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legendary
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The paperwork part of the fiat world could be one of the best parts crypto world could get involved with the world without any trouble or challenge. I understand that if you compare "would you rather pay credit card or cash to pay a coffee or would you wait for a bitcoin transaction of 5 bucks and 40 minutes?" is not the land we want to die on, I understand that fiat is much better when you buy a cup of coffee right now, of course if we can scale bitcoin and have tons of apps on our phones that allow us to pay it with few cents and seconds we could compete with that but not right now.

However you could send 50 million dollars from one nation to another nation in 40 minutes for few bucks in crypto, which means if we can change our angle and make crypto something amazing internationally, we could grow so much bigger.

if we're looking at the big picture, crypto has real advantages over fiat when you send large chunk of money from one place to another. but of course, many people will look at the level of buying coffee or their burger from a fastfood chain. and that right now, is not advisable to do because of the high fees that they will incur for small amount of transaction.
so i got your logic there, sending multimillion dollars from one place to another actually takes time and require paperworks and spending a hefty amount for it if youre using the traditional method. but when it is in the form of crypto, waiting time of 40minutes is like no big deal and yes, few bucks, no matter how huge your transaction is. that is what theyre missing here. and that i guess is what these traditional banks are afraid of, when people realize that they can transfer such huge amount without using their services and that will actually be easier when they have CBDCs
legendary
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The paperwork part of the fiat world could be one of the best parts crypto world could get involved with the world without any trouble or challenge. I understand that if you compare "would you rather pay credit card or cash to pay a coffee or would you wait for a bitcoin transaction of 5 bucks and 40 minutes?" is not the land we want to die on, I understand that fiat is much better when you buy a cup of coffee right now, of course if we can scale bitcoin and have tons of apps on our phones that allow us to pay it with few cents and seconds we could compete with that but not right now.

However you could send 50 million dollars from one nation to another nation in 40 minutes for few bucks in crypto, which means if we can change our angle and make crypto something amazing internationally, we could grow so much bigger.
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Centralization I think is only concerned with taxation or government generating money from every transactions. This technology is getting more exposed in the eyes of many people relevant to its popularity. I doubt there are intentions concerning identity which could be an issue in the future. I think they are not interested even in that aspect. Big companies adopting this technology are simoly eyeing for profit and the possible reason why some governments are still against the adaptation is due to the nature of decentralization. And I think as of the moment, there's no other way than centralization as a way for global adoption of cryptos, not really in the hands of the users. That's how power works.
^ On my end here I don't believe that the government has used btc and eth as a test monkey neither being controlled and manipulated by the government for cryptocurrencies remains decentralized up to date. And if the government has a plan of creating their own cryptocurrency then automatically it loses the essence of being decentralized because the new cryptocurrency they are planning to create will then be governed by the central bank which transparency will be more questionable. And if it were so bitcoin owners will still hold on to bitcoin's ideology of being decentralized which is favorable to everyone.
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^ Governments will really do everything they can just to have control in the currency that is circulating in the economy, and they are using the situation where bitcoin owners are awaiting for the global acceptance of cryptocurrency in the market because if in case that decentralized currency will become the only means of exchanges then the government will have no ways of knowing the status of the economy. In fact, centralizing cryptocurrency is also one way of monitoring the identity of people who hold bitcoins or other stable coins which will possibly cause identity concerns in the future. In other words, it is beneficial for the central bank and the government if they can make cryptocurrency a centralized means of exchange and it is up to us bitcoin holders if we will let it happen just for the sake of global acceptance.
Centralization I think is only concerned with taxation or government generating money from every transactions. This technology is getting more exposed in the eyes of many people relevant to its popularity. I doubt there are intentions concerning identity which could be an issue in the future. I think they are not interested even in that aspect. Big companies adopting this technology are simoly eyeing for profit and the possible reason why some governments are still against the adaptation is due to the nature of decentralization. And I think as of the moment, there's no other way than centralization as a way for global adoption of cryptos, not really in the hands of the users. That's how power works.
legendary
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There is no FIAT vs CBDCs. Its "FIAT+CBDCs versus Bitcoin/ Crypto". Bitcoin has single handedly created a new economic space which is accessible to everyone in the world irrespective of where they live or who they are. This space was then expanded upon by Ethereum with its ERC-20 token phenomena. While very susceptible and replete with scams, these "promises" are often the first step into the world of crypto for a lot of people. Some of those "promises" have turned a lot of people rich who otherwise wouldn't have had these opportunities.  There is an additional streak of creativity being added to the space with everything from music, videos, photographs to digital art finding a way to blockchain or tokenization. CBDCs are just a way for the authorities to claw their way into this emerging space.

