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Topic: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread - page 254. (Read 661498 times)

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@ devs..

will nem be turing complete or have automated transactions? i think this is a vital feature for 2nd gen coins!

bump!

utopianfuture or patmast3r

can either of you answer? if you want to compete with nxt then you will need this.. otherwise you will only ever be 2nd to nxt..

Too many hype floating around. Why do you think Turing complete/ automated transaction is vital ? We don't have these but we might have automaton script that can do all the same plus creating shopping list + match making for singles in a close proximity.
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Re: Proposal from a macroeconomist for an optimal crypto-currency
Today at 12:10:22 PM
 #37
Quote from: zeronominal

"There seem to be two proposals, neither of which seem like particularly good ideas:

1) Proposal for hybrid POS/PON: Non-linear proof of stake rewards. Rewards are effectively per account up to a threshold. Seems ripe for exploitation by botnets.
2) Proposal for POI: Seems to be the Google Page Rank algorithm (i.e. Principal Components) with transactions replacing links between webpages, and the sum of coin ages replacing the content quality measure (i.e. the prior distribution over nodes). Seems equally vulnerable to exploitation by botnets. (Suppose there are N legitimate nodes, all trading, N botnet nodes, not trading, and 1 master node for the botnet. The botnet nodes have arbitrarily old coins so receive substantial weight, despite their lack of any trading except with the master. All of this weight then flows to the 1 master node for the botnet, who must then get the highest "PageRank" in the network.) In any case, rewarding old coins is the opposite of what you want to do. The existence of old coins implies that the currency isn't actually being used! By rewarding old coins you're effectively taxing transactions, which imposes a large efficiency cost."

Hmm, could our dev take a look at this subject?

I would not answer in any detail about this because the algorithm is under refinement. Comments are welcomed AFTER the white paper is published.

I do want to ease it up a bit so noone is worried about POI being oh so vulnerable.
POI will consist of multiple factors that determine the "importance" of a node to the network. It's not only pon, it's not only pos and also not only a combionation of the two.
The detailes are still being balanced out and like UP said people should only comment on it after the actual whitepaper is out.

So relax and have faith in the devs Wink
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I'm very interested in this coin. When is the next opportunity for others to get involved?
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Re: Proposal from a macroeconomist for an optimal crypto-currency
Today at 12:10:22 PM
 #37
Quote from: zeronominal

"There seem to be two proposals, neither of which seem like particularly good ideas:

1) Proposal for hybrid POS/PON: Non-linear proof of stake rewards. Rewards are effectively per account up to a threshold. Seems ripe for exploitation by botnets.
2) Proposal for POI: Seems to be the Google Page Rank algorithm (i.e. Principal Components) with transactions replacing links between webpages, and the sum of coin ages replacing the content quality measure (i.e. the prior distribution over nodes). Seems equally vulnerable to exploitation by botnets. (Suppose there are N legitimate nodes, all trading, N botnet nodes, not trading, and 1 master node for the botnet. The botnet nodes have arbitrarily old coins so receive substantial weight, despite their lack of any trading except with the master. All of this weight then flows to the 1 master node for the botnet, who must then get the highest "PageRank" in the network.) In any case, rewarding old coins is the opposite of what you want to do. The existence of old coins implies that the currency isn't actually being used! By rewarding old coins you're effectively taxing transactions, which imposes a large efficiency cost."

Hmm, could our dev take a look at this subject?

I would not answer in any detail about this because the algorithm is under refinement. Comments are welcomed AFTER the white paper is published.
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Re: Proposal from a macroeconomist for an optimal crypto-currency
Today at 12:10:22 PM
 #37
Quote from: zeronominal

"There seem to be two proposals, neither of which seem like particularly good ideas:

1) Proposal for hybrid POS/PON: Non-linear proof of stake rewards. Rewards are effectively per account up to a threshold. Seems ripe for exploitation by botnets.
2) Proposal for POI: Seems to be the Google Page Rank algorithm (i.e. Principal Components) with transactions replacing links between webpages, and the sum of coin ages replacing the content quality measure (i.e. the prior distribution over nodes). Seems equally vulnerable to exploitation by botnets. (Suppose there are N legitimate nodes, all trading, N botnet nodes, not trading, and 1 master node for the botnet. The botnet nodes have arbitrarily old coins so receive substantial weight, despite their lack of any trading except with the master. All of this weight then flows to the 1 master node for the botnet, who must then get the highest "PageRank" in the network.) In any case, rewarding old coins is the opposite of what you want to do. The existence of old coins implies that the currency isn't actually being used! By rewarding old coins you're effectively taxing transactions, which imposes a large efficiency cost."

