Topic: New Data points to antivaxers getting sick from covid and vaxers not getting sic - page 2. (Read 273 times)

So I read your link on budesondie.

It is helpful and reduced hospital need.

Much like seatbelts help in a car accident.

But do I want to get into a car accident and pray the seatbelt saves me.

Still looking for vaccine death numbers in the numbers you state

cant find them yet.

Hey if the numbers show that no vax works well good one less shot.

So I would need to see about 4000000 dead from vax for it to be clearly worse than covid

right now worldometers says 3.8 million dead from covid.

so lets say lots of good seatbelts like budesonide work and drop number to 2 million

vaxs kill 1 million

which game do you want to play.

the one with 2 million dead ☠️
or the one with 1 million dead ☠️

So far you look to play the dead with 3.8 million which pretend should have been 2 million with good treatments.

for you to be correct with vaxing i will give you that even 500000 clearly dead from vax is enough for concern.

so show me good vax dead 💀 stats.

Your steroid stats look like many could have been saved with early steroid over late ventilator.

Both, USA Today and Yahoo have articles on VAERS. If either of them happened to miss the Harvard School of Medicine study, maybe they aren't looking hard enough.

VAERS says over 5,000 dead from the vaccines. Harvard says VAERS gets less than 1% of the reports. Okay, so there are mistakes made. But they are little mistakes. There are easily 50,000 dead in the USA from the vaccines. But the mistakes might have been the other way. There might be nearly a million dead from the vaccines.

But who cares. You gotta go sometime. If you think you need a vaccine for simple vitamin D deficiency called Covid, have at the vaccine.

Some people are suicidal. They hear about VAERS and the Harvard study. They get the vaxx. And they don't die. They get a bunch more VAXX's and they still don't die. So, they are frustrated with the fact that they have such a strong immune system.

If you have any friends like this, tell 'em to just wait a few more months.

     Seeing a post with a topic like this, I cannot stop myself from waiting for what badecker has to say about this again(excuse me for this). 

     But seriously though, being from a city that has many cases and have experienced first hand having close friends die from covid, I am more in favor of getting vaccinated. I mean, if it means I can protect my loved ones from suffering the same fate as some of my close friends and their families, I would gladly take the risk. Although it is very scary since the vaccines available today are still very young and has too little data to study about, the thought of being the reason for your loved ones getting infected scares me more. (I am sure people like me who have no choice but to leave the comfort of their homes every day to make a living understands how I feel.)

Whether you vax or don't vax you are betting your life.

Time will tell which is the better bet.
It is possible and maybe likely that

if you vax you will win.        this may turn out to be 99.95 to  99.99 % you win
if you don't vax you will win this may tune out to be 99.00 to 99.50% you win

And MSM got everyone pissed off about numbers in the ballpark of what I am saying.

1 to 5 out of 10000 vaxers dead

vs

50 to 100 out of 10000 antivaxers dead

in both case plenty of winners.

Time will tell.

I think the vaccine is proving to be effective if vaccinated patients are far less in the hospitals while non-vaccinated patients are over 95% or more in the hospital according to what I read above. Like me, I am not taking any vaccine, but this is just because no sign of the virus in my state, not even in my neighboring states, this makes me to have the strong opinion that I am not taking the vacinne. But I will not speak against people not to have it no more because I think the positive result of people that take the vaccine are high, only very few are complaning of blood clots and some other adverse effect. Before, the old people are the ones more admitted in the hospitals as they are more susceptible to the virus, but now the young people that are not taking the vacinne are more susceptible to the virus even than the old people, I am not saying someone should take the vaccine, but this points is proving how the vaccine may be very important to reduce the spread.

Yahoo article says 19 to 1 ratios in the hospitals

USA TODAY
People hospitalized with COVID-19 now have one overwhelming thing in common. They're not vaccinated.
Elizabeth Weise and Aleszu Bajak, USA TODAY
Wed, June 16, 2021, 10:48 AM
In Minnesota, the HealthPartners system has seen a “precipitous decline” in COVID-19 hospitalizations, says Dr. Mark Sannes, an infectious disease physician and senior medical director for the system, which operates nine hospitals and more than 55 clinics. But now, nearly every admitted patient he does see is unvaccinated.

“Less than 1% of our hospitalized COVID patients are vaccinated," he said.

In Ohio, at University Hospitals Cleveland Medical Center, only 2% of the COVID-19 patients admitted in the last month were vaccinated, said Dr. Robert Salata, the hospital's physician-in-chief.

