Opened a poll here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/poll-hacked-account-as-collateral-keep-or-sell-1258163
About what action I should take when the loan won't be repaid on time.
Topic: New form of loan defaulting? [Suspicious "hacked" account] (Read 1762 times)
i hope you all figure this out and dont get into fights we all expect legitimacy into this
Yes, I hope also like that.
Hopefully with some of the evidence I have given it could provide clues to Zeloxar and readers here that it was actually my account.
And I also have a question to Zeloxar, are you've tried to communicate with people who already offers this account? And if indeed he is the owner of the original KenR account, trying to prove to the post that I have made above https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13034031, can be proved by him all?
I think you have to wait for the due date of the loan after it get expired and the loan get defaulted then i think you can do anything about it. till then both have to wait for it. or else you both can come to any mutual understanding and solve this problem.
i hope you all figure this out and dont get into fights we all expect legitimacy into this
Yes, I hope also like that.
Hopefully with some of the evidence I have given it could provide clues to Zeloxar and readers here that it was actually my account.
And I also have a question to Zeloxar, are you've tried to communicate with people who already offers this account? And if indeed he is the owner of the original KenR account, trying to prove to the post that I have made above https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13034031, can be proved by him all?
I will not give you your account even when you can prove it to me - prove it to the admins and recover it.
I will probably sell the account if the loan hasn't been paid back till the 24th of November, but before that I'll let the community decide.
i hope you all figure this out and dont get into fights we all expect legitimacy into this
There is no fight about it. Either RKen recovers the account via the admin or I'm keeping it until it gets settled. And your post is extremely spammy and useless. i hope you all figure this out and dont get into fights we all expect legitimacy into this
Yes, I hope also like that.
Hopefully with some of the evidence I have given it could provide clues to Zeloxar and readers here that it was actually my account.
And I also have a question to Zeloxar, are you've tried to communicate with people who already offers this account? And if indeed he is the owner of the original KenR account, trying to prove to the post that I have made above https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13034031, can be proved by him all?
i hope you all figure this out and dont get into fights we all expect legitimacy into this
I'm still here.
I take this part of my post so that at least can be used as proof that it really was my own account.
Rollin.io giveaway with my twitter account
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11574778
I make Coolcoin logo and I have master design
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6665312
I make Talkcoin logo and I have master design
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6521816
Verified BTCJAM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10438271
FortuneJack.com account with same btc address (if you want, i will give you my password for check it):
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12893676
Thank you
-KenR-
I take this part of my post so that at least can be used as proof that it really was my own account.
Rollin.io giveaway with my twitter account
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11574778
I make Coolcoin logo and I have master design
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6665312
I make Talkcoin logo and I have master design
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6521816
Verified BTCJAM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10438271
FortuneJack.com account with same btc address (if you want, i will give you my password for check it):
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12893676
Thank you
-KenR-
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Oh, thanks for the research. I was the one who changed the password of that account. But I don't have a signed message, which means that even when this is a whole scam he will run away with his account and his bitcoin?
Oh, thanks for the research. I was the one who changed the password of that account. But I don't have a signed message, which means that even when this is a whole scam he will run away with his account and his bitcoin?
Unlikely. Admins will most likely not restore the account because of this thread alone. If RKen is indeed the original owner and was scammed as well you two need to find an agreement. From past experience[1] this can take several months.
[1] see MinermanNC vs. TerraMaster -> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-talk-account-hacked-any-way-to-recover-982538
There are no forum rules regarding this. What the community will find acceptable or not greatly depends on how convincing the "account was hacked" story is or will be in the future.
Well, let's see what happens till then.
Maybe they realized they won't get away with it. As you said no one could ever find out you own the account as a collateral but he did and so who could possibly told this claimer so its I'm certain its a plot.
it would be funny to think the hacker told him he used it to loan.
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Oh, thanks for the research. I was the one who changed the password of that account. But I don't have a signed message, which means that even when this is a whole scam he will run away with his account and his bitcoin?
Oh, thanks for the research. I was the one who changed the password of that account. But I don't have a signed message, which means that even when this is a whole scam he will run away with his account and his bitcoin?
Unlikely. Admins will most likely not restore the account because of this thread alone. If RKen is indeed the original owner and was scammed as well you two need to find an agreement. From past experience[1] this can take several months.
