New "Choose your wallet" page on bitcoin.org

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Quote from: BitCoinDream on July 17, 2014, 06:14:13 PM

I have problem with the line The developers of this wallet publish the source code. I think, it should be changed to The developers of this wallet publish the client side source code, unless blockchain.info publishes the server side.

I've added a mention of the client in the text, good point, thanks!

Quote from: BitCoinDream on July 17, 2014, 06:14:13 PM

Moreover, as I can see u r Bitcoin.org maintainer, I would like to know, if the answers under the following question are paid ?

https://bitcoin.org/en/faq#how-does-one-acquire-bitcoins

Do you mean if one of the website is paying for being linked here?

If I understand your question correctly, then the answer is no. Actually you can assume no link on bitcoin.org is (or has been) generating any kind of income so far to my knowledge (except the Foundation sponsorship banner of course, but it's clearly stated).

If you think any link is worth being replaced by another or anything, feel free to open a pull request (preferably only if you believe there's a good reason in doing so, because updating all translations is time consuming).

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Quote from: blockgenesis on July 17, 2014, 05:14:14 PM

Quote from: BitCoinDream on July 17, 2014, 04:52:26 PM

Regarding BlockChain.info u have stated this...

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The developers of this wallet publish the source code. This means any developer in the world can audit the code. However, you still need to trust developers of this wallet when installing or updating the final software because it was not built deterministically like Bitcoin Core.

But, AFAIK, the complete source code is not open like Bitcoin-QT. Only the client side JS is open. Please check the bottom of https://blockchain.info/wallet/security

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The client side javascript is available at https://github.com/blockchain

We dont know what is happening at the server side !!!

To my understanding, transactions are signed locally by the app, so blockchain.info servers can only be used to get data from the block chain. The "decentralization" score takes care of this part: "This wallet relies on a centralized service by default. This means a third party must be trusted to not hide or simulate payments."

This being said, if someone can prove me wrong and show that any of these centralized servers can do more than just providing block chain data when the open-source client is loaded, I would certainly agree to use the "closed-source" dialog instead.

I have problem with the line The developers of this wallet publish the source code. I think, it should be changed to The developers of this wallet publish the client side source code, unless blockchain.info publishes the server side.

Moreover, as I can see u r Bitcoin.org maintainer, I would like to know, if the answers under the following question are paid ?

https://bitcoin.org/en/faq#how-does-one-acquire-bitcoins

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Quote from: nahtnam on July 17, 2014, 02:29:29 PM

Looks good, but its slightly more confusing than the original page. Im not saying that its hard to understand, its just lest user friendly than having 3 LARGE buttons (original page).

A person has to be really dumb not to understand this at first sight.
Looks way better than the original if you ask me.

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Quote from: BitCoinDream on July 17, 2014, 04:52:26 PM

Regarding BlockChain.info u have stated this...

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The developers of this wallet publish the source code. This means any developer in the world can audit the code. However, you still need to trust developers of this wallet when installing or updating the final software because it was not built deterministically like Bitcoin Core.

But, AFAIK, the complete source code is not open like Bitcoin-QT. Only the client side JS is open. Please check the bottom of https://blockchain.info/wallet/security

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The client side javascript is available at https://github.com/blockchain

We dont know what is happening at the server side !!!

To my understanding, transactions are signed locally by the app, so blockchain.info servers can only be used to get data from the block chain. The "decentralization" score takes care of this part: "This wallet relies on a centralized service by default. This means a third party must be trusted to not hide or simulate payments."

This being said, if someone can prove me wrong and show that any of these centralized servers can do more than just providing block chain data when the open-source client is loaded, I would certainly agree to use the "closed-source" dialog instead.

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Quote from: blockgenesis on July 17, 2014, 04:29:06 PM

Quote from: nahtnam on July 17, 2014, 03:27:49 PM

Its just that its not user friendly!

I would much rather have a shitty design and have it be easy to use, than a good design but harder to use.

FWIW, the old page was considered hard to use / confusing for many reasons according to the comments I have reviewed, naming some:

- Wallets were either duplicated all over the place, or some web wallets were isolated to a single category even though they provide an app.
- People were missing the separation between wallets categories and mixing them all together.
- Some wallets did have their names hidden with a mandatory disclaimer, which many people found confusing.
- Previous layout was filled with texts and I've seen people complaining the page wasn't "palatable" for newcomers as a result.
- The previous layout was very innefficient at allowing people to find an app for their choosen OS (would become a problem in the future).
- Etc..