And at Sanford Health, which runs 44 medical centers and more than 200 clinics across the Dakotas, Minnesota and Iowa, less than 5% of the 1,456 patients admitted with COVID-19 so far this year were fully vaccinated, said spokesperson Angela Dejene.

Falling rates of COVID-19 across the United States mask a harsh reality – the overwhelming majority of those getting sick and being hospitalized today are unvaccinated, while vaccinated patients are becoming rare.

Hospitals in states with the lowest vaccination rates tend to have more COVID-19 patients in intensive care units, according to hospital data collected in the past week by the Department of Health and Human Services and vaccination rates published by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Wyoming, Missouri, Arkansas and Idaho currently have the highest percentage of COVID-19 patients on average in their ICUs; those states all have vaccinated less than 40% of their population.

Medical centers say there's also an obvious change in the age of their sickest patients, as older people are much more likely to be vaccinated than younger.

"We're all seeing the same thing – when someone does get sick and comes to the hospital, they're much more likely to be young and unvaccinated," said Dr. Robert Wachter, professor and chair of the Department of Medicine at the University of California, San Francisco.

Cathy Bennett, president and CEO of the New Jersey Hospital Association, said the picture is the same in her state.

"As COVID vaccinations rolled out across New Jersey, there’s been a major shift in the ages of patients admitted to the hospital," said Bennett. "Unlike last spring, when those 65 and older accounted for the majority of hospitalizations, we’re now seeing more young people hospitalized with COVID."

In Ohio, Salata said the shift should be reassuring, showing the vaccines work.

"It sends a very strong message to the hesitancy people out there because the data speaks for itself," he said.

'It's not all about you'

Doctors say there are multiple reasons people aren't yet vaccinated. There are the hesitant, who still have questions and sometimes fall prey to misinformation, and the opposed, who often harbor anti-government or anti-science sentiments.

"We've had a little success when we've spoken to them on a one-to-one basis. We can give them the information that they need to make their decision," said Dr. Gerald Maloney, chief medical officer for hospital services at Geisinger health network, which runs nine hospitals in Pennsylvania.

Some still can't easily access vaccine, either because it's not available nearby or because they can't get time off work.

And while the U.S. government paid for all vaccines and vaccinations so no one should be charged, others remain fearful they will be on the financial hook for a shot, Maloney said.

Eleanor Leisenring speaks with Cheryl McHale, RN, after receiving the COVID-19 vaccine at a Geisinger community vaccine center in Danville, Pa.
Eleanor Leisenring speaks with Cheryl McHale, RN, after receiving the COVID-19 vaccine at a Geisinger community vaccine center in Danville, Pa.
Last week, Health and Human Services secretary Secretary Xavier Becerra clarified in a letter that providers may not bill patients for COVID-19 vaccines.

There's still a lot of work to be done to create the trust necessary for these groups to embrace vaccination, Maloney said.

"The people who say, 'It's my body, my choice?' Well, it's not all about you," he said. "It's also about the people that you're around."

At this point, every vaccination is a win, one more person who can't pass the virus along. That's especially true in families where children can't be vaccinated and are still at risk.

At Akron Children’s Hospital in Ohio, “we have not seen any kiddos who have been admitted to the hospital who have been vaccinated,” said Dr. Michael Bigham, a pediatric intensivist in the critical care unit.

Among children 11 and younger, who can’t yet get the vaccine, having vaccinated family members is keeping them out of the hospital, and protecting them against MIS-C, the multisystem inflammatory syndrome that can be a rare but dangerous aftereffect of a COVID-19 infection in children.

“Most of the kids we’re seeing in the hospital with COVID or MIS-C had COVID in their household, maybe a parent or a grandparent, and most of those individuals had not been vaccinated,” he said.

The message from health care workers is unanimous: They just aren't seeing many vaccinated people get sick.

In New Jersey, the percentage of COVID-19 hospitalizations among those ages 18 to 29 has increased 58% since the beginning of the year. By comparison, the percentage of COVID-19 hospitalizations among the 65 and older age group – with a statewide vaccination rate of more than 80% – declined by 31.2%.

The numbers are no coincidence, Bennett said.

"Vaccination," she said, "works in preventing severe COVID illness."

This article originally appeared on USA TODAY: Majority of COVID-19 hospital patients in US now unvaccinated, younger


Note  I copy paste from yahoo