^^ There is a bitcointalk member "organofcorti" that runs a place called the neighborhood pool watch!
You should check out the site and the analysis..
How much for batch #4 --> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1928052
the neighborhood pool watch
http://organofcorti.blogspot.com/2013/04/915-fair-price-for-asic-miner.html
Worth a look i think..
Topic: New Halfsize Avalon "proposed" in latest update -- 45Gh/s (Read 8733 times)
I'm guessing it'll be around 60-70BTC due to current bitcoin price?
I'm interested regardless. I think everyone is. Just do it
The demand is definitely there.
I'm interested regardless. I think everyone is. Just do it
The demand is definitely there.If it's $10,000 how on can most people get the money to pay for that? And what if Bitcoin prices are through the roof and it's $20,000 by then? It's just not a flexible enough price range.
I hope they release it where we can upgrade it as we get our ROI.
to shred some light, the model is already made, as we have many prototypes and designs in house, it was a matter of if there's enough demand to warrant a batch.
If not, it'll just get made in a later timeline, for next generation for example.
If not, it'll just get made in a later timeline, for next generation for example.
What would be the price for something like this? Is it under $5000?
it's a real pity that BitSyncom doesn't comment on delivery status of batch 2 and 3 and eminently the scheduling of batch 4
They're probably busy with shipping
what they need is a smart highschool student, that does some communication with their customers
Sure, but this is already business part of the operation - it's one thing to build an ASIC, but completely different to sell it
it's a real pity that BitSyncom doesn't comment on delivery status of batch 2 and 3 and eminently the scheduling of batch 4
They're probably busy with shipping
what they need is a smart highschool student, that does some communication with their customers
it's a real pity that BitSyncom doesn't comment on delivery status of batch 2 and 3 and eminently the scheduling of batch 4
They're probably busy with shipping
i take place 
it's a real pity that BitSyncom doesn't comment on delivery status of batch 2 and 3 and eminently the scheduling of batch 4
lol.....they just called you a racist, For a very well placed analogy.
lol, honestly i still dont get it!!
Im a lil dense sometimes so i get my sheldon cooper on a bit but man.. If i really offended him in that way i didnt wanna pour more salt on it so to speak.. so i just apologized and let it go..
Are falafel's associated with a race?? I dont even want to know at this point..
Ironically im actually a vegetarian ... LOL Anyway say what ya want .. but racist im not.
Moving along.. here's hoping we get good pricing on the Avalons we are all here for. /
I think the main question here is how/if the pricing scheme will change. Situation is rapidly changing and hopefully BitSyncom will take this into consideration when forming the price.
lol.....they just called you a racist, For a very well placed analogy.
it was a suggestion that the ASIC ROI is fading over horizon and perhaps it would be best to mine the fees for converting $$$ to bitcoins with all the trouble there is there
I have Avalon chips on order and would be interested in a batch 4 too but nothing wrong with pointing out that making money is going to get out of reach soon with mining but there are more ways to make money with bitcoin
and yes, that guy's comments were funny.. you are too serious!!
I have Avalon chips on order and would be interested in a batch 4 too but nothing wrong with pointing out that making money is going to get out of reach soon with mining but there are more ways to make money with bitcoin
and yes, that guy's comments were funny.. you are too serious!!
]yapping about youre vegetarian mubo jumbo or how everyone should eat falafel's ..
That's borderline racist comment, and I hope you realize that.
It was just an example .. it had nothing to do with race nor do i understand how you see it as such. If you were offended by it .. my apology's!
]yapping about youre vegetarian mubo jumbo or how everyone should eat falafel's ..
That's borderline racist comment, and I hope you realize that.
^^ so you think he's right but you just happen to be wading in an avalon miner thread.. i find that funny..
If you dont want hamburgers stay away from McDonalds... Dont come to Mcdonalds yapping about youre vegetarian mubo jumbo or how everyone should eat falafel's ..
We are "here" because we want an avalon miner like the thread says.. Everyone else should kick rocks.. that evidently includes you!
If you dont want hamburgers stay away from McDonalds... Dont come to Mcdonalds yapping about youre vegetarian mubo jumbo or how everyone should eat falafel's ..
