Topic: New institutional player — MassMutual purchases $100M Bitcoin (Read 361 times)
It is very encouraging to see more and more institutions invest their cash in Bitcoin. It is certainly a good sign. But we haven't yet seen the surge in price. My guess is that big funds are engineering the liquidity to fill as much as they can of their desired position before rocketing the price. Thus, $20k might be the base for the launch to 6 digits. Really exciting times!
December 14, 2020, 01:28:57 PM
A lot of these institutions are not investing directly into Bitcoin, they are making use of fund management companies, it’s just like the same thing with Greyscale, they are also fund management and there are lots of institutions and rich people that are investing through them instead of investing direct.
It’s really good that we are finally seeing lots of institutions now taking interest in Bitcoin, because at the start it was all hatred towards Bitcoin and they were running from it and believed that it is bad, and most of them that said it is bad back then have now come to understand it completely and now wants a share in it.
It’s really good that we are finally seeing lots of institutions now taking interest in Bitcoin, because at the start it was all hatred towards Bitcoin and they were running from it and believed that it is bad, and most of them that said it is bad back then have now come to understand it completely and now wants a share in it.
December 12, 2020, 02:45:37 PM
This is very good and a very vital fact that I see very clear during this market pump or bull run is that, it is very different from that of the past, that is, during the last bull run in which Bitcoin crossed $19k it was mostly as a result of new investors coming into it but during this time, institutional investors are coming in a huge way hence the market dump isn't as much as before because a pump mostly follows after, and if such attention should continue $20k will be passed as well. In addition, I believe that, these Institutional investors are also bringing more reputation to the crypto space, because for them to invest such, means they are seeing a huge potential in the future hence want to be part of it sooner than later.
December 12, 2020, 06:19:51 AM
...but the only thing that worries me is that these heavy investors are here to make the profits and they will dump everything whenever they think that they made their profit and it comes affect the market big time in the form of major correction.
It’s something that’s an option, because it’s all about how to make as much money as possible. However, when it comes to these large companies that invest in BTC, many analysts agree that they will not sell their BTC so soon and that they have invested in the long run. If we take the already well-known MicroStrategy as an example, then their initial investment has almost doubled, and instead of selling, they are investing again $400 million in Bitcoin these days.
Another important thing is that all of them, as far as I know, invest through OTC, which allows them not to influence the price too much - because it is in their interest to buy as much as possible at the lowest possible price. In the case of the sale, I think they will go in the same direction again, which means OTC and minimal impact on the crypto market - although they will not be able to hide from the public that they are selling BTC - just as any purchase must be made public.
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December 11, 2020, 11:14:08 PM
Institutions are waking up and seeing bitcoin as an investment opportunity, I think many more institutions will still likely invest in bitcoin. I have just read in a news another institutional player, MassMutual that have just invested $100 million in bitcoin. You can check the news below.
Had that feeling they (the institutional investors) are the ones keeping the support of the bull market active if not by now bitcoin should be trading in lower price as the rejection was very high. On different occasions bitcoin has tried to break it's previous all time high but got rejected. If it was previous years it should have been dumped heavily already. Just hope they (the institutional investors) don't get too greedy and manipulate the price of the market to suit their selfish desires.
They should let them market grow genuinely and allow the technology to have it's impact on the financial system and not just focused on the price action of the coin but I guess that's an impossible task to ask as 99% of the institutional investors joining the industry are only doing that for the profits they're to make from the hot trend.
On other note, it's a positive one knowing new investors are buying into the industry and there are more to come, which indicates the industry would be around for more years and not dieing anytime soon as popularly predicted by the anti-bitcoiners
December 11, 2020, 03:04:23 PM
This kind of news only confirms that Bitcoin has become a hot commodity among big players, especially among those based in the US. Although $100 million is not a small amount, I am interested in when the biggest players who invest billions will decide on such moves, so we can see the law of supply and demand in action.
Bitcoin is a hot commodity and everyone is investing heavily and it is good news for all the old time bitcoin investors and good to see that the market is moving higher but the only thing that worries me is that these heavy investors are here to make the profits and they will dump everything whenever they think that they made their profit and it comes affect the market big time in the form of major correction. December 11, 2020, 06:55:50 AM
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This kind of news only confirms that Bitcoin has become a hot commodity among big players, especially among those based in the US. Although $100 million is not a small amount, I am interested in when the biggest players who invest billions will decide on such moves, so we can see the law of supply and demand in action.