Hmm, could our dev take a look at this subject?

Are you an SEO? Just from the sound of this post it seems you might be.

If you are can you help us. I think this is a very important issue. Much mire than people think!!!
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when can we get our shares?
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Have we thought about who we are going to have as our spokesman? We should have someone who can go do interviews in person if requested.

Im thinking that UP will want to stay anonymous. We should be thinking of this now so that we can make sure this person is staying updated on ALL aspects of the NEM coin and the Movement as well.

Looking at the trello board breifly, there is already a ton of things this person would have to know.
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Re: Proposal from a macroeconomist for an optimal crypto-currency
Today at 12:10:22 PM
 #37
Quote from: zeronominal

"There seem to be two proposals, neither of which seem like particularly good ideas:

1) Proposal for hybrid POS/PON: Non-linear proof of stake rewards. Rewards are effectively per account up to a threshold. Seems ripe for exploitation by botnets.
2) Proposal for POI: Seems to be the Google Page Rank algorithm (i.e. Principal Components) with transactions replacing links between webpages, and the sum of coin ages replacing the content quality measure (i.e. the prior distribution over nodes). Seems equally vulnerable to exploitation by botnets. (Suppose there are N legitimate nodes, all trading, N botnet nodes, not trading, and 1 master node for the botnet. The botnet nodes have arbitrarily old coins so receive substantial weight, despite their lack of any trading except with the master. All of this weight then flows to the 1 master node for the botnet, who must then get the highest "PageRank" in the network.) In any case, rewarding old coins is the opposite of what you want to do. The existence of old coins implies that the currency isn't actually being used! By rewarding old coins you're effectively taxing transactions, which imposes a large efficiency cost."

Hmm, could our dev take a look at this subject?
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NEM client would be called NEM community client (NCC) and here is NCC specification written by Thies1965. Feel free to comment on it.


Shocked
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Development update:

The development contract announcement will be delayed. My plan is to have the announcement when we have a clear road map of NEM development going forward and preferably within 1-2 weeks of the alpha launch. Unfortunately, at this point we don't have an ETA for the alpha launch yet and consequently, the formal announcement is delayed. My guesstimate of the Alpha is still on later part of April but there are quite a few things that needs to be worked on before we can make a solid ETA.

We currently have two repo, one for NEM infrastructure codes and one for NEM client codes and quite a few other concurrent projects going on. Progress is made on daily basis and team-quality wise I think we are as strong as Ethereum group except that NEM team and development are still in a stealthy mode.

NEM client would be called NEM community client (NCC) and here is NCC specification written by Thies1965. Feel free to comment on it.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZVrzuS_krjRF5rMvt5oKl3IS3VOhF_qnn2faZb7KZQ/edit

These are some mock-up design of NCC

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B9jSTPeGZxgtTjVncFlmMmJ6LW8&usp=sharing

I hope you like what NCC will look like in the future. Let me know if you are a developer and interested in working on expanding NEM ecosystem. I have some ideas about the future direction of NEM that I could share and I am very excited about it. Thanks.    
It looks fantastic!!
There are a lot of work to be done but it getting absolutely great
Congratulations!
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Today is March 29, 2014 .Today announced the latest news from the NEM?
Looking forward to the exciting news.nemer. Grin
+1  Cheesy

I had waited for more than a month,Also did a lot of publicity in QQ,
Is time to publish something.