..So if there's specific issues like these with the new layout, I'm certainly interested to hear them and think of future changes. This page is clearly not one I'd consider easy to improve until it pleases everyone.

IMO, I prefer the design there is right now.

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Regarding BlockChain.info u have stated this...

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The developers of this wallet publish the source code. This means any developer in the world can audit the code. However, you still need to trust developers of this wallet when installing or updating the final software because it was not built deterministically like Bitcoin Core.

But, AFAIK, the complete source code is not open like Bitcoin-QT. Only the client side JS is open. Please check the bottom of https://blockchain.info/wallet/security

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The client side javascript is available at https://github.com/blockchain

We dont know what is happening at the server side !!!

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Quote from: nahtnam on July 17, 2014, 03:27:49 PM

Its just that its not user friendly!

I would much rather have a shitty design and have it be easy to use, than a good design but harder to use.

FWIW, the old page was considered hard to use / confusing for many reasons according to the comments I have reviewed, naming some:

- Wallets were either duplicated all over the place, or some web wallets were isolated to a single category even though they provide an app.
- People were missing the separation between wallets categories and mixing them all together.
- Some wallets did have their names hidden with a mandatory disclaimer, which many people found confusing.
- Previous layout was filled with texts and I've seen people complaining the page wasn't "palatable" for newcomers as a result.
- The previous layout was very innefficient at allowing people to find an app for their choosen OS (would become a problem in the future).
- Etc..

..So if there's specific issues like these with the new layout, I'm certainly interested to hear them and think of future changes. This page is clearly not one I'd consider easy to improve until it pleases everyone.

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Quote from: roslinpl on July 17, 2014, 03:26:12 PM

Quote from: nahtnam on July 17, 2014, 02:29:29 PM

Looks good, but its slightly more confusing than the original page. Im not saying that its hard to understand, its just lest user friendly than having 3 LARGE buttons (original page).

Hehe

But now you have more wallets to choose

Old one was pretty retarded now it is really cool!

I understand what are you talking about as when I saw that I had similar feeling that it is less user friendly - but we know this site from some time and we get used to the old panel.

So new bitcoiners will learn how to use this "new" one

and they will find it very easy in usage I think.

Its just that its not user friendly!

I would much rather have a shitty design and have it be easy to use, than a good design but harder to use.

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Quote from: nahtnam on July 17, 2014, 02:29:29 PM

Looks good, but its slightly more confusing than the original page. Im not saying that its hard to understand, its just lest user friendly than having 3 LARGE buttons (original page).

Hehe

But now you have more wallets to choose

Old one was pretty retarded now it is really cool!

I understand what are you talking about as when I saw that I had similar feeling that it is less user friendly - but we know this site from some time and we get used to the old panel.

So new bitcoiners will learn how to use this "new" one

and they will find it very easy in usage I think.

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Looks good, but its slightly more confusing than the original page. Im not saying that its hard to understand, its just lest user friendly than having 3 LARGE buttons (original page).

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I just tested GreenAddress for Iphone. Looks promising for everyday payments because of the "instant confirmation" option where the receiver trusts green address for the confirmation. Still some bugs, not possible to add watch only addresses, not possible to add private keys without sweeping, If you want to add an address to your address book you have to type it manually. Iphone lacks a decent bitcoin wallet.

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Quote from: shorena on July 17, 2014, 01:32:03 PM

Quote from: slaveforanunnak1 on July 17, 2014, 01:26:03 PM

Where is Dark Wallet?

Its still in Alpha isnt it? IIRC the devs discourage its use for non testcoins. Would make no sense to add it now.

OH.. ok! that makes sense! i thought they were out of alpha release but i think you're right.

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Quote from: slaveforanunnak1 on July 17, 2014, 01:26:03 PM

Where is Dark Wallet?

Its still in Alpha isnt it? IIRC the devs discourage its use for non testcoins. Would make no sense to add it now.

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Where is Dark Wallet?

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Quote from: inBitweTrust on July 17, 2014, 08:33:30 AM

Nice but the lack of hardware wallets is really depressing.

AFAIK they are coming soon, I just wanted to reserve them some room for the near future.

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Thanks for the feedback, glad to know most of you are liking the result!

GreenAddress / BitGo have been added recently, but not as part as this pull request.

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It is much much better than before!!!

Good job guys! Now this looks much more pro and the choice is wider with more informations about!

I love it!

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Nice but the lack of hardware wallets is really depressing.

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It looks nice and I see the wallet list is growing
Either that or I haven't been on the page in a while green address looks cool.

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maybe i'm old but i feel all this rollover stuff is a bit overdone

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