If institutional players are getting in even at this price range. They probably know something that others don't. I have read some leaked documents from citibank predicting that btc will reach $315 in 2021...
I wouldn't say they know much more than we do here, and the price doesn't matter to them because they don't invest money they need for daily life - and they can afford to lose $100 million or invest in the long run. Those documents you are talking about are just speculations, even when they come from banks. As for $315, you're probably missing a couple of zeros - so I guess we won't go back to 2015, the time of three-digit numbers is hopefully left in the past forever.
December 11, 2020, 04:55:08 AM
When we talk about institutional investors,I'm thinking about giant banks and hedge funds,that will buy billions USD worth of BTC.Unfortunately,we don't see such big investors joining the crypto world.
Because no matter how bullish we are on Bitcoin, it still won't change the fact that bitcoin is still a speculative play. And unless a company or individual investor has like $100+ billion in cash, it would really be risky for them to put billions in to bitcoin.
Also take note: These big players are a lot less likely to take big risks compared to us retail investors. Most of them make investments just to counter inflation, not necessarily to make huge gains like us.
December 11, 2020, 04:54:43 AM
Perhaps the example of buying bitcoins by Microstrategy acts like a virus to other companies. Today's news about MassMutual proves more and more that many companies are finally realizing that going digital can be a very profitable investment.
Also, according to The Wall Street Journal, rising dollar inflation has become one of the reasons for buying bitcoins.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/massmutual-joins-the-bitcoin-club-with-100-million-purchase-11607626800
Also, according to The Wall Street Journal, rising dollar inflation has become one of the reasons for buying bitcoins.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/massmutual-joins-the-bitcoin-club-with-100-million-purchase-11607626800
December 11, 2020, 04:33:08 AM
I am sure they can buy bitcoin at any price they want and they don't have to wait for the price to decrease or increase because they have a lot of money to buy bitcoin.
Maybe we will see many more big institutional will interest in bitcoin, and they will buy bitcoin in a large amount and hold it.
I think that can help bitcoin to reach mass adoption in the institutional.
I hope that can give impact the bitcoin price to increase again because that is what many people want
Maybe we will see many more big institutional will interest in bitcoin, and they will buy bitcoin in a large amount and hold it.
I think that can help bitcoin to reach mass adoption in the institutional.
I hope that can give impact the bitcoin price to increase again because that is what many people want
December 11, 2020, 03:26:40 AM
So, how much of btc is already owned by institutionals?
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According to a report from The Wall Street Journal, the company purchased the coins — purportedly 5,470 Bitcoin (BTC) given the current price of $18,279 — through New York-based fund management company NYDIG. MassMutual also reportedly bought a $5 million equity stake in the firm, which holds $2.3 billion in crypto.
A total of 5,470 Bitcoin is owned by the institution.
This is actually a nice piece of information as the day passes, great companies adopt, invest and take the Bitcoin technology to the next phase of different economies of the world. 2021 seems to be a new ATH to witness.
December 11, 2020, 03:20:42 AM
If institutional players are getting in even at this price range. They probably know something that others don't. I have read some leaked documents from citibank predicting that btc will reach $315 in 2021, I am not sure how legit that is but looking at all these investors I think there may be some very good reason why they're openly revealing their investment. If true, we're at the beginning stage of unstoppable bull run.
Nah, just like you and me, everyone is speculating as to what the price will be in the future. And since they don't what to missed the hype train, they purchased bitcoin in hope that it will dramatically grow in the future. Take note though that this is a billion dollar company, so $100 million is just a change for them. Not the huge gamble that everyone is hoping for, but at least money inside the bitcoin market is always good. 
December 11, 2020, 03:19:47 AM
Institutional investors, family offices, wealth and asset management firms ..... are all coming for your hard earned coins. If you look at https://bitcointreasuries.org/ there are more than 850K BTC in the hands of publicly traded companies, private foundations and ETF-like funds. BTC are limited, so be careful, they want our coins too.
