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Topic: Network Difficulty increase 20% to 35% & Estimated ROI BFL/Avalon/KNC/Bitfury - page 2. (Read 7318 times)
August 14, 2013, 11:06:34 AM
One thing I will say is... you assume that all manufacturers will deliver. I expect, as happened in SHA-2 ASIC Round 1, that at least one of these mining hardware outfits will seriously under-deliver. You can almost count on it. "Almost" isn't good enough for someone looking to invest in this sort of landscape though, hence why even someone with Bitfury's credentials still hasn't sold out of... pre-orders (almost put "products" there, )
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August 14, 2013, 09:44:53 AM
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difficulty increase of 35% every 10 days from this point on
Stopped reading there. Everything else is just bullshit. 
August 14, 2013, 12:03:07 AM
Due to popular demand 
I have included the numbers at 20% 12 day network difficulty increase. At this time the yearly average for network difficulty increase is 18.6% and expected to go up by years end.
Again at what point does the rate of increase slow down is pure speculation. However as for the argument of BTC vs Hardware seems to win if you....
Consider the possibility that the value of BTC to USD goes up/down in value by say October?
For those that mine and dump then BTC is your option.
For those that mine and hold and do not mind operating at a cost/loss then hardware is your option.
Depending on what you chose you would end up with "less" and a "loss" of potential profit if you went exclusively BTC.
That is why its important to not "go big or go home" with one option or another.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmeuPljmUNHCdGpIcjhNaDdUQmlZSXVtRnNVSW9GM0E&usp=sharing
Avalon
BFL
KNC
Bitfury
I have included the numbers at 20% 12 day network difficulty increase. At this time the yearly average for network difficulty increase is 18.6% and expected to go up by years end.
Again at what point does the rate of increase slow down is pure speculation. However as for the argument of BTC vs Hardware seems to win if you....
Consider the possibility that the value of BTC to USD goes up/down in value by say October?
For those that mine and dump then BTC is your option.
For those that mine and hold and do not mind operating at a cost/loss then hardware is your option.
Depending on what you chose you would end up with "less" and a "loss" of potential profit if you went exclusively BTC.
That is why its important to not "go big or go home" with one option or another.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmeuPljmUNHCdGpIcjhNaDdUQmlZSXVtRnNVSW9GM0E&usp=sharing
Avalon
BFL
KNC
Bitfury
August 13, 2013, 11:33:29 PM
Really more than 3 Billion difficulty by end of the year? 
wtf u smoking man?
How about some realistic calculations?
wtf u smoking man?
How about some realistic calculations?
This is just to show that come the end of December 2013 present prices are unsustainable at a 35% network difficulty increase.
Also for those that speculate the value of BTC is in the $1000's then getting BTC rather then hardware is a solid bet.
So this is a projected network difficulty if it would continue to go up 35% every 10 days.
The question still remains as to the total of "pre-order" hardware that has yet to hit the network.
Those that were here when we moved from CPU to GPU technology know that the faster the network difficulty goes up the longer it takes to normalize at the ideal 6 blocks and hour..
August 13, 2013, 11:12:47 PM
Really more than 3 Billion difficulty by end of the year?
wtf u smoking man?
How about some realistic calculations?
wtf u smoking man?
How about some realistic calculations?
August 13, 2013, 10:25:06 PM
Update Post as of 9-14-2013
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3156061
Update Post as of 9-3-2013
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3077414
Update Post as of 8-24-2013
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2999081
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I posted this updated chart on another thread however wanted to share it here in case you missed it.
Some of us were debating at this stage buying BTC short of mining at a loss can be a viable option rather then committing to the risky business involved with going all out with ASIC hardware.
The following chart shows the return on specific hardware from given manufacturers at present costs at a network difficulty increase of 35% every 10 days.
Buying BTC at $100 is a viable option with out the issues involved with mining.
Here is the updated numbers on network difficulty increase of 35% every 10 days from this point on.
Best case perhaps?
Overview
KNC
BFL
Bitfury 100TH solution.
Edit: View the form yourself and copy it using Google chrome to into your own drive for your own use.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmeuPljmUNHCdEpqX2RmMDFwemJyLURVUWFtZ3J3aGc&usp=sharing
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3156061
Update Post as of 9-3-2013
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3077414
Update Post as of 8-24-2013
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2999081
______________________________________________________________
I posted this updated chart on another thread however wanted to share it here in case you missed it.
Some of us were debating at this stage buying BTC short of mining at a loss can be a viable option rather then committing to the risky business involved with going all out with ASIC hardware.
The following chart shows the return on specific hardware from given manufacturers at present costs at a network difficulty increase of 35% every 10 days.
Buying BTC at $100 is a viable option with out the issues involved with mining.
Here is the updated numbers on network difficulty increase of 35% every 10 days from this point on.
Best case perhaps?
Overview
KNC
BFL
Bitfury 100TH solution.
Edit: View the form yourself and copy it using Google chrome to into your own drive for your own use.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmeuPljmUNHCdEpqX2RmMDFwemJyLURVUWFtZ3J3aGc&usp=sharing
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