+1 
Come to the community I really got a lot of help
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Great job it looks cool. Please don't be tempted to make changes, we need one client and one client only.  Smiley Smiley Smiley

I want to join you
Looks great potential
Excitement
 Smiley Smiley Smiley
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想看看有多少国人参与NEM?以国人之聪明智慧,少说也应该占50%吧?
是国人的,在这个贴上+1
+1,哈哈,看好NEM。多上来发表意见,推广支持NEM。
+1Google translation
我们大力的支持  NEM我们会得到的更多
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想看看有多少国人参与NEM?以国人之聪明智慧,少说也应该占50%吧?
是国人的,在这个贴上+1
+1,哈哈,看好NEM。多上来发表意见,推广支持NEM。
newbie
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想看看有多少国人参与NEM?以国人之聪明智慧,少说也应该占50%吧?
是国人的,在这个贴上+1
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Development update:

The development contract announcement will be delayed. My plan is to have the announcement when we have a clear road map of NEM development going forward and preferably within 1-2 weeks of the alpha launch. Unfortunately, at this point we don't have an ETA for the alpha launch yet and consequently, the formal announcement is delayed. My guesstimate of the Alpha is still on later part of April but there are quite a few things that needs to be worked on before we can make a solid ETA.

We currently have two repo, one for NEM infrastructure codes and one for NEM client codes and quite a few other concurrent projects going on. Progress is made on daily basis and team-quality wise I think we are as strong as Ethereum group except that NEM team and development are still in a stealthy mode.

NEM client would be called NEM community client (NCC) and here is NCC specification written by Thies1965. Feel free to comment on it.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZVrzuS_krjRF5rMvt5oKl3IS3VOhF_qnn2faZb7KZQ/edit

These are some mock-up design of NCC

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B9jSTPeGZxgtTjVncFlmMmJ6LW8&usp=sharing

I hope you like what NCC will look like in the future. Let me know if you are a developer and interested in working on expanding NEM ecosystem. I have some ideas about the future direction of NEM that I could share and I am very excited about it. Thanks.    
It's looking great!!! I want to use this wallet!
+888,great!
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It is written from scratch - don't get confused here.
This is only the client which accesses the infrastructure which is where all the innovation and magic happens (pls refer to the dev-document that UP linked to in his update). Even if the client was copied 100% (which is not the case at all) NEM would still have all the new features like POI.

That's all right.
I'm waiting for it come out .
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Development update:

The development contract announcement will be delayed. My plan is to have the announcement when we have a clear road map of NEM development going forward and preferably within 1-2 weeks of the alpha launch. Unfortunately, at this point we don't have an ETA for the alpha launch yet and consequently, the formal announcement is delayed. My guesstimate of the Alpha is still on later part of April but there are quite a few things that needs to be worked on before we can make a solid ETA.

We currently have two repo, one for NEM infrastructure codes and one for NEM client codes and quite a few other concurrent projects going on. Progress is made on daily basis and team-quality wise I think we are as strong as Ethereum group except that NEM team and development are still in a stealthy mode.

NEM client would be called NEM community client (NCC) and here is NCC specification written by Thies1965. Feel free to comment on it.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZVrzuS_krjRF5rMvt5oKl3IS3VOhF_qnn2faZb7KZQ/edit

These are some mock-up design of NCC

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B9jSTPeGZxgtTjVncFlmMmJ6LW8&usp=sharing

I hope you like what NCC will look like in the future. Let me know if you are a developer and interested in working on expanding NEM ecosystem. I have some ideas about the future direction of NEM that I could share and I am very excited about it. Thanks.    
It's looking great!!! I want to use this wallet!
sr. member
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It’s incredible! My admiration is growing. I'm proud to be a part of the NEM community. Really nice to see development progress.
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Would it be possible for NEM to work like colored coin, if such a feature exists, interested stakeholders can perhaps band together and form a private currency at a fixed price independent of NEM without too much price volatility, this can then be used to trade goods with each other with the value of the private currency not affected by NEM if the price of NEM is low, in the case where NEM price is worth more than the agreed upon price than the currency can be dissolved without any issue , since the aim is to create value for NEM ultimately.

This could help NEM become a viable currency and not just a speculative commodity.

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