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Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on May 01, 2015, 05:45:15 AM

True. Indian ISPs charge higher amount.

IMHO you should change to MTS or BSNL. From my experience, MTS was better than BSNL. Others especially !DEA, are worse. Use 'em, if you have no other choice. In different countries, experience might be different. I am from South India, btw. Whatever you choose, !DEA is one if the worst and BSNL is one of the best.

My friend who has BSNL has said that she faced an internet downtime for more than a week while this has never been the case with Tata Photon as there has always been an internet connection (whether it's slow or fast). MTS is banned from my city (Mumbai). Sad

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I don't think it will really work in India. As everyone knows that Indian Govt is very corrupted So you can't just blame the the service provider companies Govt is also equally responsible. People are simply cheated by this companies they are paying more and not getting good services in return.

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Quote from: erikalui on May 01, 2015, 05:37:18 AM

Flipkart refused this offer and now only Internet.org is trying to make Facebook free to access on all devices. I open a website like Google and it consumes 250-300 KB and if I don't have an internet plan, it consumes almost Rs. 100 ($2) of my balance.

Talking about internet plans, the rates are ridiculous. I have a connection of $12 and get a speed of 152 KBPS from Tata Photon and most services like BSNL offer $10 for 512 KBPS speed but their connection drops often. With $25, you can get a max speed of 1 MBPS unlimited internet but not more than that. I have seen other countries paying way less than Indian ISPs.

True. Indian ISPs charge higher amount.

IMHO you should change to MTS or BSNL. From my experience, MTS was better than BSNL. Others especially !DEA, are worse. Use 'em, if you have no other choice. In different countries, experience might be different. I am from South India, btw. Whatever you choose, !DEA is one if the worst and BSNL is one of the best.

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Flipkart refused this offer and now only Internet.org is trying to make Facebook free to access on all devices. I open a website like Google and it consumes 250-300 KB and if I don't have an internet plan, it consumes almost Rs. 100 ($2) of my balance.

Talking about internet plans, the rates are ridiculous. I have a connection of $12 and get a speed of 152 KBPS from Tata Photon and most services like BSNL offer $10 for 512 KBPS speed but their connection drops often. With $25, you can get a max speed of 1 MBPS unlimited internet but not more than that. I have seen other countries paying way less than Indian ISPs.

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The Internet Service Providers in India are not upto the mark. They charge you more and in return the speed of internet is below the level. Mr Modi is announcing some big projects everyday but its not a helping a common men richer are getting more richer and poor are getting more poorer.

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In India you won't get better speed in metro as well as non metro cities. And internet charges in India are very much more as compared to other countries. People are willing to pay even more but still nothing in return but nobody will afford to compromise on the quality and services.

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The results of the telecom companies, which will be driven to bankruptcy if net neutrality is imposed, have been released.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2015/04/28/bharti-airtel-results-idINKBN0NJ1L420150428

Idea, which posted a 60 percent rise in quarterly profit on Tuesday, recorded a monthly average revenue per user (ARPU) among its 33.4 million data customers of 150 rupees ($2.38), up from 104 rupees a year ago.

Separately, Bharti, which posted a 30.5 percent rise in profit for the quarter ended March 31, saw its mobile data ARPU rise by 43 rupees to 173 rupees.

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Aritel got a big blow when Flipkart, India's one of the biggest of e-commerce site, pulled out of Net Zero. Read the article:

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/internet/flipkart-pulls-out-of-airtels-net-neutrality-violating-airtel-zero/articleshow/46916966.cms

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 14, 2015, 08:03:01 AM

Some 80% of India's population lives on government handouts. So the government taxes anything taxable at astronomic rates. For broadband companies, there is a spectrum fee for the necessary license.

Spectrum is bought through an auction. So it is actually the free market which pushes up the spectrum costs.
However, nothing can justify a stunt like the one Airtel is trying to pull now.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 13, 2015, 06:34:23 AM

I've been to India multiple times, and I have never liked the broadband facilities there. A decent connection (512 Kbps, i.e 64 KBps) costs as much as $25 and the service is really bad. In my country, I pay half of that amount for a 50Mbps connection!!!!

Can I ask you where do you live? Here in Italy at the moment I'm paying 45 € (two months) for a 20/5 Mbps and I don't think it is too much.

However I have some friends that live in India and they always tell me " my connection is very bad, and we pay too much". As in almost all the Asian countries.

We Indians actually need some really great services to be provided cheaper compared to what is being provided in foreign countries as the speed that they get at the price is 1/10th or 1/25th the price we pay here, and it's almost impossible to get it due to what these companies have started doing now...

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 13, 2015, 10:31:34 PM

Quote from: redsn0w on April 13, 2015, 06:50:48 AM

Can I ask you where do you live?

South-east Asia.

Quote from: redsn0w on April 13, 2015, 03:54:01 PM

Maybe as Sithara 007 said, in the metro city there isn't that problem. The problem is the countryside city, etc.

It is a problem everywhere. Even in the metro cities, they are charging $25 per month for a 512 Kbps connection. And the quality is very bad. India is the place where you get bad quality stuff for ultra-expensive prices.

In that sense you are absolutely right my friend. In India, everything is costly as compare to West or Europe but the services or quality are really shitty. It is only because there is strict Consumer protection laws as compare to India. Of topic but I bought a Tommy Polo Tee in around equivalent to 80-90USD and the same Tee with much better quality you can get in the US in fraction of that amount.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 13, 2015, 06:34:23 AM

I've been to India multiple times, and I have never liked the broadband facilities there. A decent connection (512 Kbps, i.e 64 KBps) costs as much as $25 and the service is really bad. In my country, I pay half of that amount for a 50Mbps connection!!!!