[1] see MinermanNC vs. TerraMaster -> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-talk-account-hacked-any-way-to-recover-982538
There are no forum rules regarding this. What the community will find acceptable or not greatly depends on how convincing the "account was hacked" story is or will be in the future.
Well, let's see what happens till then.
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Oh, thanks for the research. I was the one who changed the password of that account. But I don't have a signed message, which means that even when this is a whole scam he will run away with his account and his bitcoin?
Oh, thanks for the research. I was the one who changed the password of that account. But I don't have a signed message, which means that even when this is a whole scam he will run away with his account and his bitcoin?
Unlikely. Admins will most likely not restore the account because of this thread alone. If RKen is indeed the original owner and was scammed as well you two need to find an agreement. From past experience[1] this can take several months.
[1] see MinermanNC vs. TerraMaster -> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-talk-account-hacked-any-way-to-recover-982538
There are no forum rules regarding this. What the community will find acceptable or not greatly depends on how convincing the "account was hacked" story is or will be in the future.
-snip-
Oh, thanks for the research. I was the one who changed the password of that account. But I don't have a signed message, which means that even when this is a whole scam he will run away with his account and his bitcoin?
Oh, thanks for the research. I was the one who changed the password of that account. But I don't have a signed message, which means that even when this is a whole scam he will run away with his account and his bitcoin?
Unlikely. Admins will most likely not restore the account because of this thread alone. If RKen is indeed the original owner and was scammed as well you two need to find an agreement. From past experience[1] this can take several months.
[1] see MinermanNC vs. TerraMaster -> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-talk-account-hacked-any-way-to-recover-982538
-snip-
Oh, thanks for the research. I was the one who changed the password of that account. But I don't have a signed message, which means that even when this is a whole scam he will run away with his account and his bitcoin?
Oh, thanks for the research. I was the one who changed the password of that account. But I don't have a signed message, which means that even when this is a whole scam he will run away with his account and his bitcoin?
Unlikely. Admins will most likely not restore the account because of this thread alone. If RKen is indeed the original owner and was scammed as well you two need to find an agreement. From past experience[1] this can take several months.
[1] see MinermanNC vs. TerraMaster -> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-talk-account-hacked-any-way-to-recover-982538
which is only possible through the help of one of the staff members.
Once again, I would be thankful to any of the staff members that would check the IPs of these accounts to make sure.
Mods aren't able to track IP addresses, only admins can. You're out of luck, considering the fact that admins are slow to respond even in cases of actually hacked accounts.Once again, I would be thankful to any of the staff members that would check the IPs of these accounts to make sure.
Admins usually dont get involved in these issues, so their speed of handling things is not the issue. Also matching or different IPs does not mean much. Its easy to get a different IP (Tor, VPN, Public Proxy, etc.) esp. if its planned.
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Yes, it was used as a collateral. However I didn't require a signed message, which was the huge mistake. I'll surely return the account if it was stolen, but this case is very suspicious in my opinion, so is there any solution to it?
One of the ways is to check the IPs associated with the 3 accounts (jadens, RKen, KenR) - which is only possible through the help of one of the staff members.
Once again, I would be thankful to any of the staff members that would check the IPs of these accounts to make sure.
Yes, it was used as a collateral. However I didn't require a signed message, which was the huge mistake. I'll surely return the account if it was stolen, but this case is very suspicious in my opinion, so is there any solution to it?
One of the ways is to check the IPs associated with the 3 accounts (jadens, RKen, KenR) - which is only possible through the help of one of the staff members.
Once again, I would be thankful to any of the staff members that would check the IPs of these accounts to make sure.
Well considering the password was only changed once[1] the "my account was hacked" story is not very convincing.
[1] https://bitcointalk.org/seclog.php
which is only possible through the help of one of the staff members.
Once again, I would be thankful to any of the staff members that would check the IPs of these accounts to make sure.
Mods aren't able to track IP addresses, only admins can. You're out of luck, considering the fact that admins are slow to respond even in cases of actually hacked accounts.Once again, I would be thankful to any of the staff members that would check the IPs of these accounts to make sure.
Admins usually dont get involved in these issues, so their speed of handling things is not the issue. Also matching or different IPs does not mean much. Its easy to get a different IP (Tor, VPN, Public Proxy, etc.) esp. if its planned.
