Topic: Network Attack on XVG / VERGE - page 62. (Read 29513 times)

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Just FYI, this is probably what you're dealing with.

Following the whole thread and having read really every message and post on it i would like to share my personal opinion:

- great thx to ocminer. I personally see that every technical post he made makes absolutly sense and has its obvious logic. Too bad that there are too many arrogant people here. The Verge devs should have listened to him from beginning and i'am pretty sure the issue would have not gone that way.

- again great thx to ocminer for posting it and making XVG miners aware what happens. I think miners and other pool owners should have the right to know whats going on with a coin they are mining. At least, we XVG miners are part of XVG as well, maybe something that Verge has forgotten allready.

- even one more thx to ocminer for his stance in this case and taking the side of the miners. At least for me, suprnova is now a 1st class pool i thrust and whenever possible i will use it. 1% donation to show and honor such open discussion and defending the miners point of view and interest.

About Verge/XVG:

- Until today i was a Verge fan, Verge miner, Verge holder (with about 200k XVG, not a whale but still), Verge hoper because it was an underdog in my opinion and i like underdogs that make it up.

- This whole issue (and some others) has shown to me that the Verge team is not really interested in its miners, followers, holders, investors, you call it .... They write off some 20m+ XVG as it was nothing. About the legit miners that mined over hours only orphaned blocks, nothing. I guess the pool owners as well are in the negative with these "hacked" blocks.

- Than the noobish fix, backroll, you have read about it all the pages bevor, no need to comment it again. Seriously, this is not the approach i want by a coin i like and have hope in. Absolutly not. Its the approach of a Noob team that just has made a coin, not more and not less. Not even anymore sure if its really such privacy coin as it pretends to be.

- Than again thinking about it. What to await from a team that even does not manage to have a working email on its homepage? Whats left for some skilled programming?

- Here again a point that just makes it clear how you actually threat your followers: Huge amount of followers get scammed on your twitter threads. Scammed users cry for some ad/banner/warning to have others warned. Only thing you comment is " we get alot of messages about it, but seeing as there is absolutely nothing we can do about it right now, those messages are not a priority." Seriously? You can  not add a simple warning message on your twitter messages? Spare me the "other coins have the same problem", as we talk here about XVG. So having daily your followers nonstop scammed is not one of your priorities?? Adding a simple warning message which takes about 2s is not possible? It isn't even more about the scam, its about you are unwilling to do the very least someone of you team could do to prevent YOUR followers to get scammed, but 0 interest in it.

- Than the chat with ocminer. The only thing you worried about was that he made it public, again 0 interest in fixing actually the problem and hack. You Verge guys really make me believe that you are not interested in fixing whatever. Only in this thread i have seen at least 4 - 5 high level technical experts you could have taken good advice from. You even give shit about some of the best pools around, again evidience that you do not care about your base and people involved in XVG as pools and miners are the backbone of your currency, at least imo.

- Verges only luck seems to be a lot of desperate XVG holders that hope some day to make a fortune holding that 0.03 - 0.05$ coin raising to US$ 1 (this would be at least by market cap #4). The question is if it is possible that a coin really can make it up based on luck and day dreamers?! Time will show. I personally will follow ocminer and get my hands of XVG, selling my little XVG holding and not mining it anymore. Sometimes in life principles should be stronger than just profit thinking. I just do not feel good supporting anymore a project that gives shit about its followers, miners, pools, investors, believers, ......

Just my 2 cents and satoshis

He did.

https://github.com/vergecurrency/VERGE/issues/685

Yea, very unforunate to see how this is playing out for us miners. What we can do is just hope that the devs know what they are doing.

I for myself reported that scam i felt on the verge twitter account to the FBI internet crime complaint center (IC3) with all links and full description how this happens. Hope other victims follow this step.

I fell for the scam too, with another coin.

Now when I see the scammers on Twitter, I report them right away, and warn everyone not to buy into the scam.

It's a whole group of people, and they respond like they got a good amount for what they sent.

I did a search on "Etherscan," and found the address they used. They are literally taking in thousands with their scam. https://etherscan.io/

If you look at the transaction, you can find the address where you sent it, and it will even show the address it's associated with.

There's got to be a way to catch these thieves.

Personatily i think that things could have been handled better from both parts ocminer and Vergedev this seems to be more like a ego war rather than actually addressing a problem in the crypto eco system that might very well affect other coins in the future so this should be taken as an example and people should be trying to help each other rather than pointing fingers in a political fashion way.

