My account was on the on the original stakeholders list from the beginning -- before page 80 on the original thread. This is an account for a loved-one per UtopianFuture's own rules. My active account is CycleSurfer while this account is CycleSurfer360. Was there a mix-up and an accidental deletion? At the time, there were no issues with getting a second account for those before page 80. DaFrockBro's post below summarizes what I mean. If I knew there was controversy with similar account names, I would have easily changed names. I was being open and honest about this process to match UtopianFuture openness about starting NEM.
I have a short memory. Please remind me what EXACTLY that I said or more accurately what I wrote. My history of posts are available for your checking. Thanks.
January 22 quote from Utopianfuture encouraging multiple buy-ins:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4661493
1. I have worked out a plan. It should work well. List of stakeholders are coming soon.
2. I won't prevent multiple buy-in. It is impossible to prevent people making two- three accounts and register for them. But it won't matter much as our user bases would
be huge. Furthermore, it takes time to make multiple accounts. It takes time to manage multiple accounts. Later on you would need to provide me passwords on these
accounts. That's a lot of work already and if someone can go through all of that they have shown a lot of interest in NEM and probably deserve their stakes. And at this point,
more accounts means more development fund to NEM. So I don't see the need to prevent multiple buy-in. It is very different from someone putting 10.000 NXT in and buy 10%
stake of NEM. I very much doubt anyone can have more than 5-6 buy-ins. I hope this explanation clears the worry about double buy-in.
3. in progress.
January 28 quote from Utopianfuture stating that address checking would not be applied retroactively:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4806705
It is on page 76 now so we better be quick. My proposition :
Fee should not change in a radical way, people will be upset
but promoting with original (and older than the project) social media accounts can hinder sockpuppets
I believe, you have to allow new account to ask for a spot, new user is good! but what we need to do is make it harder for sockpuppet to get more share. That will increase fairness, it is impossible to be 100% fair anyway.
We should welcome new users. Just try to figure out how to reduce sochpuppet accounts. I think we should implement sending address check.
Do we still want memes ? any suggestions for "promote NEM" condition changes ? I think we still need some promotional efforts, most people sent in money.
At the least, for now, if you do not want to affect the job you have already done in the past and do want not frustrate people that already paid. Maybe imposing promotion only for new accounts would reduce the futur non desirable account. For now it would be a good way to promote NEM. I believe. Acting reoactively might be difficult to administrate.
There will be no new rule applied retroactively.
January 29 edit of terms in signup thread stating address checking would not be applied retroactively to page 81:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4592223
"How to join after page 80. Two ways
1. Pay a fee to join in
Send 300 NXT to the address 14343293611098709683
Send 0.03 BTC to the address 1Lk5Paws9T1YpoSeLeZT7ZeSQKW7UNq4TJ
Counter sockpuppet measure: Sending address could be checked and if there were already two payments made to NEM's addresses before, then the third payment would be considered a donation. This measure comes into effect at page 81 and does not apply retroactively. So DO NOT SEND the fee to NEM from an exchange, you would need to withdraw to your account first. Thanks for your understanding. "
January 29 Quote from Utopian future establishing the cutoff for address checking as page 80:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4809186
Thanks for all who support NEM. This post is page 80 cut-off. Please check the front page because a counter- sockpuppet measure has been introduced.
" Counter sockpuppet measure: Sending address could be checked and if there were already two payments made to NEM's addresses before, then the third payment would be considered donation. This measure comes into effect at page 81 and does not apply retroactively. So DO NOT SEND the fee to NEM from an exchange, you would need to withdraw to your account first. Thanks for your understanding. "
In addition, meme promotion for stake spot is temporarily stopped. But remember that NEM still love memes.
Everthing is within your rights its your coin. However I know what you told about multiple stack holder at the beginning and I am sure not the only one that remembers.
I have a short memory. Please remind me what EXACTLY that I said or more accurately what I wrote. My history of posts are available for your checking. Thanks.
