the prove about the team to people like The Pharmacist/stompix/Suchmoon because some people are yet to believe the previous evidence you provided due to @The Pharmacist's message.
In the meantime, you have learned a pretty hard lesson and whenever you gave job to content writers or ICO services always cross-check their job.

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Quote from: icoininternational on June 24, 2020, 04:35:41 PM

We can schedule that, if you wish to talk to the team, should be no problem there....Here is some proof we already posted: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54672484

Actually your proof made me even more suspicious, and it's regarding this Solomon Bleier

In the archived page of your website you had a link to his LinkedIn account, now you've removed it
https://web.archive.org/web/20190806212136/https://icoin.ws/
https://archive.vn/c22VT

Why?
Is maybe because you realized the picture on his Linkedin account is the same as the one you provided as proof but cropped?
https://archive.vn/K99eq
So this senior, with 30 years of experience creates an account and he uses the same picture he obviously used for KYC on some other service?
Fishy...
Not to mention that the picture with him with his ID card doesn't read Solomon Bleier.

Second
The other team member of which you provided "proof" is Leopold Guttman
But what a surprise, in the archived version of your site, there is no Leopold Guttman:
https://web.archive.org/web/20190806212136/https://icoin.ws/
He suddenly popped up when you needed some proof of "real" team members.

Not going to say the team is entirely fake but it's suspicious enough to make me not trust a word from you.

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Quote from: suchmoon on June 24, 2020, 05:26:21 PM

Quote from: icoininternational on June 24, 2020, 04:21:00 PM

Most ICOs go into the world of ICOs with little forewarning about obscure "marketing" tactics of these "service providers".

If you're restarting it now - what happened to the original IEO and to the bounty campaign? Did you stiff bounty participants?

The bounty rewards will be given out after the restarted ICO has concluded. The IEO on Latoken has already finished but we have not sold all the tokens yet.

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Quote from: icoininternational on June 24, 2020, 03:43:42 PM

The responsible "professionals" who "helped" us with their "ICO services" will be held accountable by full extent of the law. We can assure you this.

That's all well and good, but good luck trying to convince anyone that someone else is to blame for what looks to be a typical case of plagiarism and identity theft, which is rampant within the ICO space.

As far as complaining about the feedback you got, I don't think you have a leg to stand on. The evidence was laid out in a pretty clear manner showing both plagiarism and using photos from the internet to represent team members. And even if you gave evidence that someone else screwed you over with those "ICO services" nobody is likely to care. You blew it.

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Quote from: icoininternational on June 24, 2020, 04:21:00 PM

Most ICOs go into the world of ICOs with little forewarning about obscure "marketing" tactics of these "service providers".

Please believe us, we would love nothing more than to have those spam comments deleted from our ANN. We would delete them if we could. If you take a look on our social media accounts. We have recently deleted these obviously fake commentators wherever we found them. We agree, its not a good look and not fooling anyone. We should not have taken these "ICO service providers" at their word when we first started our IEO. We will be restarting our ICO and we will not make this mistake again.

I find that hard to believe. The thread was up for a year. You could have reported that spam to moderators. In fact, someone did report those spammers - many of them are banned - but you didn't make any effort to clean up your thread.

If you're restarting it now - what happened to the original IEO and to the bounty campaign? Did you stiff bounty participants?

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Quote from: irfan_pak10 on June 24, 2020, 04:28:53 PM

Quote from: icoininternational on June 24, 2020, 04:21:00 PM

-snip-

I asked you something

Quote from: irfan_pak10 on June 24, 2020, 03:21:46 PM

Is there a possibility that your team can join a live chat with someone and provide all the proof?
-snip-

Yes, sorry. Must have skipped over that.

We can schedule that, if you wish to talk to the team, should be no problem there....Here is some proof we already posted: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54672484

Please be advised that if you wish to see the full mining contracts, personal information (like living residence) of the team or any other such detailled info, we will perhaps need you to provide KYC and sign a NDA.

Please contact us at [email protected] or on the forum to make plans for a meeting.

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Quote from: icoininternational on June 24, 2020, 04:21:00 PM

-snip-

I asked you something

Quote from: irfan_pak10 on June 24, 2020, 03:21:46 PM

Is there a possibility that your team can join a live chat with someone and provide all the proof?
-snip-

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Quote from: suchmoon on June 24, 2020, 04:00:51 PM

Quote from: icoininternational on June 24, 2020, 03:50:05 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on June 24, 2020, 03:48:02 PM

There might be ways for you to fix the reputation of your project but denying facts isn't one of them.

We want to find a way to make this right. We are not denying. If there is anything we can do, please send us a message. We appreciate the Bitcointalk community for taking their time to talk to us in a straight fashion.

How did you end up with bump-spammers in your thread?

Most ICOs go into the world of ICOs with little forewarning about obscure "marketing" tactics of these "service providers".