I don't think CBDCs can be influence those who actually understand blockchain. CBDCs just don't give you the same freedom that Bitcoin or Ethereum does. I think they will serve well to assuage those who fear anything related to "crypto". They can then find their own way in the space. In that way, I think CBDCs will just benefit
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i see only serious coins are USDT and goverment dont need their own  new ones USDT is ready
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^ Governments will really do everything they can just to have control in the currency that is circulating in the economy, and they are using the situation where bitcoin owners are awaiting for the global acceptance of cryptocurrency in the market because if in case that decentralized currency will become the only means of exchanges then the government will have no ways of knowing the status of the economy. In fact, centralizing cryptocurrency is also one way of monitoring the identity of people who hold bitcoins or other stable coins which will possibly cause identity concerns in the future. In other words, it is beneficial for the central bank and the government if they can make cryptocurrency a centralized means of exchange and it is up to us bitcoin holders if we will let it happen just for the sake of global acceptance.
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The Fiat currency is ubiquitous and much easier to transact with in the central banks of each country. Even if the government plans to make crypto fiat currency will take a long time. Cryptocurrency is explorable in nature in the sense that it does not reveal your value or the amount of your wallet and no one has any idea about the location of your wallet.  Fiat currency is recognizable because central banks is usually maintained in banks and thus government authorities and banks may have complete information about your receipts and payments. Nothing can stop these transactions as transactions with cryptocurrencies are free from government and bank interference.
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Bitcoin and ethereum and all other cryptos were not "test" ones, they were the real ones, if you really want to call anything test I would say that USDT could be a test one because it showed the world and the governments that people are not afraid of using stable currencies in crypto world at all, there is 10+ billion dollars given to some unknown company that nobody has seen or even registered in a big nation just because they gave the option of stablecoins to people; which allowed governments to say "maybe we could do the same and get tens of billions of dollars easily from public as well, like free money" and that is why they are starting.

A central bank stablecoin is not rival to bitcoin at all, they are different things, it is a competition for USDT and other similar ones.
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The government are creating their own digital currencies and it's going to be backed by the same currency of the country that owns. These Central bank digital currencies (CBDC) are just like stablecoins, and stablecoins are cryptocurrencies that are pegged or backed by a particular fiat or real currency.

And for example we have USDT which is backed by the US dollar and we also have others that are backed by the same US dollar such as DAI, TUSD, and the rest of them. Then we also have EURS that's pegged to the Euro (€). So, that's how these CBDC are going to be look like. They don't make any difference, you're still holding the same fiat.
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the goverments have plan to create their own cryptocurrenicies, so the btc and eth was just testing currencies to see how it works and get people to use with cryptocurrenies?
first whats wrong with fiat currency? the cash is works good nothing wrong with this.
Yeah, nothing is wrong with fiat currency. We just have to believe that a piece of paper that was printed has a value. We also have to believe that there is nothing wrong with being able to print as much money as the government want. We also have to be okay with the government destroying the whole currency value in the process of controlling the currency.
second how they are going to control how much to issue the currency and how the value will be backed?
and by who the transparanscy is guranteed?
If it is going to be a centralized crypto currency, then the government can pretty much control everything, starting from supply to the price. Transparency? I doubt we will see any transparency when it comes to government owned crypto currency. We will have a limited access to the chain information.
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the goverments have plan to create their own cryptocurrenicies, so the btc and eth was just testing currencies to see how it works and get people to use with cryptocurrenies?
first whats wrong with fiat currency? the cash is works good nothing wrong with this.
second how they are going to control how much to issue the currency and how the value will be backed?
and by who the transparanscy is guranteed?