December 11, 2020, 03:15:45 AM
If institutional players are getting in even at this price range. They probably know something that others don't. I have read some leaked documents from citibank predicting that btc will reach $315 in 2021, I am not sure how legit that is but looking at all these investors I think there may be some very good reason why they're openly revealing their investment. If true, we're at the beginning stage of unstoppable bull run.
The price you are saying seems impossible to be reach upon but I think that with the volatility of the market, it will be a valid speculation. I think this investors are just showing off their investments just to advertise their company but who knows what is behind the curtains, the less I know the better. The entrance of the investors really does seem fishy but we can't do much about it but to keep alert and wait for what happens next. I hope that these investors joining the market is not an omen of a crash or something in that nature, fingers crossed. December 11, 2020, 03:02:34 AM
So, how much of btc is already owned by institutionals?
December 11, 2020, 02:09:37 AM
If institutional players are getting in even at this price range. They probably know something that others don't. I have read some leaked documents from citibank predicting that btc will reach $315 in 2021, I am not sure how legit that is but looking at all these investors I think there may be some very good reason why they're openly revealing their investment. If true, we're at the beginning stage of unstoppable bull run.
It seems like you made a typo, so I actually Googled what you're talking about:
Pointing to a chart that shows three bitcoin bull runs over the last decade, the note suggests that the current rally could "potentially peak in December 2021, at the high of the channel, suggesting a move as high as $318,000 [per bitcoin]."
I would take this with a grain of salt though, considering the note was apparently addressed to institutional clients -- of course they'd want to hype it up. The wording also suggests that it's a ceiling price, which is probably only possible if all our best trends continue going until then.
Anyway, there were a lot of murmurs about institutional interest when Coinbase launched Coinbase Custody in the middle of the bear market (2018), and we're simply living it now. I think we all know there's no way to go but up at this point, so they don't really know any better than us.
December 11, 2020, 01:51:39 AM
They probably know something that others don't.
Not really, they are all seeing the historical performance of bitcoin and speculate repetition of the same patterns in the following year. The same thing that the rest of us also see and have predicted long before they even came in.So they are getting in bitcoin now that price is just about to break out and before it is too late so that they will be able to ride the upcoming rise like what we had the entire 2017 to a much higher price.
December 11, 2020, 01:41:14 AM
If institutional players are getting in even at this price range. They probably know something that others don't. I have read some leaked documents from citibank predicting that btc will reach $315 in 2021, I am not sure how legit that is but looking at all these investors I think there may be some very good reason why they're openly revealing their investment. If true, we're at the beginning stage of unstoppable bull run.
That's what I was thinking about as well. Bitcoin's price was showing a downward movement since last 2 -3 days and institutional investors are getting into Bitcoin market at this price level. They will either make out big or suffer like the common people similar to 2017. There's no denying that bitcoin investment is a risky proposition, but the corporates must have gine through a detailed technical analysis before taking such move! Let's just hope this time bitcoin doesn't take a nosedive like 2017 or early 2018! Because at the end of the day these corporates are holding people's money!
Insurance companies are indeed institutional investors,however,this is a relatively small insurance company.
100M USD worth of Bitcoins isn't that much.I've never heard about MassMutual.Perhaps this is a also a good marketing move for this company,because more crypto enthusiasts will be aware about MassMutual and they will use the insurance products and services of this company in the future.
When we talk about institutional investors,I'm thinking about giant banks and hedge funds,that will buy billions USD worth of BTC.Unfortunately,we don't see such big investors joining the crypto world.
100M USD worth of Bitcoins isn't that much.I've never heard about MassMutual.Perhaps this is a also a good marketing move for this company,because more crypto enthusiasts will be aware about MassMutual and they will use the insurance products and services of this company in the future.
When we talk about institutional investors,I'm thinking about giant banks and hedge funds,that will buy billions USD worth of BTC.Unfortunately,we don't see such big investors joining the crypto world.
Going down is not an option to those investors because if they believe it will then they will surely wait that time and not now with the value almost the same on the Highest reached in the past.
We can never tell mate. But I also admire their patience when the value goes down. They will still be relax knowing their asset is beyond loss already. That's why we can compare a whale from an institutional thinker. Cause some whales definitely would not take the risk of losing more than half of their asset.But its make sense to buy at a higher level and expecting a higher price than their orders. Hope they are not sway with the fud, cause literally some wanting btc to go down already since they already make a lot of profits and waiting for another entry point.
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