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I think that statistic of "half the forum" is pretty exaggerated as I doubt upstanding members of the community would do it. I've never plagiarized, and never even thought to do it. It's just one of those things that everyone knows is wrong to do. However, I'll admit that in certain situations it might be done on accident. For example, if someone is trying to help another user, and they get their information from the web, and don't provide a source. That probably is worth deleting, but I don't think further action would need to be taken. I believe context, and motives are considered. So, if a post from 2014 was the reason for a ban, then I'm sure context, and evaluating the behavior of that user was also taken into consideration.

huh.... my sarcasm meter didn't flag that...yours probably did though....

Yeah, I remember those days, back when we used to have freedom. Then people like you who insist on installing a mommy and a daddy to keep watch of over everyone at all times come along and now everyone is worried they are going to get unpersoned for something they said half a decade ago like this is Stalinist Russia and they will be Photoshoped out of all of the old photos for something politically incorrect they said once years ago. Plagiarism should not be tolerated for numerous reasons, but I find it abhorrent frankly to enforce rules upon people who could not have possibly known it was going to be a forum rule in the future.

Yes it is technically not legal, but it also falls squarely within civil law. No one is ever going to bust down your door because you took an unaccredited snippet from a news article and posted it on the internet. Criminal penalties only come into play with wider scale abuse, so your point about being in violation of the law is moot, especially since these laws are not the same in every nation.

I think people plagiarizing in order to abuse the forum should have a penalty for sure. Old posts still technically in violation should just be purged without further action. IMO this is the only just way to go about this, but I am just a troll and have nothing of value to add.

And I would add that without finding those examples, it's a pretty empty claim.  He's just saying they exist to give him a reason for yet another tirade that defends doing the wrong thing instead of the right thing, and against a forum that obviously pisses him off and yet one that he keeps coming back to.  He's an emotional masochist.  If everyone here is wrong and the forum is run like shit, you'd think he'd just move on.  Nobody is supporting his positions on issues anyway.  You would think he'd have learned that, but no.  Thule is like the person who holds your attention hostage with incessant rambling while you're trying to think of an excuse to get away.

Fortunately we have the ignore button, which I have yet to use on him--but it's getting close.

I am very happy to see that the case-by-case approach is used when dealing with abuse on our forum.
This is for sure, very time consuming and adds a lot of work but is the only way to be fair and avoid mistakes.

I was some time ago in such a situation as described above, because of my laziness I got into trouble.
Accused of plagiarism only because I copy and pasted content to be helpful and provide a fast answer to a newbie member. I have added in my post that this text should be quoted and added author username. That was a really a cold shower and weak up call for me on this forum.

I am happy that I was not banned only red trusted for a few months because I am on the forum for so many years and never did anything wrong before.
If I would be banned for what I have done, even for a short period of time, I don't think, I would have ever come back again. Let me explain why.

First, when that happened I was angry and wasn't filling that I have done something wrong. Took me some time to finally understand that indeed, I did something wrong and against the forum rules.

Thanks to a few very valuable members like those quoted above, I was able to understand my mistakes and change my behavior on the forum.
Started to contribute, reporting abuse (almost 3000 reports), adjusted my post quality and help to build my local community.

I think today, I am a different member thanks to a given chance.

you can let the first time slip, but the second,third and tenth time is not justifiable - provided that you had access to the instructions already, and this is what most spammers here do, they insist on breaking the rules , sadly.

no you are a massive dick

Because i'm not an ill dick who gets people banned for plagiarism which happened years ago where noone cared about it.

So why don't you?

On one hand, plagiarism is very bad, should not be tolerated and substantial punishment should be handed down for even a small number of instances of actual plagiarism (this is a case of actual plagiarism). On the other hand, this happened several years ago, and redsn0w may have been banned for low quality posts that perhaps took the offending posts into consideration (I am not sure about this).

I don't think plagiarism has ever been within the mainstream, and is wrong regardless of when it happened. The question is more along the lines of if someone should be punished for something that happened so long ago.

I guess you live in your imaginray dream world.
If i would like i could find at at least 50% if not more of todays legendary accounts this kind of plagiarism since nobody cared about it back in the days.Even a small quick copy paste of an important message from media you wanted to share with the community back in 2014 can get you now banned.

Are you going to ban 50% of legendary accounts because of shit like this about some lines copy paste years ago ?

You ban people with know how because of that kind of stupid fact from 2014 and cry at the same time about increasing amount of low quality posts ?
You clearly don't know what you want as else you couldn't explain these stupid actions.

Only because back then, most people didn't need to be explicitly told that violating international copyright law was against the rules. Those were the days.

That was in 2014 .There was no rule or info about plagiarism at all.

If you wanna bann people because of these kind of BS from 2014 you would need to ban half of the forum.


@theymos you are clearly out of your mind giving a temp ban for posts back from 2014.
Did he obey the rules over the last years ?I guess its a clearly yes so why the temp ban and signature punishment ?
Some mental ill pussy like suchmoon destroying accounts by searching any crap she can find ?


I stopped fighting for that forum anymore.Its a waste of time since you are causing the biggest mistakes on this forum hunting legit users for peanuts and letting abusers stay.

You have no respect from me anymore for punishing people because of that stupid kind of staff from 2014.


Loyce already posted it but i will repeat it no other forum on the internet is so strict like your out of control forum which sucks each day more and more as its a pain to participate here without risking to break again a new future rule which will be checked on your account back till 2012 .


The only secure way to not risk any future punishments is to just not participate on this forum anymore.

I totally agree with Theymos that the vast majority of plagiarists deserve a permaban, but I'm glad to see the case-by-case approach being implemented. 

There are the rare cases where it's to the benefit of the community that amember not be gone for good, and I very much like the 2-year signature ban.  I think that's a fair punishment.

To be clear: I have nothing against redsn0w and I like the case-by-case approach. Hopefully shit-stirrers like Quicksy will be ignored in any such discussions and facts won't be buried under "likes" and "dislikes" for a specific user.

Yes, I know, I'm just stating that he knows where to find people that could have bots or know how to configure bots for him to use.

This is not a bot to copy-paste/shitpost for signature campaign money. It's a bot that helps the managers tracking their participants and how many posts they made. Check the link he posted...

Knowing he is into signature campaign on 2014, have knowledge on bot and where to buy some (any kind of functions), it could be possible that he used a bot at some point.

I don't know if it's a bot, could be just lazy manual copy-pasta. redsn0w was a quite enthusiastic sig campaign participant at the time:

Re: [DiceBitco.in] [Make the most out of your sig!] Make coins by simply posting!

Apparently ran out of original content at some point.

It is like a work of a bot (pilot), just copying the previous reply to manage account for post count. Surely not just once.