We are "here" because we want an avalon miner like the thread says.. Everyone else should kick rocks.. that evidently includes you!
^^ deep breathe brah... now take a step back, compose yourself ...look down and pick your face off the floor. You just made an ass out of your self.
Now take your meds n kick rocks..
Now take your meds n kick rocks..
nah i think that guy was right.. and funny
and i think it is better to invest in a $$$>bitcoin service instead of miners these days
should we start one here?
looks like we are doing another batch.
BitSyncom,
Are there any plans to sell only the hashing modules?
Thanks.
^^ deep breathe brah... now take a step back, compose yourself ...look down and pick your face off the floor. You just made an ass out of your self.
Now take your meds n kick rocks..
Now take your meds n kick rocks..
Please stop crying a river. 
How many times do you have to tell about your "horror story"? Yes, it is terrible that you have to spend some extra fees last month to buy your bitcoins at half the price as it is today. Spent 4% fee to gain 100%? 
Wow, that's really awful. I feel really sorry for you! I can't imagine how depress you will be if you were only getting 50% return per month!
How many times do you have to tell about your "horror story"? Yes, it is terrible that you have to spend some extra fees last month to buy your bitcoins at half the price as it is today. Spent 4% fee to gain 100%? Wow, that's really awful. I feel really sorry for you! I can't imagine how depress you will be if you were only getting 50% return per month!Takin orders in a week? two weeks? three? Even approximate .. Dont want to buy btc only to realize there wont be a roi or worse yet find out there wont be a roi and btc price drops and you loose youre fiat too!!
I lost $235 just in fees moving 6k to an exchange to buy btc in hopes of purchasing an avalon last time, and since i was unsuccessful the thought of just throwing more money away for nothing makes me sick!
aghh... Im need ta go pet a dragon & see if i can get us some luck. Hopefully avalon is having some luck of their own with batch 2/3 shipping and they can spread the love to batch 4 customers..
I lost $235 just in fees moving 6k to an exchange to buy btc in hopes of purchasing an avalon last time, and since i was unsuccessful the thought of just throwing more money away for nothing makes me sick!
aghh... Im need ta go pet a dragon & see if i can get us some luck. Hopefully avalon is having some luck of their own with batch 2/3 shipping and they can spread the love to batch 4 customers..
^^ Since we're rapidly approaching the "point-of-no-ROI", there's little interest in investing several thousand USD's on half-a-miner. However, if you were to release a smaller device based on 2 of your module PCBs, giving us a much more affordable ~5.4GH/s device, there would probably be a higher interest. The additional effort for such a device would be minimal, and DIY guys could always expand upon it, using the same controller module.
^^ I think interest has been gauged already!
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1876668
But i think the difficulty and roi has to be taken into consideration more than any other batch! .
^^ Since we're rapidly approaching the "point-of-no-ROI", there's little interest in investing several thousand USD's on half-a-miner. However, if you were to release a smaller device based on 2 of your module PCBs, giving us a much more affordable ~5.4GH/s device, there would probably be a higher interest. The additional effort for such a device would be minimal, and DIY guys could always expand upon it, using the same controller module.
well, you can use the halfalons on altcoins.
still decently profitable.
^^ Since we're rapidly approaching the "point-of-no-ROI", there's little interest in investing several thousand USD's on half-a-miner. However, if you were to release a smaller device based on 2 of your module PCBs, giving us a much more affordable ~5.4GH/s device, there would probably be a higher interest. The additional effort for such a device would be minimal, and DIY guys could always expand upon it, using the same controller module.
^^ i agree batch 4 should be priced with difficulty and competitors in mind, including the diy crowd and the flood of chips just purchased. The Diy guys are pedal to the medal ... i worry about them more than bfl... Bfl is full of ****.. so there is no telling what they are up to.. hell i dont even believe the recent videos.. But the difficulty worry is not unfounded!!
http://organofcorti.blogspot.com/2013/04/914-asic-earnings-23-april-2013.html
That said all we have to go by with batch #4 is the "would you be interested if may early june" ... nothing definitive.
I wish we had more info.. at least on the timing if not the pricing too...
