I don't know about reliability of previous Innosilicon miners, but recent A5 was not of a high quailty. Some of them started to burn, before Inno fixed this issue with updated software.
Also Inno delayed A5 for 2 monthes, while BM delivered D3 on time.
I also want more competition, but not with 50% higher price.
Topic: New ASIC launch: Innosilicon A6 : 1.23 Gh/s LTC MASTER, 6300 USD /unit, Moq:50 - page 2. (Read 1525 times)
January 10, 2018, 08:38:12 PM
January 10, 2018, 08:02:49 PM
I really don't understand why is the fuss around A6 and where is the Novelty ?? 
Yes, it has 2.45 times more hash than Bitmain's L3+, while is 2 times bigger, AND 4 (FOUR) times more expensive !
A6's ROI is 153 days currently, but for the same hash power of 1.23GHz , if you use (theoretically) 2.45 units of L3+ - you will get ROI = 99 days
- which mean A6 is 50% less profitable than L3+
Yes, it has 2.45 times more hash than Bitmain's L3+, while is 2 times bigger, AND 4 (FOUR) times more expensive !
A6's ROI is 153 days currently, but for the same hash power of 1.23GHz , if you use (theoretically) 2.45 units of L3+ - you will get ROI = 99 days
- which mean A6 is 50% less profitable than L3+
2 reasons.
1) Better efficiency. In the long run, the A4 A4+ and A6 will still be profitable when the L3+ turns into a money-loser.
2) RELIABILITY. Innosilicon has a TON BETTER reputation for reliability than Bitmain recent generations, and an INFINITELY better reputation for FIXING issues when they do crop up.
Overall though I'd prefer the A4+ *IF THE MOQ WAN'T SO INSANELY HIGH* due to the better flexability from it's much lower power draw.
January 10, 2018, 06:58:26 PM
I really don't understand why is the fuss around A6 and where is the Novelty ??
Yes, it has 2.45 times more hash than Bitmain's L3+, while is 2 times bigger, AND 4 (FOUR) times more expensive !
A6's ROI is 153 days currently, but for the same hash power of 1.23GHz , if you use (theoretically) 2.45 units of L3+ - you will get ROI = 99 days
- which mean A6 is 50% less profitable than L3+
Yes, it has 2.45 times more hash than Bitmain's L3+, while is 2 times bigger, AND 4 (FOUR) times more expensive !
A6's ROI is 153 days currently, but for the same hash power of 1.23GHz , if you use (theoretically) 2.45 units of L3+ - you will get ROI = 99 days
- which mean A6 is 50% less profitable than L3+
Simple answer here, I would rather spend a little more and get something more reliable. Innosilicon has had their problems in the past with software but once they work out the bugs on their units, they run very well. Also I really would like to see some more competition in the Asic space so I'm inclined to purchase real products when they come about from competitors.
I'd order one of these things today if they would sell to individuals...
January 10, 2018, 06:19:09 PM
I really don't understand why is the fuss around A6 and where is the Novelty ??
Yes, it has 2.45 times more hash than Bitmain's L3+, while is 2 times bigger, AND 4 (FOUR) times more expensive !
A6's ROI is 153 days currently, but for the same hash power of 1.23GHz , if you use (theoretically) 2.45 units of L3+ - you will get ROI = 99 days
- which mean A6 is 50% less profitable than L3+
Yes, it has 2.45 times more hash than Bitmain's L3+, while is 2 times bigger, AND 4 (FOUR) times more expensive !
A6's ROI is 153 days currently, but for the same hash power of 1.23GHz , if you use (theoretically) 2.45 units of L3+ - you will get ROI = 99 days
- which mean A6 is 50% less profitable than L3+
January 10, 2018, 04:56:50 PM
With current ltc price and difficulty annual earnings are 17.72k USD as crytpocompare's rough estimate
https://www.cryptocompare.com/mining/calculator/ltc?HashingPower=1.23&HashingUnit=GH%2Fs&PowerConsumption=140&CostPerkWh=0.12
https://www.cryptocompare.com/mining/calculator/ltc?HashingPower=1.23&HashingUnit=GH%2Fs&PowerConsumption=140&CostPerkWh=0.12
but as soon as the miners hit the mass
the difficulty will catch up too
and the price should increase to compensate for that
Bitmain has been pumping out thousands of L3/L3+ units over the last year - but difficulty has not gone up all that much.
Keep in mind that UNLIKE the situation with X11, there already was a quite large "installed base" of Scrypt ASIC miners in place prior to introduction of the L3 - and that the L3 wasn't "night and day" more efficient than some of them so most or all of the predating miners are STILL MINING.
The Scrypt situation is closer to the SHA256 situation, except that efficiency gains have been even HARDER to come by.
Price NEVER follows difficulty.
Price is always a factor that leads TO difficulty increased over time.
There is NO SUCH THING as "the price should increase to compensate for that", never has been, never will be.
January 10, 2018, 02:29:41 AM
but will they deliver?
With the ongoing A4 saga I would assume not anytime soon.
Good luck anyone who orders.