512 Kbps is not a decent connection. You'd be struggling to load Bitcointalk on that and can forget about Youtube, uploading photos and so on.
It's bad if you have such connection on your smartphone, if we're talking PC it's a tragedy.

The bad and expensive connection doesn't stop them from using the web. They're doing better than Africans and Arab countries Wink

From that 'stats' it seems that in the Africa there a lot of people don't (or can't) use/surf internet, but the interesting thing is the Brazile (50-100 mln internet users).

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Quote from: redsn0w on April 14, 2015, 06:24:35 AM

25 bucks for 512 Kbps Roll Eyes

, I hope you are kidding me

. This is really insane, why that high price for almost nothing?

Some 80% of India's population lives on government handouts. So the government taxes anything taxable at astronomic rates. For broadband companies, there is a spectrum fee for the necessary license. It can run in to billions of USD. Then there are taxes such as Corporate tax, Labor tax.etc, which amount to some 60-65% of the profits. Then the customer ends up paying taxes like VAT, Service Tax, Cess.etc. So in the end the government is responsible for 80% of the bill amount.

Those taxes are really useless Undecided

, why should pay the taxes if the service sucks?

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Quote from: redsn0w on April 14, 2015, 06:24:35 AM

25 bucks for 512 Kbps Roll Eyes

, I hope you are kidding me

. This is really insane, why that high price for almost nothing?

Some 80% of India's population lives on government handouts. So the government taxes anything taxable at astronomic rates. For broadband companies, there is a spectrum fee for the necessary license. It can run in to billions of USD. Then there are taxes such as Corporate tax, Labor tax.etc, which amount to some 60-65% of the profits. Then the customer ends up paying taxes like VAT, Service Tax, Cess.etc. So in the end the government is responsible for 80% of the bill amount.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 13, 2015, 10:31:34 PM

Quote from: redsn0w on April 13, 2015, 06:50:48 AM

Can I ask you where do you live?

South-east Asia.

Quote from: redsn0w on April 13, 2015, 03:54:01 PM

Maybe as Sithara 007 said, in the metro city there isn't that problem. The problem is the countryside city, etc.

It is a problem everywhere. Even in the metro cities, they are charging $25 per month for a 512 Kbps connection. And the quality is very bad. India is the place where you get bad quality stuff for ultra-expensive prices.

25 bucks for 512 Kbps Roll Eyes

, I hope you are kidding me

. This is really insane, why that high price for almost nothing?

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Quote from: panju1 on April 14, 2015, 05:59:32 AM

The public backlash seems to have had some impact. One of Airtel's biggest clients, Flipkart has pulled out.

Hah... I was referring to Airtel in this post:

Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 13, 2015, 06:34:23 AM

I've been to India multiple times, and I have never liked the broadband facilities there. A decent connection (512 Kbps, i.e 64 KBps) costs as much as $25 and the service is really bad. In my country, I pay half of that amount for a 50Mbps connection!!!!

Airtel is the worst broadband provider in the world. Extremely expensive with awful service. I still wonder how ordinary Indians tolerate this cartel.

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The public backlash seems to have had some impact. One of Airtel's biggest clients, Flipkart has pulled out.

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/flipkart-pulls-out-of-airtel-deal-amid-backlash-over-net-neutrality-754829

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Quote from: redsn0w on April 13, 2015, 06:50:48 AM

Can I ask you where do you live?

South-east Asia.

Quote from: redsn0w on April 13, 2015, 03:54:01 PM

Maybe as Sithara 007 said, in the metro city there isn't that problem. The problem is the countryside city, etc.

It is a problem everywhere. Even in the metro cities, they are charging $25 per month for a 512 Kbps connection. And the quality is very bad. India is the place where you get bad quality stuff for ultra-expensive prices.

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Quote from: panju1 on April 13, 2015, 07:36:47 PM

What do you do when public opinion is in favour of net neutrality and you as a telecom operator still want to make money? You change the definition of net neutrality!

"In its pristine form, net neutrality does not exist anywhere in the world. What we need to do is find the right definition that creates value for India, for customers and for app developers" - Srini Gopalan, Airtel

https://in.newshub.org/airtel-promises-no-slow-lanes-internet-wants-pragmatic-approach-net-neutrality-15306095.html

Yes you are right but it's not only the telecom operator who are responsible for that. Government is also equally responsible for that. Don't you think?

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What do you do when public opinion is in favour of net neutrality and you as a telecom operator still want to make money? You change the definition of net neutrality!

"In its pristine form, net neutrality does not exist anywhere in the world. What we need to do is find the right definition that creates value for India, for customers and for app developers" - Srini Gopalan, Airtel

https://in.newshub.org/airtel-promises-no-slow-lanes-internet-wants-pragmatic-approach-net-neutrality-15306095.html

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Quote from: Mike Christ on April 13, 2015, 09:13:02 AM

Because you have a limited amount of companies providing any given service, those companies can easily collude and lobby and do whatever the hell they want with their businesses, such as slowing traffic and charging for certain sites.

You have limited choices because local municipalities form contractual monopolies with companies to institute a one and only one option system for utilities. You have governments creating a problem and then trying to solve their own problem by enforcing price ceilings on the products; which then makes it highly unprofitable to be in the business that the company is in. How does that make an sense in the slightest? If I were comcast or Verizon or whatever I would say screw it, we're no longer over internet access.

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