Takin orders in a week? two weeks? three? Even approximate .. Dont want to buy btc only to realize there wont be a roi or worse yet find out there wont be a roi and btc price drops and you loose youre fiat too!!
I lost $235 just in fees moving 6k to an exchange to buy btc in hopes of purchasing an avalon last time, and since i was unsuccessful the thought of just throwing more money away for nothing makes me sick!
aghh... Im need ta go pet a dragon & see if i can get us some luck. Hopefully avalon is having some luck of their own with batch 2/3 shipping and they can spread the love to batch 4 customers..
http://organofcorti.blogspot.com/2013/04/914-asic-earnings-23-april-2013.html
That said all we have to go by with batch #4 is the "would you be interested if may early june" ... nothing definitive.
I wish we had more info.. at least on the timing if not the pricing too...
Takin orders in a week? two weeks? three? Even approximate .. Dont want to buy btc only to realize there wont be a roi or worse yet find out there wont be a roi and btc price drops and you loose youre fiat too!!
I lost $235 just in fees moving 6k to an exchange to buy btc in hopes of purchasing an avalon last time, and since i was unsuccessful the thought of just throwing more money away for nothing makes me sick!
aghh... Im need ta go pet a dragon & see if i can get us some luck. Hopefully avalon is having some luck of their own with batch 2/3 shipping and they can spread the love to batch 4 customers..
Yeah a notification via newsletter in advance to give us time to deal with fiat conversion or to raise funds..
Last time me and two friends went thru hell to come up with the cash and we got butchered and robbed of our opportunity!
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitfloor-cash-deposit-159340
Last time me and two friends went thru hell to come up with the cash and we got butchered and robbed of our opportunity!
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitfloor-cash-deposit-159340
We already know there will be a new batch for order, as they gauged interest.
You can expect the price in BTC will be lower than last time, based on their formula that takes in account (rising) difficulty and the expected payback time.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1670882
So BTC 45 - 50 tops
We know Avalon only takes payment in BTC
We know they want to promote people to use new BTC related services and tools like Bitinstant and other ways of buying and earning BTC (try for example Localbitcoins next time)
So logically you should already start to save up and gather BTC, and prepare. That way you'll not get caught in the last minute with your funds stuck in some foreign bank transfer and loose valuable time.
Well, I think we all know that batch #4 will arrive in late June, early July if everything goes well... That's 2 months from now, so you should multiply difficulty x3 (27 million aprox.). That would mean 25BTC in 30 days for a 45GHs. I really don't know how some of you guys say that you will be happily 50BTC or even 80BTC as I read earlier when BFL started shipping and chips are sold by the hundreds of thousands
That said, at 25BTC per 45GHs unit I would gladly buy +5 units. More than 25/30BTC per 45GHs, frankly speaking is too high IMHO. Difficulty will skyrocket very soon, just imagine when all those chips hit the network + ASICMINER + BFL, etc.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/490000-avalon-chips-already-ordered-150t-hashrate-spike-coming-in-august-181982
20 million difficulty.. forget double..
Add turbo boost button!?! Press in case of emergency difficulty raising !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_qiVBy0B2Y
20 million difficulty.. forget double..
Add turbo boost button!?! Press in case of emergency difficulty raising !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_qiVBy0B2Y
to shred some light, the model is already made, as we have many prototypes and designs in house, it was a matter of if there's enough demand to warrant a batch.
If not, it'll just get made in a later timeline, for next generation for example.
If not, it'll just get made in a later timeline, for next generation for example.
I will offer you full price paid immeidately in BTC + JoshZerlan.com domain + ad on DonkDown for anything you wish + I will wear a patch at WSOP with Avalon logo + put anything in my signature + 10 oz. of my super-blood (I'm o- universal donor & never get sick) & dress my first born dauther in an "Avalon" onesie and post a pic on here.
essentially, I must have one of your miners and really want in on the ASIC game. Will offer all I can possible offer for one. Super excited.
Anyone care to do the Avalon math for projected difficulty to arrive at price? Can't say math was my est subject.
Hey there, youre right and i have began to "gather".. im a lil wiser now I hope its not so much ..
But a lot of new comers are not the wiser and i was in their shoe once. Im excited to finally be able to purchase this legendary miner, hell if the whole avalon team would sign it and title it "limited edition avalon asic miner" i would pay extra!