If its issued by the government expect the unlimited supply and this is the big problem o fiat currency which ordinary people didn't realize how the inflation is killing the value of fiat money.

Yes, some government is trying to create their own digital currency so they can still control their people and I'm just thankful that I'm living in a democratic country which I can have the privileged or the right to choose on what currency to be used. Hopefully every country can still support bitcoin and altcoins, we are not here to compete at all because we just want to offer a good services to everyone.
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First, the creation of digital versions of currencies by banks does not mean that it will be the same as ETH, BTC, and so on. This means that the available fin tools will be improved for greater transparency, speed of exchange, and so on.

Secondly, in the case of the Central Bank, such currencies will be backed by Fiat and that's it. You do not ask "what is backing money on my card??". And what kind of security for the backing dollar can we talk about when only this year several trillion dollars were just printed. Do you think they are provided with something physical? I have some bad news for you.

As a result , we have the following options for the future
1) such digital currencies will be used as a tool for interbank relations/corporate settlements/other business and will not go into "open" circulation
2) digital currencies  will gradually replace the "classic" processing such as American Express, Western Union, Visa and will exist as a faster and cheaper analogue of these companies and their systems, but will still be analog for Fiat currencies
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I don't want to think too complicated.

The government can create its own cryptocurrency and force every exchange in their countries to add the coin to the exchanges list. There is nothing wrong with fiat currency as we know that people out there are satisfied with the fiat currency, and many still don't know about cryptocurrency. The fiat currency is doing the jobs in the payment transaction.

I don't know how the government controls its own cryptocurrency or fiat currency, but I am sure that the government can do it with its officials. The government doesn't want to tell the public about their way because that is part of their secret. We don't have to think much about that because we can only guess without knowing if that is right or just speculating. Let them manage it for us, and we can use it without thinking much Grin
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the goverments have plan to create their own cryptocurrenicies, so the btc and eth was just testing currencies to see how it works and get people to use with cryptocurrenies?
first whats wrong with fiat currency? the cash is works good nothing wrong with this.
second how they are going to control how much to issue the currency and how the value will be backed?
and by who the transparanscy is guranteed?

I think the ease of doing cross border transactions with a technology which automatically keeps a ledger and accountability of all the transaction is what is fascinating for the banks about cryptocurrencies. India shared some plans that they are working on development of a central cryptocurrency called "Laxmi". Actually the focus of these currencies won't be on decentralisation and they won't be backed by anything. Even BTC isn't backed by anything. It would be backed by the technology and commitment from the government but obviously these will never be with limited supply like Bitcoin is. Governments would always want to have the control of the money in the economy so these cryptocurrencies might have the facilities of coin burn and coin creating pretty easily.
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so the btc and eth was just testing currencies to see how it works and get people to use with cryptocurrenies?
Are you the same as those guys that are having conspiracy theories about bitcoin was being made by the fed? Don't think a lot from that speculation as cryptocurrencies aren't the testing or beta for their digital currencies. In fact, there were already digitalized payments before the launching and stage of crypto being recognized. The government has cope up whichever is the trend, they don't want to be late and they see the real growth for bitcoin. If they create cbdc, they are recognizing crypto but they only think that they're better because they can adjust, freeze, add supply, reduce the supply and other controls that they want to. But if you analyze it, they will never be par with crypto which have been considered as a good investment unlike cbdc, they're just printed money that upgraded to digital.
i dont know if fed created or not how i know ? i wasnt there lol:D i can only say what i seen or i know for sure.
I'm only comparing you with those folks that have been creating conspiracy theories whom created bitcoin. I know that you weren't there and your curiosity is ticking because of the things that happen with bitcoin lately. If bitcoin or cryptocurrencies originated from the government then it wouldn't be a decentralized currency. However, there were cryptos that has been made to be centralized and we're already using it. So if ever they create their own, we can easily adopt if we are going to use it. But as for me, I wouldn't as long as I don't have to use it.
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There's a lot to be said about the problems of the current fiat system, first and foremost would be transparency. We only see what they actually say that they spend on a project or so, but is it really the truth? Next would be that we're currently moving towards a cashless society imo. It may not be a 100% cashless one, but the majority of transactions should be paid via cashless, simply because we have the ability to do so. Ignoring that and still trying out the current fiat currency is like ignoring the strong points that we could obtain.

