New antminer S-5+ selling options - page 2.

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Quote from: sobe-it on August 12, 2015, 10:28:00 PM

we could also do a mini group buy, a few pitch in on the s5+ then the head person gets the miner and ships out boards as paid for.

Do you mean head person gets one whole miner? On a miner at this price it would need to be a large group buy to provide person in charge a miner.

I think our best bet is if they add it on bitmain's main site. As of right now I would say they want to keep it more local in China market. I am not sure we could get a price that ROI is possible. Current price is high. To ask Bitmain to work with a small group and to lower price is going to be hard.

I predict this miner mainly goes into China data centers for better or worse that is main market. And most of us will be waiting till next gen.

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so 48 chips per board so that would be ~855 gh/s per board, and if they kept it simple (like they usually do) they would of used the same pin-out so I would say the boards would/should plug into the s5 controller and work fine. we should see if they sell just *replacement boards* for this miner and then it would be like an s5 upgrade and could possibly tweak it to get better efficiency than the stock s5 boards. seeing how 2 of these would put an s5 at 1.7 th/s and the stock controller can take up to 4 boards, I would be fine loosing some gh/s for better watt to ghs than the stock s5 set up. this could get interesting.

we could also do a mini group buy, a few pitch in on the s5+ then the head person gets the miner and ships out boards as paid for.

QuintLeo

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Lktec probably in December per a few comments I've seen. Might be as early as this month but I suspect their August 20 announcement is more likely to be "more exact specs" and possibly "you can now preorder" their unit(s). Not sure if they're going to be SFF though, their previous units weren't real small.

Possibly Innosilicon with a direct unit of it's own around the same timeframe, but their previous unit was a rack-mount size design not SFF.

In theory SFards should have the SF100 available in retail quantities by then, but I want to see how reliable those are going to be at the BOARD level - Gridseed tended to be GARBAGE as a board-level designer and so far what little feedback I've seen on the SF100 is VERY much "more of the same bad design work" or just bad manufacuring/shipping causing too many dead units.

In theory the Avalon project could have something out soon - they've been VERY quiet for quite a while, have had plenty of time to get a good start on a "next gen" product past the 4.1

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Quote from: valkir on August 11, 2015, 09:55:53 AM

Pretty sad that now only bitmain will do small form miner.

Lets hope lketc will provide one too but Im pretty sure they will not be able to fight bitmain.

no one is selling us gear except bitmain.

sfards is just way too high priced. and while I have seen a few photos no one has done a real review of one.

valkir

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Pretty sad that now only bitmain will do small form miner.

Lets hope lketc will provide one too but Im pretty sure they will not be able to fight bitmain.

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Quote from: tss on August 10, 2015, 10:02:21 PM

for those "committed" the full setup of 3450 watts would make sense. set it up in the basement on a 220v dryer circuit and vent outside would be ideal.

a home miner would go for mid range @ 5th @ 2300watts is just perfect for a 20a 110v circuit.

although the price is quite high.

am i off or does this seem more expensive then a year ago? forget the difficulty difference.

well lets say it goes for 2750 + 150 to ship that is 2900 for a .445 watt per gh .

so you could buy s-5's last jan for 310 plus shipping. But we had a price war s-5 vs sp20

On thanksgiving last year sp20 was 600 and 5 of them would be 3000 usd and do 7000 gh at 4600 watts.

But btc was about 400 a coin last thanksgivng so we may have been better off with those sp20's

also paycoin made 5x to 10x the coin if you rented to nicehash. that meant 75 days worth of coin in about 13 days.

So last fall you could argue was much better to buy gear.

We then crashed btc price once bitmaintech went into the price war against spondoolies.

I would argue we are yet to recover from that price war.

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for those "committed" the full setup of 3450 watts would make sense. set it up in the basement on a 220v dryer circuit and vent outside would be ideal.

a home miner would go for mid range @ 5th @ 2300watts is just perfect for a 20a 110v circuit.

although the price is quite high.

am i off or does this seem more expensive then a year ago? forget the difficulty difference.

QuintLeo

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I'd be a TON happier with the S5 if it had an undervolt option (per the ORIGINAL claims for it).

I agree that this S5+ isn't targeted at home miners - still think it should be called the S6.

alh

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This also makes me wonder if the S5+ hashing boards will work with an S5 controller? It will be interesting if/when somebody that's interested gets their hands on one to start taking close-up pictures and measurements, both physical and electrical.