Cheers
Edit: Still got fingers crossed on upgradeable unit.. (add module later)
I hope its not so much ..But a lot of new comers are not the wiser and i was in their shoe once. Im excited to finally be able to purchase this legendary miner, hell if the whole avalon team would sign it and title it "limited edition avalon asic miner" i would pay extra!
Cheers
Edit: Still got fingers crossed on upgradeable unit.. (add module later)
Yeah a notification via newsletter in advance to give us time to deal with fiat conversion or to raise funds..
Last time me and two friends went thru hell to come up with the cash and we got butchered and robbed of our opportunity!
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitfloor-cash-deposit-159340
Last time me and two friends went thru hell to come up with the cash and we got butchered and robbed of our opportunity!
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitfloor-cash-deposit-159340
We already know there will be a new batch for order, as they gauged interest.
You can expect the price in BTC will be lower than last time, based on their formula that takes in account (rising) difficulty and the expected payback time.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1670882
So BTC 45 - 50 tops
We know Avalon only takes payment in BTC
We know they want to promote people to use new BTC related services and tools like Bitinstant and other ways of buying and earning BTC (try for example Localbitcoins next time)
So logically you should already start to save up and gather BTC, and prepare. That way you'll not get caught in the last minute with your funds stuck in some foreign bank transfer and loose valuable time.
Yeah, having some time to prepare would be good. Looking forward to purchasing one of the new units. I think I'll be able to swing 35-40BTC.
Yeah a notification via newsletter in advance to give us time to deal with fiat conversion or to raise funds..
Last time me and two friends went thru hell to come up with the cash and we got butchered and robbed of our opportunity!
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitfloor-cash-deposit-159340
Last time me and two friends went thru hell to come up with the cash and we got butchered and robbed of our opportunity!
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitfloor-cash-deposit-159340
When will they go on sale? I need to be at my computer
would be awesome if we could get them in late may or early June...
cant wait for this. Hope batch 2 is sent out befor this order is open to place orders.
looks like we are doing another batch.
I told you bro, the response would be Good, so now get your butt moving and move out the Asic Miner asap before the butterflies start
flying out.
Please have mercy and kindly price them reasonable.. when could you open up the order? Thanks
If you already have them "in house" I am interested to buy pre-pre batch order, pay and send it with my batch #2 order.
Possible?
Possible?
If you already have them "in house" I am interested to buy pre-pre batch order, pay and send it with my batch #2 order.
Possible?
Possible?
looks like we are doing another batch.
Rooooaaaaar!!!
Same casw w/ only 2 modules... with space to add modules at a later date would be awesome.
^^ Indeed! ---> Crosses fingers!
looks like we are doing another batch.
Absolutely great, I will buy immediatelly when available. Hopefully you will inform by newsletter a bit in advance when sales start - just same way as with batch 3. Probably it was asked before - How about a purchase of a single module (to fill in the 4th slot) ?
Don't forget that if you add a 4th module, you'll have to upgrade the power supply too.
Awesome. The more options, the better.
Probably it was asked before - How about a purchase of a single module (to fill in the 4th slot) ?
Same casw w/ only 2 modules... with space to add modules at a later date would be awesome.
A half sized Avalon with only 2 modules would be... meh... nice I guess.
A half sized Avalon with only 2 modules would be... meh... nice I guess.
nice
Dang 3500 responses, even if 50% buy, that 3:1 buy ratio based on 600 unit batch
I just hope it won't be half-size/double-price kinda deal. Even though primary business concern is to maximize profits.
Art
I just hope it won't be half-size/double-price kinda deal. Even though primary business concern is to maximize profits.
Art
looks like we are doing another batch.
This is really something, now I'm interested!
to shred some light, the model is already made, as we have many prototypes and designs in house, it was a matter of if there's enough demand to warrant a batch.
If not, it'll just get made in a later timeline, for next generation for example.
If not, it'll just get made in a later timeline, for next generation for example.
We're ready for release
Missed the boat on 3 previous batch and could not get in because each time I get the notification too late, hopefully not this time!