-snip-
Yes, it was used as a collateral. However I didn't require a signed message, which was the huge mistake. I'll surely return the account if it was stolen, but this case is very suspicious in my opinion, so is there any solution to it?
One of the ways is to check the IPs associated with the 3 accounts (jadens, RKen, KenR) - which is only possible through the help of one of the staff members.
Once again, I would be thankful to any of the staff members that would check the IPs of these accounts to make sure.
Yes, it was used as a collateral. However I didn't require a signed message, which was the huge mistake. I'll surely return the account if it was stolen, but this case is very suspicious in my opinion, so is there any solution to it?
One of the ways is to check the IPs associated with the 3 accounts (jadens, RKen, KenR) - which is only possible through the help of one of the staff members.
Once again, I would be thankful to any of the staff members that would check the IPs of these accounts to make sure.
Well considering the password was only changed once[1] the "my account was hacked" story is not very convincing.
[1] https://bitcointalk.org/seclog.php
which is only possible through the help of one of the staff members.
Once again, I would be thankful to any of the staff members that would check the IPs of these accounts to make sure.
Mods aren't able to track IP addresses, only admins can. You're out of luck, considering the fact that admins are slow to respond even in cases of actually hacked accounts. Once again, I would be thankful to any of the staff members that would check the IPs of these accounts to make sure.
BTW, am I allowed to sell the account when it surpasses the repayment date of the loan and it hasn't been paid back? It would be the 24th of November.
If the account was used as collateral you are essentially free to do with it what you want. If it turns out to be stolen the right thing to do would be to return it though. Its your job to check the collateral you accept, e.g. by requesting a signed message.
One of the ways is to check the IPs associated with the 3 accounts (jadens, RKen, KenR) - which is only possible through the help of one of the staff members.
Once again, I would be thankful to any of the staff members that would check the IPs of these accounts to make sure.
BTW, am I allowed to sell the account when it surpasses the repayment date of the loan and it hasn't been paid back? It would be the 24th of November.
If the account was used as collateral you are essentially free to do with it what you want. If it turns out to be stolen the right thing to do would be to return it though. Its your job to check the collateral you accept, e.g. by requesting a signed message.
BTW, am I allowed to sell the account when it surpasses the repayment date of the loan and it hasn't been paid back? It would be the 24th of November.
ha! thats pay back time.
BTW, am I allowed to sell the account when it surpasses the repayment date of the loan and it hasn't been paid back? It would be the 24th of November.
Post a signed message proving its yours.
Well it does not matter, but please help me how, because I had never done such a signed message.
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Maybe this -> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/how-to-sign-a-message-990345
can help you.
he had something to say as soon as you asked for a staff member to get his IP address LOL
i don't believe this guy and i agree if they get away with it ? they will keep doing it.
tag them all and let god sort it out !
i don't believe this guy and i agree if they get away with it ? they will keep doing it.
tag them all and let god sort it out !
Post a signed message proving its yours.
Well it does not matter, but please help me how, because I had never done such a signed message.
And I also agree if authorized to perform IP checking KenR or RKen and jadens
And this may be explained also why I can trace my KenR account.
First, I tried to explore my account, then I see profilenya, because I think anyone knew I was made to account for other matters relating to write in this forum.
After I checked, it turns out my account was not used to it.
Still in profile, then I look at the BTC address. BTC addresses are very unfamiliar to me, out of curiosity with the BTC address, then I copy and paste into search engines and I browse until finally there is the thread Zeroxal.
Why BTC address on KenR profile no longer exists? And I had saved a screenshot of KenR profile
Post a signed message proving its yours.
Hi sorry, I'm RKen, the account owner KenR had been stolen by someone.
It's a little clarification from me.
I know and understand what you expect him to me, that I was the swindler.
Though I have explained earlier to Zeroxal via PM and from the evidence that I am the rightful owner of the account KenR.
And in local forums Indonesia, asks how I can recover my account, and there I say that I've been in contact Zeroxal via PM.
So I wanted to ask a thief Zeroxal my account to ensure that the account belongs to him (the thief) or me.
Previous address BTC my account thieves still appear in profile KenR, but now in hiding, I do not know if it Zeroxal policy or indeed the thief deliberately hide.
Thank you
-KenR-
I'm sorry, but will hold the account until it got recovered by you through contacting the admin.It's a little clarification from me.