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The current 7.7 TH miner make complete sense if you figure that they want to sell to big mining farms. It's got to be somewhat lest costly to manage N S5+ miners than 3N of something smaller. Not to mention some reduced cost for a single "bigger" controller compared to the existing S5.

It just isn't a "hobby" (used to be "home) miner. (Hobby term stolen from Phillip).

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Quote from: alh on August 10, 2015, 12:00:19 PM

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There's nothing to suggest, beyond speculation, that a BM1386 actually exists. The S5+ suggests that Bitmain has plenty of BM1384 parts for now.

Not too long ago, one of Bitmain's account here went and said that they wouldn't be doing tape-out of the "new chip" and that they wouldn't be selling it soon because competition failed to achieve a better/efficient chip.

There's probably already design and testing units in Bitmain's HQ, but besides that, there's no telling if/when a new product is coming out soon-ish.

Also... i was just joking Wink

I'm pretty darn happy with my S5s as it is

valkir

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Im still able to do some profit with the gear so I vote for option 3. Center + options left right. Grin

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Quote from: dropt on August 10, 2015, 11:33:40 AM

How about option 6? The "I'm not giving Bitmaintech another satoshi or red cent".

It blows my mind that people are still buying HW, let alone from these clowns.

Whom else is there to buy hardware from currently? Their competition hasn't made a new product in a long time and we are desperate for new miners.

Also if your power costs are low the s-5 at 352 can earn a profit for many miners.

I would argue bitmaintech is not the terrible villain people think they are.

Diff has had slow steady growth mostly due to bitmaintech not blowing out s-5's at 310 usd a piece.

While my mind wonders what btc would be like if the Asia builders kept selling to the public at decent prices

I do not think the current status is all that bad.

alh

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Quote from: chiguireitor on August 10, 2015, 11:14:30 AM

How about:

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Just give me the BM1386 already you mofos

There's nothing to suggest, beyond speculation, that a BM1386 actually exists. The S5+ suggests that Bitmain has plenty of BM1384 parts for now.

dropt

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How about option 6? The "I'm not giving Bitmaintech another satoshi or red cent".

It blows my mind that people are still buying HW, let alone from these clowns.

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How about:

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Just give me the BM1386 already you mofos

philipma1957

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Quote from: MarkAz on August 09, 2015, 09:14:01 PM

If they did break it up in the way you proposed, I would imagine that the middle (controller) cube's efficiency numbers are going to be much more like they are with the S5. Right now the overhead of the BB and the FPGA are spread across all 3 cubes - but now it would be just the one. At which point, you might as well just pick up some S5's.

I think it's best either beast-mode S5+ or just plain old S5's...

size matters the center piece is almost the same size as 1 s-5 and does 2x the hash.

BTW if the 3 pieces do 3450 watts each 1 does 1140 and 30 watts for the controller . so the middle piece would do 1140 + 30 or 1170 watts

if the entire thing does 7750 gh 1 does 2583 so 1170/2583 =

.4529 s-5+ vs .51 or .52 s-5

so you are off by a lot.

And I am certain 1 middle piece would ship far better then 3 piece set.

and If a order 1 center piece today and I center piece a week later I have 2 controllers when I only need 1.

How many 'my controller is dead posts' are on this site? I have no idea but I bet there are hundreds.

It is a fun poll and bitmaintech may read it , but they sell how they want to sell.
I know the center piece would sell well.

I am on record as wanting one from them at a reasonable price 900 and a 5 page review is reasonable to my way of thinking. I would be open to an offer on their part

This would sell and sell better then as three piece beast.

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Global economic crisis? i hold my bitcoin..

Just for fun poll, i choose option 2

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Quote from: dogie on August 10, 2015, 12:54:32 AM

What do you expect the controller's consumption to be, like 10W (ex fans)?

The BB should be low, like < 10w when it's up and doing things, but the FPGA could gobble up a decent amount of power depending on what they're using it for. Obviously fans are a hit to efficiency as well, but I wouldn't consider them part of the CPU costs since they're blade-specific in this case. FWIW, if they're the same fans as on the S5 I was just doing some power tests with them the other day, they consume about 0.20 amps at 110v (full power) - so if this thing has 6 fans, you're talking 1.2amps for fans alone, or almost 10% of the overall power consumption.

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philipma wrote about the fact that it is worth looking into buying s5 instead of s5+ . Looking at the price.
And here we have a new deal to s5 . Only 352 USD ( 1.323 BTC) .
It seems that the weight of the parcel jumped to 4.2kg . They can now sell a version with small heatsinks or I missed something ?

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