Topic: Neighbourhood Pool Watch - page 15. (Read 49925 times)

Wish my proxy is in there. The people who use it know exactly where the hashes are being sent:)

why can you vote for scammers? thats stupid! (bitclockers)

Not seeing it, sorry.

Is there another option somewhere?

You totally can change it. Just allow people to make multiple votes and allow them to edit their votes.

Good point. Unfortunately once a poll is started, multiple votes is one of the things that can't be changed. No doubt there'll be a next time. Right after a "Which pool do you trust the least?" poll.

Perhaps you should have allowed multiple votes and rephrase the question to "what pools do you trust".  Being honest, if I understood what Ive read so far, is that p2pool is the most trustworthy bar none.
But I still voted for bitminter .

Good oh. I've put a poll on which might be a better way of indicating what we think (although online polls are subject to gaming, I suppose). Care to vote?

Id certainly add bitminter to that list, and I have one concern with Slush; its not major, and I have no reason to distrust Slush, but I sure would like to see stats of shares submitted there. Must be the only pool that doesnt show it (expect for running round).

I know, hope they're back to normal

Yeah they got busted stealing miner's coins so they had to stop taking short blocks as profit.  

1.111~ sent,

Unfortunate that shady hopping countermeasure are being used to fake stats/payout,  when open and effective solution already exist.

Ps: statistically speaking,,, Some pool that charge 10% for PPS and 3% for prop..  They make it sound as if running a prop pool with 4Ths was a risky business to the operator. , it's not.  ... Just saying... see sig.

0. Introduction

There's been some confusion about exactly what is proven in regards to Bitclockers.com so I'm providing a summary on results so far with some results corrected.

My proofs can be divided into three categories:

1. Provable claim requiring no assumptions
2. Provable claim requiring one assumption
3. Claims that can't be proven but are likely on the balance of probabilities.

1. Provable claim requiring no assumptions

If Bitclockers.com are lying to their miners about when blocks are solved but not if blocks are solved .....it is simple to show empirically that strategic miners are being underpaid.

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2. Provable claim requiring one assumption

If Bitclockers.com are not lying to their miners about when blocks are solved or if blocks are solved, then we can prove that Bitclockers.com are underpaying all their miners by 21%, just using the available empirical data.

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3. Claims that can't be proven but are likely.

If Bitclockers.com are lying to their miners about if and when blocks are solved, not only are they not paying strategic miners their expected reward, Bitclockers.com may be withholding btc from all miners, for example from the very short rounds that they don't report. The possibility can be assessed fairly simply by examining the distribution of means for Bitclockers.com using the Central Limit Theorum.......So that's an extra bonus to the pool ops of more than 90 btc/month. This is a 2.81% addition to the 2% tax (about 65 btc/month), bringing it to a 4.81% tax overall.

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4. In conclusion
Case 1 is proven correct: By their own description of their payout method, Bitclockers.com is underpaying some miners and stealthily redistributing it to others.

Case 2 is only proven correct if the Bitclockers.com pool operators were being truthful when they stated that they reported blocks found as they occurred. Since they have recently been linking solved blocks to block explorer, this has become much more likely.

Case 3 is certainly possible, and on the balance of probabilities, even likely. If it is the case, all miners lose an additional 2.81% on top of the acknowledged 2% tax.

In conclusion, any time a pool does not disclose round statistics, it is too easy to 'fudge' the books and pay miners less than expected.

Yeah they got busted stealing miner's coins so they had to stop taking short blocks as profit. 

Pools I have confidence in and would mine at (in no particular order)

• Slush's pool (once they're on whatever hop proof payment method Slush decides on)
• Ozcoin
• Eclipse

Why Slush? I 've investigated them more than any other pool. I'd have noticed anything odd.

....wait, they have two short blocks?

huh.

weird.

my daily payment is close to double what i normally get now.  
must be the short blocks.



....wait, they have two short blocks?

BC went down, now that it is up, organ think anything has changed?

So, you think they slowed the initial hash rate and share count to have hoppers stay longer and/or delaying block starts?  So, would that buffer be spread out over the "block" (fake) or just kept by the op?  I can see you can hop it but it's like a even worse coinotron...get killed on the short rounds...not a good mix with other prop pools...

Also, did BC just have a short round?