I will buy two - four if price is 40 - 80BTC
Half size @ half price of 36-50BTC is fine, no need for second mortgage
agreed. I want to see ASIC devices start a mass-rollout though, as $4000 for 45GH is a tremendous deal for early buyers, but probably carries over a 50% profit margin for avalon.
Would rather see mass-produced 1-3GH/s devices for $300-500 a peice. It would end up with many more small investors and aid the distrobution of the BTC network far better then selling more hashing powerhouses that key players or big investors can only afford
This is a really important point -- low barriers to entry are key to competition. No competition = monopoly, and we all know a monopoly on hashing power = the end of BTC.
Consider a future where BTC grows legs and a large bank decides to become a "transaction processor" (transaction strengthener, if you will)... the kind of resources any of the big four could throw at this would utterly dwarf the network's throughput today. A good way to prevent this is for top tier efficiency hashing devices to be available as commodity goods, just as CPUs and GPUs are today.
Did they really have to ask? Of course there's demand.
These guys could sell out of T-shirts with the power they yield right now.
These guys could sell out of T-shirts with the power they yield right now.
No date was given as this was just market research by Avalon Asics, but their google form implied a shipping time of "May/Early June"
Quote
Due to overwhelming demand, we are going to gauge interest on a smaller 2 module version of the Avalon unit that's effectively half of a Avalon original in size, and greater than 45Gh/s in performance.
As per usual the price of the unit is determined by the following equation.
mining_difficulty * ( 1 + number_of_month_in_lead_time) over a 30 day period on the unit's hashing power. to those interested, here is the form https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1rJJniFiYn0XMPZVKVni86xBvSTylWw0fv1c1zAfuR68/viewform
As per usual the price of the unit is determined by the following equation.
mining_difficulty * ( 1 + number_of_month_in_lead_time) over a 30 day period on the unit's hashing power. to those interested, here is the form https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1rJJniFiYn0XMPZVKVni86xBvSTylWw0fv1c1zAfuR68/viewform
I am guessing, but it would be reasonable to assume that it won't be expandable as it will be 1/2 the size of the orginal avalon. I suggest following the google doc link and registering interest if you are interested.
so when is the order going 2 open up?
I would buy 2. I think you should not stop. You have somewhat centralized the hashing power of the network 
. Can we please work towards true decentralization. We promise to make you rich and help you produce economical tablets and such. I would love to invest in a company you owned yifu. THX!
. Can we please work towards true decentralization. We promise to make you rich and help you produce economical tablets and such. I would love to invest in a company you owned yifu. THX! 
Product sounds good, but I hope some other ASIC companies get going. It would not be good to only have one company dominating the aSIC market. Competition always helps.
I would be very interested if it works well on P2Pool
How about a 1/4 size Avalon?
They look nice (black it seems). Can get some Raider theme going with my Batch 3s
I'm guessing it'll be around 60-70BTC due to current bitcoin price?
I'm interested regardless. I think everyone is. Just do it The demand is definitely there.
I'm interested regardless. I think everyone is. Just do it
The demand is definitely there.More like 40BTC, the price formula is in the first post.
if difficulty jumps up high enough then they'll calculate a decent price to warranty a pretty safe ROI. I'm still iffy about the ROI of my Batch 3, not from BFL but I worry about others. We're over 50TH/s and not all the Batch 1s have been received.
I'm guessing it'll be around 60-70BTC due to current bitcoin price?
I'm interested regardless. I think everyone is. Just do it The demand is definitely there.
I'm interested regardless. I think everyone is. Just do it
The demand is definitely there.The pricing formula is described in the first post and has nothing to do with the BTC exchange rate.
would it be upgradeable or to 60 or 80 or is it just 2 module max? Interested..
to shred some light, the model is already made, as we have many prototypes and designs in house, it was a matter of if there's enough demand to warrant a batch.
If not, it'll just get made in a later timeline, for next generation for example.
If not, it'll just get made in a later timeline, for next generation for example.
Bro, don't do next batch production. Do them NOW .. so that everyone has a choice to choose which item they want? everyone has different budget, and moreover is good time to extend your market segment and maximize your coverage. tks
we want also the upgrade modules, much easier to pass customs
to shred some light, the model is already made, as we have many prototypes and designs in house, it was a matter of if there's enough demand to warrant a batch.