January 22 quote from Utopianfuture encouraging multiple buy-ins:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4661493
1.) Are you going to PM the account passwords to all initial stakeholders? I think it'd be a good idea to compile a list (google docs) of everybody who is interested and paid the fee.
2.) How are you going to prevent multiple buyins?
3.) Make the color of the NEM logo silver/grey to emphasize the silver to gold idea.
2.) How are you going to prevent multiple buyins?
3.) Make the color of the NEM logo silver/grey to emphasize the silver to gold idea.
1. I have worked out a plan. It should work well. List of stakeholders are coming soon.
2. I won't prevent multiple buy-in. It is impossible to prevent people making two- three accounts and register for them. But it won't matter much as our user bases would
be huge. Furthermore, it takes time to make multiple accounts. It takes time to manage multiple accounts. Later on you would need to provide me passwords on these
accounts. That's a lot of work already and if someone can go through all of that they have shown a lot of interest in NEM and probably deserve their stakes. And at this point,
more accounts means more development fund to NEM. So I don't see the need to prevent multiple buy-in. It is very different from someone putting 10.000 NXT in and buy 10%
stake of NEM. I very much doubt anyone can have more than 5-6 buy-ins. I hope this explanation clears the worry about double buy-in.
3. in progress.
January 28 quote from Utopianfuture stating that address checking would not be applied retroactively:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4806705
Also let's hear other opinions from the community.
It is on page 76 now so we better be quick. My proposition :
- Keep fee as is, or add a fixed amount for every x pages to ensure growth of project
- Add rule that promotion elsewhere (FB, Twiter, G+) must be made by an account that has been registered & active since Jan 01 at least
Fee should not change in a radical way, people will be upset
but promoting with original (and older than the project) social media accounts can hinder sockpuppets
I believe, you have to allow new account to ask for a spot, new user is good! but what we need to do is make it harder for sockpuppet to get more share. That will increase fairness, it is impossible to be 100% fair anyway.
We should welcome new users. Just try to figure out how to reduce sochpuppet accounts. I think we should implement sending address check.
Do we still want memes ? any suggestions for "promote NEM" condition changes ? I think we still need some promotional efforts, most people sent in money.
At the least, for now, if you do not want to affect the job you have already done in the past and do want not frustrate people that already paid. Maybe imposing promotion only for new accounts would reduce the futur non desirable account. For now it would be a good way to promote NEM. I believe. Acting reoactively might be difficult to administrate.
There will be no new rule applied retroactively.
January 29 edit of terms in signup thread stating address checking would not be applied retroactively to page 81:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4592223
"How to join after page 80. Two ways
1. Pay a fee to join in
Send 300 NXT to the address 14343293611098709683
Send 0.03 BTC to the address 1Lk5Paws9T1YpoSeLeZT7ZeSQKW7UNq4TJ
Counter sockpuppet measure: Sending address could be checked and if there were already two payments made to NEM's addresses before, then the third payment would be considered a donation. This measure comes into effect at page 81 and does not apply retroactively. So DO NOT SEND the fee to NEM from an exchange, you would need to withdraw to your account first. Thanks for your understanding. "
January 29 Quote from Utopian future establishing the cutoff for address checking as page 80:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4809186
Thanks for all who support NEM. This post is page 80 cut-off. Please check the front page because a counter- sockpuppet measure has been introduced.
" Counter sockpuppet measure: Sending address could be checked and if there were already two payments made to NEM's addresses before, then the third payment would be considered donation. This measure comes into effect at page 81 and does not apply retroactively. So DO NOT SEND the fee to NEM from an exchange, you would need to withdraw to your account first. Thanks for your understanding. "
In addition, meme promotion for stake spot is temporarily stopped. But remember that NEM still love memes.
@UP: you wanna take this ? Seems like you put him on the refundlist.
in anycase i still see myself in the refund list 
? U will kill NEM!!!!!! 