I know and understand what you expect him to me, that I was the swindler.
Though I have explained earlier to Zeroxal via PM and from the evidence that I am the rightful owner of the account KenR.
And in local forums Indonesia, asks how I can recover my account, and there I say that I've been in contact Zeroxal via PM.
So I wanted to ask a thief Zeroxal my account to ensure that the account belongs to him (the thief) or me.
Previous address BTC my account thieves still appear in profile KenR, but now in hiding, I do not know if it Zeroxal policy or indeed the thief deliberately hide.
Thank you
-KenR-
PS: No idea why your English is suddenly so broken. The PM you sent me was written in a very fluent and formal English. Another sign that the whole thing was plotted?
Are you forget my message "Sorry for the English language which may be a little difficult to understand by you"
I'm using google transalate.
Sometimes I fix the grammar used, sometimes I immediately post.
And keep in my mind just as last night I sent a message to you, I take a long time so that the message can be understood by me at least there and there are some parts that I think you misinterpreted what I said in the message. For example, I did not accuse you as the owner of my account, but I tell you that this is a KenR account stolen account. Hopefully you can understand it
Hi sorry, I'm RKen, the account owner KenR had been stolen by someone.
It's a little clarification from me.
I know and understand what you expect him to me, that I was the swindler.
Though I have explained earlier to Zeroxal via PM and from the evidence that I am the rightful owner of the account KenR.
And in local forums Indonesia, asks how I can recover my account, and there I say that I've been in contact Zeroxal via PM.
So I wanted to ask a thief Zeroxal my account to ensure that the account belongs to him (the thief) or me.
Previous address BTC my account thieves still appear in profile KenR, but now in hiding, I do not know if it Zeroxal policy or indeed the thief deliberately hide.
Thank you
-KenR-
I'm sorry, but will hold the account until it got recovered by you through contacting the admin.It's a little clarification from me.
I know and understand what you expect him to me, that I was the swindler.
Though I have explained earlier to Zeroxal via PM and from the evidence that I am the rightful owner of the account KenR.
And in local forums Indonesia, asks how I can recover my account, and there I say that I've been in contact Zeroxal via PM.
So I wanted to ask a thief Zeroxal my account to ensure that the account belongs to him (the thief) or me.
Previous address BTC my account thieves still appear in profile KenR, but now in hiding, I do not know if it Zeroxal policy or indeed the thief deliberately hide.
Thank you
-KenR-
PS: No idea why your English is suddenly so broken. The PM you sent me was written in a very fluent and formal English. Another sign that the whole thing was plotted?
Hi sorry, I'm RKen, the account owner KenR had been stolen by someone.
It's a little clarification from me.
I know and understand what you expect him to me, that I was the swindler.
Though I have explained earlier to Zeroxal via PM and from the evidence that I am the rightful owner of the account KenR.
And in local forums Indonesia, asks how I can recover my account, and there I say that I've been in contact Zeroxal via PM.
So I wanted to ask a thief Zeroxal my account to ensure that the account belongs to him (the thief) or me.
Previous address BTC my account thieves still appear in profile KenR, but now in hiding, I do not know if it Zeroxal policy or indeed the thief deliberately hide.
Thank you
-KenR-
It's a little clarification from me.
I know and understand what you expect him to me, that I was the swindler.
Though I have explained earlier to Zeroxal via PM and from the evidence that I am the rightful owner of the account KenR.
And in local forums Indonesia, asks how I can recover my account, and there I say that I've been in contact Zeroxal via PM.
So I wanted to ask a thief Zeroxal my account to ensure that the account belongs to him (the thief) or me.
Previous address BTC my account thieves still appear in profile KenR, but now in hiding, I do not know if it Zeroxal policy or indeed the thief deliberately hide.
Thank you
-KenR-
if there is no way can Rken knows you have the account as collateral, then this is a plotted scam. Its purposely offered as collateral to scam so those accounts involved are scam. They should all be tagged as scam no matter how much is involved.
They will once again do this plot if proven effective.
Still no idea how he knew that the account was in my control. He claims that he somehow traced out that the account is in my control by some addresses.They will once again do this plot if proven effective.
If there is any way I could get the moderators/admins to lookup the IP and eventually find out that jadens and KenR have the same IP, that'd be great.
