Topic: New Body Of Control? - page 4. (Read 1254 times)

Bitcoin can never be a global currency. Government and banks will not lose all control over the Bitcoin currency they might lose some. They do not know the transaction to whom to whom they have sent the transaction it will be very difficult to trace it. People will even escape from paying tax. It's not that easy to handle

I admire people who have the dream of a better system where people are heard and where people are actually in control of their own destiny. But this kind of dream (as acted upon) resulted into many chaotic things in the past.  Why? The answer: HUMAN NATURE. In the past, when there was no government what came in was anarchy and with human nature unchanged and intact it can be all men for themselves. In fact, this is one of the many reasons why we have government in the first place. Unfortunately, Bitcoin is the agency that is tasked to change human nature.

Now, having said that, personally I do not ever believe and even dream that one day Bitcoin can be the global currency that is accepted by all people anywhere, anytime. That is such an impossible dream. And I am sure those outside of cryptocurrency can even be laughing at that idea. We could not even have one single country (even a small state) that is using Bitcoin as the primary currency successfully. Just having cryptocurrency or involving ourselves in cryptocurrency does not mean that the world and the many existing realities will be starting to change for the better.

Is Bitcoin really here to take on the global economic system, topple it and changed it for the better? Or is it just another pipe dream that can be good to discuss but has not even an iota of chance of coming true?

It's not like that, I think Bitcoin would not be the only single currency in this world because without controlling you can't manage a financial system anymore, of course, the money supply should be under controlled, a lot of proper policy is the main pillar of this monetary system, Bitcoin is different thing in comparison to the conventional monetary system, it's not possible to make a single currency based world especially for the cryptocurrency, I don't think cryptocurrency will not be the mainstream monetary system, it would be used as a secondary currency system.

The tamper proof blockchain technology will be in place of this corrupt financial system of the world. This is the new body of "control" which would permit peer-to-peer transactions void of any centralized control from banks. The good thing is that this new body of control is transparent and also prevents double spending

Not that easy, banking and government always go hand in hand. Without banking the state cannot do anything to manage their finances. Cryptocurrency may not be the only currency that will be used, there will definitely be a possibility that banks will also make their own crypto versions that can be set according to government regulations. They see crypto as a technology, fast transaction technology, cashless transactions, and more practical without having to meet between users. But they are also thinking about the rules for regulating such technology.

government wont care what currency it is. if they charge 20% on income of any currency then
when you have 100tokens - 200 goes to government
use800 to pay bills - 160 goes to government from the utility company
pay utility workers  - 128 goes to government from their salary

government still ends up getting nearly 50% of tokens. whether the currency is public or private. if people are told to pay 20% of any income of any form. they wont care the source of the income. they only care about the 20%

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after the great recession of the previous century local communities wanted to be anti-gov and set up their own local law providing protection and business opertunities.. these were called mobs.

this could happen again but this time lets hope we are more civilised to have mobs/cartels that have some ethics and standards if they want to run local communities

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we will never get a "one world order" / 'one world currency' situation. . the actual thing to think about is the opposite. the decentralisation of communities

It's either we would be decentralized for some years, or the governments would take action and still regulate and establish the value of a single Bitcoin (assuming there would be no fiat to base the value of BTC).

Complete financian freedom would also mean illegal activities are more difficult to trace and eliminate.

If they want to take control, they must've hoarded enough to continue their operation as a governing body.

The only type of the system that can be put in place is for the government to put regulation in place, blockchain is still at the infant stage and will gain adoption as the time goes on. I am just looking at a way that all these regulations can be totally eliminated so that Satoshi's vision can be achieved.

Banks and governments would not lose all control. They would lose control of the base money supply and they would lose some ability to control how people spend their money. I think those losses of control are major benefits. There would be no need for new forms of control over people.

This is somehow an "ideal" scenario and, as we know, ideal things are most of the times impossible.

It's not that easy. People aren't accommodated to the way Bitcoin functions and it just won't work. Try teaching the average parent what Bitcoin is, briefly. Try teaching a grandparent and then a teenager. I bet you, although the difficulty of learning how Bitcoin works can be sorted descending (grandparents > parents > teenagers), that you still won't be able to teach even an Internet-dependent about Bitcoin in a very easy manner.

Then we have security and safety. In a world where Bitcoin is the universal currency, mistakes must be prevented and avoided due to the honesty and irreversibility of Bitcoin transactions. You've mistyped a letter? Your money is gone. Forever. And then, besides that, people will know your money lays on a paper wallet, an airgapped PC or a hardware wallet. Seed thieves would become a real danger, so would torture (sounds extreme, but I believe it's very possible) in order to forcefully get one's funds. Report this to the cops and they won't be able to do sh*t.

These two arguments have been said and I haven't even entered the "control vs freedom" subject. Control will always be a thing, it's been a thing since the beginning of humanity. There will never be complete freedom, because one person who wants to control the "sheeps" will always exist.

In this scenario you've thought of, Bitcoin would create big problems and could actually come with more disadvantages than advantages.

EDIT (apparently I'm an edit maniac):
In case someone thinks I've gone off topic, I want to ensure I've answered the actual question from the OP. Control over Bitcoin basically means control over decentralization. Good luck doing that, I guess? There's no body that would ensure 100% control over the Bitcoin network, unless impossible measures would be taken such as forcing every single citizen to declare their addresses (and who doesn't comply would be punished in an extreme way) in order to make a real link between identities and transactions. But if Bitcoin becoming the universal coin has very small chances, these measures would have even smaller ones.

Anyway you take it, this goes through as the invasion of privacy and the lack of freedom. Besides North Korea, no country's citizens would allow that to happen.

Let's just bring this thought back to reality... Bitcoin can never be the only currency system used around the world. It's just impossible as you have already seen with different forks and other altcoins being created after bitcoin paving the way.

It's similar to how you see the current fiat currencies. Despite the US dollar being used as a standard in determining currency value, different countries and nations still decided to create their own currencies.

My thought is even if the banks and governments were to adopt cryptocurrencies, They would instead create cryptos which they can control and tax for the masses to use.
Bitcoin is just a cryptocurrency for those who need some degree of freedom with their money and don't want to use the institutional bodies to store and transfer their money. Some people will always loves using it, others and the ignorant ones won't.

If we were to go to a 100% bitcoin currency system. The banks and governments would loose control of whole financial system. The present governments would loose control.

Therefore a new system would be needed to run each country. What do you think would be the new body of control?
How could this work?
What type of system would be put in place on this.?
I don't think the people can control themselves as too many minds and ideas of where things can go in a direction. Therefore you still need a council or kingdom of control.

your thoughts.