Regarding the actual price i am not surprised at all considering that verge has a strong community and the upcoming partnership on 17th April.

And last but not least the irony of verge getting hit with a shit storm every time it tries to moon is called jealousy, unfortunately people don't deal well with others success especially if a project is threatening the Survivability or reputation of another. People may say what they want but the fact is that verge is growing and was already growing before the Mcafee tweet that everyone speaks about. And the fact that such cheap coin that is not even top 10 or top 5 is in every ones mouth in a daily basis speaks for itself. Cheers

As I recall, the Suprnova pool/ocminer simply removed the code which was secretly added at the last minute by one of the devs which implemented a hidden 0.5% fee into his mining pools code, having the proceeds being sent unknowingly to his own personal BTG address. I could be wrong, but the linked information posted at cryptoconsulting.info seems fake and is not quite how I remember things going down..

You can check it out here, or here: https://news.bitcoin.com/bitcoin-gold-developer-under-scrutiny-for-allegedly-hiding-mining-code/

and here or here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/btgsuprnovacc-mining-pool-for-bitcoin-gold-advises-ppl-not-to-invest-in-btg-2397046

and here or here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/btg-easter-egg-found-code-in-bitcoin-gold-drects-miner-blocks-to-dev-team-2407237

part of the dev team or not, no1 takes what newbies has to say at any real value. especially with so many new accounts coming to talk shit and shill verge... its just a literal bloodbath of newbie blood n shite...

yup shite hit the fan, devs went around it the wrong way, a fix is being released end of story, if OCminer wants to shut down his pools he can, others will take his place. things always get worse before it tends to get better. surprised the price as actually held up as well as it has given the current situation thou.

As i previously stated this is hardly the first time nor the last time this kind of stuff will happen.... kinda ironic that verge gets hit with a shit storm everytime it trys to moon thou....

It's quite amusing that people still didn't know that Verge Dev is incompetent.


Hey look at you on BCT! welcome.

Couldn't agree more. I've been following this thread all day for the back and forth entertainment.

If I was part of the Verge team I'd have worked together with ocminer and even paid him for help if I couldn't handle it myself. I've been mining on his pools for years now. Always does an excellent job supporting his own infrastructure and is known as a stand up member in the crypto community. More pool operators should follow oc's lead.

As for the vulnerability being disclosed privately vs. publicly it really doesn't matter in this instance.

1) ocminer was not the attacker
2) the attack was already taking place without significant public contact/updates by the Verge team as to what was happening
3) ocminer did not disclose technical details to the public in any form where someone could take the information and replicate the attack themselves

I don't feel it's necessary to add my personal opinions on the Verge blockchain however it's very clear that if the developers need help, ASK FOR IT. There is no shame in seeking help when you're overwhelmed. Remember that blockchains are supposed to be decentralized, open source, and contributed to by anyone with the means to do so, not a self contained dictatorship.

Is Dero traded anywhere? Can’t find it on coinmarketcap.com

Serena is a part of Dero team, so junior status is irrelevant here.

realize

The level of incompetence of Verge DEVs is staggering. To propose a hotfix and confuse minutes with seconds is absolutely unbelievable at this level. It takes only a brief glance at the github commit to realise something's off (I'm a dev myself).

If this company is valued $850m, then what the hell is going on. It's not a question of if the market collapses from coins like these, it's a question of when.

Made an account on this forum just to say this, because my jaw is on the floor.

the blood and sh*t from newbie account is really free flowing today lol.....

I've no leg in this I'm just here for the popcorn.

But as a rule of thumb: when someone as ancient as ocminer pats you on the shoulder and tells you something: you sit down and listen.

Sunerok clearly needs lessons in humbleness.

New source code will be released soon and we encourage you to follow our project as we continue to exceed community expectations

Edit: that's the repository from the C++ code btw and we gave Masari their credit for the contributions we did use. (BTW Thaer, our team has a ton of respect for you if you read this!)

hmmm...

https://github.com/deroproject/dero/blob/ac08e492592168b24a0c60da80adef2ce1a4d151/src/cryptonote_basic/difficulty.cpp#L3

We're no longer a fork at all and never were a Masari fork

We've written an entirely new blockchain technology based on the CryptoNote protocol and written in golang. We maintained backwards compatibility with the Helium Hydra version for a while but dropped it recently due to various vulnerabilities.

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Edit: typos (long days)