Please believe us, we would love nothing more than to have those spam comments deleted from our ANN. We would delete them if we could. If you take a look on our social media accounts. We have recently deleted these obviously fake commentators wherever we found them. We agree, its not a good look and not fooling anyone. We should not have taken these "ICO service providers" at their word when we first started our IEO. We will be restarting our ICO and we will not make this mistake again.

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Quote from: icoininternational on June 24, 2020, 03:50:05 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on June 24, 2020, 03:48:02 PM

There might be ways for you to fix the reputation of your project but denying facts isn't one of them.

We want to find a way to make this right. We are not denying. If there is anything we can do, please send us a message. We appreciate the Bitcointalk community for taking their time to talk to us in a straight fashion.

How did you end up with bump-spammers in your thread?

Quote from: irfan_pak10 on June 24, 2020, 03:21:46 PM

After going through your ANN, it seems you also bought from someone thread bumping services, which is also against forum rules [thanks to admin, all the members are banned but why not you who hired them in the first place?], again unprofessional behaviors.

That sort of thing doesn't happen accidentally.

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Quote from: suchmoon on June 24, 2020, 03:48:02 PM

There might be ways for you to fix the reputation of your project but denying facts isn't one of them.

We want to find a way to make this right. We are not denying. If there is anything we can do, please send us a message. We appreciate the Bitcointalk community for taking their time to talk to us in a straight fashion.

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Quote from: icoininternational on June 24, 2020, 03:25:41 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on June 24, 2020, 03:19:08 PM

Your whitepaper was plagiarized. That's what your red trust is based on and that's not a false claim, it's been proven quite conclusively.

This comment does not make any sense. As I said, the red trust is your business. But saying our team is photoshopped or fake, or that we are scamming, is not true and has no basis at all.

Whitepaper plagiarism is a fact. I don't care if it makes sense to you. You don't have to like your red trust but that doesn't make it invalid. And if there are other claims being made - that also doesn't invalidate the fact of plagiarism.

Quote from: icoininternational on June 24, 2020, 03:25:41 PM

Also, please take a look at the new whitepaper on icoin.ws

Ps. The only questionable parts of text were filler text. (About the history of Diamonds and so on).

Plagiarism is plagiarism regardless of which part of text was copied. It's deception (passing someone's work as your own) and in this case it's deception with the purpose of raising funds for your IEO (fraud).

There might be ways for you to fix the reputation of your project but denying facts isn't one of them.

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Quote from: icoininternational on June 24, 2020, 03:43:42 PM

The responsible "professionals" who "helped" us with their "ICO services" will be held accountable by full extent of the law. We can assure you this.

And the red trust is you being held responsible since they're your white papers. Why would you ever let someone else write the white papers for your project?

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The responsible "professionals" who "helped" us with their "ICO services" will be held accountable by full extent of the law. We can assure you this.

But we should not have let their obscure services slip through the cracks of our inspections. That is our fault, if anything.

But more importantly, our diamond mining operations are already well underway. We are very sad to hear that you are not even going to consider giving us a second chance in all of this.

I hope we will be able to change your minds in the near future, after our token has been listed.

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Quote from: icoininternational on June 24, 2020, 03:43:42 PM

The responsible "professionals" who "helped" us with their "ICO services" will be held accountable by full extent of the law. We can assure you this.

And the red trust is you being held responsible since they're your white papers. Why would you ever let someone else write the white papers for your project?

That is fine. All we ask is that you do not make false accusations one after another (for example, that our team is photoshopped)

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How is a negative feedback about your plagiarized whitepaper a false claim?
Changing the contents of the whitepaper now after getting busted doesn't erase the fact that you plagiarized it in the first place. If it was your mistake as you "claim" then you pay for it, the feedback acts a reference.

It's like you going to a bank as a robber while wearing a mask then after getting busted, you remove the mask and start claiming you are not a robber. Who will believe you?

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Quote from: icoininternational on June 24, 2020, 03:25:41 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on June 24, 2020, 03:19:08 PM

Your whitepaper was plagiarized. That's what your red trust is based on and that's not a false claim, it's been proven quite conclusively.

This comment does not make any sense. As I said, the red trust is your business. But saying our team is photoshopped or fake, or that we are scamming, is not true and has no basis at all.

The red trust is all based on plagiarism. You copied someone elses work and made it appear like it was your own.

If this doesn't make sense to you than you shouldn't be running an ico.

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Quote from: irfan_pak10 on June 24, 2020, 03:31:42 PM

Quote from: icoininternational on June 24, 2020, 03:25:41 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on June 24, 2020, 03:19:08 PM

Your whitepaper was plagiarized. That's what your red trust is based on and that's not a false claim, it's been proven quite conclusively.

This comment does not make any sense. As I said, the red trust is your business. But saying our team is photoshopped or fake, or that we are scamming, is not true and has no basis at all.

Also, please take a look at the new whitepaper on icoin.ws

I did check plagiarism a few seconds ago, if you want a copy I can send you, so you can remove plagiarism, since you removed some of it, from previous reports Grin

Please do. Much appreciated.

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