If not, it'll just get made in a later timeline, for next generation for example.
If not, it'll just get made in a later timeline, for next generation for example.
I know I will be ordering more hardware if they're shipping late may/april.
A 2 module version might be more in my budget, so I hope they make it!
A 2 module version might be more in my budget, so I hope they make it!
I prefer they can provide DIY buying. As Avalon is module design, they can allow miner to buy single module to upgrade their machine in hands or buy a machine with only 1 module to lower the initial investment.
Ya, this will be a good option for those who want to DIY upgrades your machines
I prefer they can provide DIY buying. As Avalon is module design, they can allow miner to buy single module to upgrade their machine in hands or buy a machine with only 1 module to lower the initial investment.
i'd rather just have a full sized avalon but it would be nice if 2 of the minis stacked well on the full sized units. i've heard they stack well.
I can swing a 2 module Avalon, 3 module was just a bit too much for my BTC stash.
Signed up for this, hopefully there is enough units to go around
I would like to see a single module unit at around 22GHs that you could expand at a later date as you recouped your initial investment.
Thanks erk... updated the title to reflect that they haven't announced but are conducting market research into if it would be successful.
My opinion would be that there is so much demand for a shipping ASIC miner (especially a proven asic miner), that people will buy BTC just to get it. Heck... it could be the first high profile non-SR related product that is purchasable only via BTC.
My opinion would be that there is so much demand for a shipping ASIC miner (especially a proven asic miner), that people will buy BTC just to get it. Heck... it could be the first high profile non-SR related product that is purchasable only via BTC.
The title is a bit misleading, it's not announced, they are conducting a market research survey to decide if it might be a viable product that's all.
WANT - that is all
I think they take the current difficulty, multiply it by 2, and see how many BTC a standard Avalon would generate per day at that doubled diff. They multiply that number of bitcoins with the 30 days of the month. That's the final price of the unit. They basically give you a ROI of 30 days at a difficulty that's double the one you bought the unit at.
If I'm wrong feel free to correct me.
That makes total sense. Thanks for breaking that down. If I'm wrong feel free to correct me.
Half size @ half price of 36-50BTC is fine, no need for second mortgage
agreed. I want to see ASIC devices start a mass-rollout though, as $4000 for 45GH is a tremendous deal for early buyers, but probably carries over a 50% profit margin for avalon.
Would rather see mass-produced 1-3GH/s devices for $300-500 a peice. It would end up with many more small investors and aid the distrobution of the BTC network far better then selling more hashing powerhouses that key players or big investors can only afford
I think they take the current difficulty, multiply it by 2, and see how many BTC a standard Avalon would generate per day at that doubled diff. They multiply that number of bitcoins with the 30 days of the month. That's the final price of the unit. They basically give you a ROI of 30 days at a difficulty that's double the one you bought the unit at.
If I'm wrong feel free to correct me.
If I'm wrong feel free to correct me.
I'm very interested, however, I don't follow their price equation. Can anyone else make sense of that? 
Half size @ half price of 36-50BTC is fine, no need for second mortgage
Definitely interested. It makes sense since the original Avalon with 3 modules seemed to have a lot of empty space.
From the news letter
Discuss...
Editing the title to be a Proposal rather than an announcement.
Quote
Due to overwhelming demand, we are going to gauge interest on a smaller 2 module version of the Avalon unit that's effectively half of a Avalon original in size, and greater than 45Gh/s in performance.
As per usual the price of the unit is determined by the following equation.
mining_difficulty * ( 1 + number_of_month_in_lead_time) over a 30 day period on the unit's hashing power. to those interested, here is the form https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1rJJniFiYn0XMPZVKVni86xBvSTylWw0fv1c1zAfuR68/viewform
As per usual the price of the unit is determined by the following equation.
mining_difficulty * ( 1 + number_of_month_in_lead_time) over a 30 day period on the unit's hashing power. to those interested, here is the form https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1rJJniFiYn0XMPZVKVni86xBvSTylWw0fv1c1zAfuR68/viewform
Discuss...
Editing the title to be a Proposal rather than an announcement.
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