Also if you're simply asking about transparency, then the guarantee is basically the way cbdc is made. If it was made basically the same as how transparency of other cryptos works, then I think most would pretty much agree with it. That is if they make it a type of decentralized currency, but if it was simply digital currency, then nothing much was changed excep that it was moved to be used digitally. It's like moving from using a paper or log book to using Microsoft Excel instead.
legendary
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CBDCs won't make Bitcoin and Ethereum obsolete. Bitcoin and Ethereum were not experiments created for the eventual unfolding and issuance of government-issued digital currencies. On the contrary, CBDCs are to be issued as a sort of response to the current monetary system being disrupted to a certain extent by the rising popularity of Bitcoin.

There's a lot of wrong with fiat, but worry not it won't change much with CBDCs. Cash works but it means little opportunity for the government to monitor its use. A digital version of it would make everything smoother for them. But the change would certainly be gradual.

As for its value, transparency, control, and so on, they are all the same with the old fiat. Government's digital currencies are fiat currencies.
CBDC is not the villain as everyone might paint it. CBDC is a way to make the circulation of money through the economy much faster because they do not need to go through mediums like banks, the purpose of it was not to compete with cryptocurrency but to help stimulate the economy without inflating the value of fiat currency. I can agree that fiat has a lot of problem, but there is something more problematic than that that prevents cryptocurrency adoption in massive scale, and that is cryptocurrency's volatility.

It depends on how you see it. If fiat is not a villain then CBDC is also not a villain. After all, it is just an improved fiat, although in many aspects including control and surveillance most of all. I am in favor of CBDC myself as compared to hard cash but it shouldn't entirely phase out cash at almost an instant. However, if fiat is something you don't trust, then the same goes to CBDCs.

I think CBDCs are created to address issues which are made timely and relevant due to the rising adoption of Bitcoin and cryptocurrency. I bet they wouldn't have thought of confronting the issues head-on had Bitcoin and cryptocurrency not taken the world by storm in so quick a time. And so to a certain extent they're made to directly or indirectly compete with crypto. At the very least, Bitcoin has served as the catalyst of CBDCs.
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Recent research by the world bank and the imf shows that the central banks of both emerging and developed economies have a very positive view of the benefits of the CBDC initiative and they are keen to keep all these features in their digital currency policy. The main advantage of CBDC is that it reduces the operating costs of the banking sector and opens up access to banking services for citizens outside the scope of banking services if CBDCs are successfully adopted they will evolve in line with existing blockchain solutions.
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CBDCs won't make Bitcoin and Ethereum obsolete. Bitcoin and Ethereum were not experiments created for the eventual unfolding and issuance of government-issued digital currencies. On the contrary, CBDCs are to be issued as a sort of response to the current monetary system being disrupted to a certain extent by the rising popularity of Bitcoin.

There's a lot of wrong with fiat, but worry not it won't change much with CBDCs. Cash works but it means little opportunity for the government to monitor its use. A digital version of it would make everything smoother for them. But the change would certainly be gradual.

As for its value, transparency, control, and so on, they are all the same with the old fiat. Government's digital currencies are fiat currencies.
CBDC is not the villain as everyone might paint it. CBDC is a way to make the circulation of money through the economy much faster because they do not need to go through mediums like banks, the purpose of it was not to compete with cryptocurrency but to help stimulate the economy without inflating the value of fiat currency. I can agree that fiat has a lot of problem, but there is something more problematic than that that prevents cryptocurrency adoption in massive scale, and that is cryptocurrency's volatility.
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