January 10, 2018, 12:48:29 AM
There really needs to be miners for the little guys to keep the mining truly decentralized. With a MOQ of 50 and a price of $6300, you can expect the mark up for single units to be $12k-$13k. At that price you are better off buying a few titan v's and mining some alts. You will get better longevity and flexibility out of them
January 09, 2018, 10:15:51 PM
but will they deliver?
January 09, 2018, 10:02:18 PM
0.614985 BTC = 10000 USD
56.476 LTC = 16800 USD
3200 USD
I'm confused
56.476 LTC = 16800 USD
3200 USD
I'm confused
Dear customers,
Thanks for your support to Innosilicon.
Innosilicon announced the world first GH LTC Miner - A6 LTCMaster, which is 1.23G, 1500W on 7th Jan. 2018. The unit price of A6 is 6300 USD. But the web page has just been launched, and some customers have a history page cache, which causes the price that is issued in website to be wrong. Please use CTRL +F5 to refresh the page. We are very sorry for any inconvenience.
Thanks for your valuable comments; we will continuously improve our service in the future. Looking forward to give our customers satisfactory services.
How about the little guys that just want 1-3 ?
January 09, 2018, 03:10:50 PM
An A4+ "double wide" - seems way expensive.
January 09, 2018, 11:33:35 AM
^ updated the OP with this info. Thanks.
January 09, 2018, 10:20:37 AM
0.614985 BTC = 10000 USD
56.476 LTC = 16800 USD
3200 USD
I'm confused
56.476 LTC = 16800 USD
3200 USD
I'm confused
Dear customers,
Thanks for your support to Innosilicon.
Innosilicon announced the world first GH LTC Miner - A6 LTCMaster, which is 1.23G, 1500W on 7th Jan. 2018. The unit price of A6 is 6300 USD. But the web page has just been launched, and some customers have a history page cache, which causes the price that is issued in website to be wrong. Please use CTRL +F5 to refresh the page. We are very sorry for any inconvenience.
Thanks for your valuable comments; we will continuously improve our service in the future. Looking forward to give our customers satisfactory services.
January 06, 2018, 07:54:18 PM
6 k wow is it really worth that .. most btc miners top out around 2k plus adding insult to injury 50 A6's required to buy ... man we need more company's making Scrpt miners sense we have enough now for BTC miners an that's keeping the price down some on btc miners, they are getting greedily and greedier every day .
an cost less not much less but less ....
hope so .
definitely interested in this, wish they had a group buy or a lower minimum quantity.
Curious to see if Bitmain is going to respond with something of their own.
Curious to see if Bitmain is going to respond with something of their own.
an cost less not much less but less ....
Yeah, having a Gh/s scale miner could be important for the marketing.
I smell other new miners coming soon from competitors (Bitmain, BW.com ...).
I smell other new miners coming soon from competitors (Bitmain, BW.com ...).
hope so .
January 06, 2018, 04:55:04 PM
I was wondering when Inno would come out with another "dual tube" miner.
They need to start setting up some distributors though, then they don't have to deal with us "small fry".
They need to start setting up some distributors though, then they don't have to deal with us "small fry".
January 06, 2018, 04:52:31 PM
definitely interested in this, wish they had a group buy or a lower minimum quantity.
Curious to see if Bitmain is going to respond with something of their own.
Curious to see if Bitmain is going to respond with something of their own.
January 06, 2018, 04:52:12 PM
Yeah, having a Gh/s scale miner could be important for the marketing.
I smell other new miners coming soon from competitors (Bitmain, BW.com ...).
I smell other new miners coming soon from competitors (Bitmain, BW.com ...).
January 06, 2018, 04:28:51 PM
It looks like 2 a4+ glued together.
Yes, I already said this exactly.
Probably the same hashing boards?Yeah, it is most likely pretty much the same hardware inside the A6, than in the A4+ miner.
They can cut costs by putting two A4+ units as a one package, only need to use one controller.
January 06, 2018, 04:20:37 PM
It looks like 2 a4+ glued together.
Yes, I already said this exactly.
Probably the same hashing boards?Yeah, it is most likely pretty much the same hardware inside the A6, than in the A4+ miner.
They can cut costs by putting two A4+ units as a one package, only need to use one controller.
January 06, 2018, 04:12:53 PM
It looks like 2 a4+ glued together.
Yes, I already said this exactly.
Probably the same hashing boards? January 06, 2018, 03:53:50 PM
With current ltc price and difficulty annual earnings are 17.72k USD as crytpocompare's rough estimate
https://www.cryptocompare.com/mining/calculator/ltc?HashingPower=1.23&HashingUnit=GH%2Fs&PowerConsumption=140&CostPerkWh=0.12
https://www.cryptocompare.com/mining/calculator/ltc?HashingPower=1.23&HashingUnit=GH%2Fs&PowerConsumption=140&CostPerkWh=0.12
but as soon as the miners hit the mass
the difficulty will catch up too
and the price should increase to compensate for that
Looks like the value wont compensate completely which is why you have to buy en-mass or hodl
https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/litecoin-mining_profitability.html
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