I'd be eternally grateful if one of the staffs could do that
if there is no way can Rken knows you have the account as collateral, then this is a plotted scam. Its purposely offered as collateral to scam so those accounts involved are scam. They should all be tagged as scam no matter how much is involved.
They will once again do this plot if proven effective.
They will once again do this plot if proven effective.
Ah yeah, i think a note should be left just in-case.
I think it should be done only if OP looses control of it, as he would end up with an account which he can't use because it got tagged.Yeah you're right and i feel that rken or kenr is trying to default the loan... certainly feels pretty scammy .
Ah yeah, i think a note should be left just in-case.
I think it should be done only if OP looses control of it, as he would end up with an account which he can't use because it got tagged. might as well reveal the account so others can tag it 'hacked' before he recovers it
According to what I understood from: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13025948 , its: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kenr-259876Ah yeah, i think a note should be left just in-case.
might as well reveal the account so others can tag it 'hacked' before he recovers it
According to what I understood from: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13025948 , its: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kenr-259876
imho it was pre-planned so that he may default the loan, since you dont have signed message, might as well reveal the account so others can tag it 'hacked' before he recovers it
Any way to warn other people to ask for a signed message?
What do you mean by this?I won't be making any replies in this thread, well most are gonna be short replies, just watch this post for any edits.
Any way to warn other people to ask for a signed message?
What do you mean by this?I won't be making any replies in this thread, well most are gonna be short replies, just watch this post for any edits.
Any way to warn other people to ask for a signed message?
What do you mean by this?I won't be making any replies in this thread, well most are gonna be short replies, just watch this post for any edits.
If you have a signed message from an address posted over 3 months ago, unedited/quoted, you have a "right" to keep the collateral
If I don't have a signed message (which I really don't have), does it mean that I have basically been scammed?If you have a signed message from an address posted over 3 months ago, unedited/quoted, you have a "right" to keep the collateral
If I don't have a signed message (which I really don't have), does it mean that I have basically been scammed?If you have a signed message from an address posted over 3 months ago, unedited/quoted, you have a "right" to keep the collateral
If I don't have a signed message (which I really don't have), does it mean that I have basically been scammed?
If you have a signed message from an address posted over 3 months ago, unedited/quoted, you have a "right" to keep the collateral
User RKen and jadens seems to have suspicious activities.
RKen:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=658582
jadens: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/jadens-657307
jadens, as a brand new member got a loan from me by providing a Sr. member account as the collateral. However user RKen contacted EXCACLTY me the day after the loan has been funded. Which rises my concerns about how user RKen was able to know that I was the current account holder, although I didn't mention anything on my loan threads etc, which is here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/zeroxals-loans-withwithout-collateral-escrow-accepted-1252386
User RKen claims that his account was hacked by jadens and jadens might have given the account as a collateral. As said, how did he know that I am the current account holder?!
In the PM he sent me he claims that he is an Indonesian member and wants his account back.
Because of my suspicions I replied with: I don't own your account, why contact me?
Minutes after he opened a thread/post in the Indonesian boards about his account being hacked (I presume)
Looks like he is trying to scam me. As there is no way for RKen to know that I am the current account holder, unless the "hacker" jadens told him that I own the account - which is very fishy as well.
I will hold the collateraled account until this thing gets settled.
Hoping for your opinions and maybe some research
Thanks
Zeroxal
RKen:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=658582
jadens: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/jadens-657307
jadens, as a brand new member got a loan from me by providing a Sr. member account as the collateral. However user RKen contacted EXCACLTY me the day after the loan has been funded. Which rises my concerns about how user RKen was able to know that I was the current account holder, although I didn't mention anything on my loan threads etc, which is here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/zeroxals-loans-withwithout-collateral-escrow-accepted-1252386
User RKen claims that his account was hacked by jadens and jadens might have given the account as a collateral. As said, how did he know that I am the current account holder?!
In the PM he sent me he claims that he is an Indonesian member and wants his account back.
Because of my suspicions I replied with: I don't own your account, why contact me?
Minutes after he opened a thread/post in the Indonesian boards about his account being hacked (I presume)
Looks like he is trying to scam me. As there is no way for RKen to know that I am the current account holder, unless the "hacker" jadens told him that I own the account - which is very fishy as well.
I will hold the collateraled account until this thing gets settled.
Hoping for your opinions and maybe some research
Thanks
Zeroxal
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