Topic: New ledger Flex junk - page 2. (Read 313 times)

Then buy a Ledger and risk exposing your coins to closed source code that contains key extraction firmware by a company that lies to you again and again and again.  Even if you could get a Ledger for free, we'd warn you not to use it for anything more than a doorstop or a decoy.

As I explained, you can get a Yahboom K210 on AliExpress for around $45.  Even less on sale.  I got mine for $37 shipped.  You don't need anything except the device and a USB cable to install Krux.  Once you have Krux installed on it, you'll never need to plug it into a computer again (you can plug it into a USB wall plug like you'd get with a phone).  The rest of the stuff you're seeing on that page is for using it to do robotics.  You're not making a robot.  You're wiping it out & installing hardware wallet software on it.  Or not.  If you'd rather trust Ledger, go for it.  I have a buddy going through a nasty divorce.  We told him before they even got engaged "She's lying to you and she's cheating on you."  Sadly, some people need to get screwed over before they learn hard lessons.  Ledger isn't trustworthy, but if you trust them anyway, that's your choice.

Open source is the way to secure Bitcoin.  Krux.  SeedSigner.  Trezor.  I'm of the opinion that open source and DIY, like Krux and SeedSigner, is the best option since it means you don't have to trust a company.  I don't know about SeedSigner, but Krux is funded by grants from OpenSats.  And Krux is far more advanced than a janky Ledger nano.  Even NVK from CoinKite is recommending Krux.  The Yahboom device gives Krux a large touchscreen that shows you full details.  That cheap Nano has a microscopic screen that only shows you a few characters at a time and only has 2 flimsy buttons for navigation.  Oh, and if you're using that Nano with Ledger Live, congrats!  Ledger and everybody else has a billion trackers built into that thing.  Who needs privacy, eh?

Seriously, don't trust Ledger.  If we were talking about Trezor, I'd say Trezor is trustworthy but Krux is much more advanced (except it's Bitcoin only, but that also means better security).  But Ledger?  Oof.

$56.99 even with free shipping. i can buy a ledger nano for less than that. hmm. this seems like something that would end up costing more than a real hardware wallet. does it need a TF card? then you have to buy that too.

I'm in the US & I've bought a few things from AliExpress.  Keep in mind, you're not buying a hardware wallet from AliExpress.  You're buying a development board type device that can be programmed to do whatever you want.  Krux turns it into a hardware wallet, but most people buy a Yahboom K210 to do DIY robotics.  It's just a neat little gadget you can write your own code for to do whatever you want kind of like a Raspberry Pi.  The Krux installer wipes it out entirely & installs Krux.

If you don't want to buy one on AliExpress, you can pay a bit more to buy one directly from Yahboom.  If you click that link, you can also see a robot car using a Yahboom.

very interesting never heard of those things but that sounds like the way i would want to go if i did a hardware wallet. is aliexpress legitimate though? as in do they really ship your order to the usa? 

I can't believe Ledger had the audacity to release another overpriced product while some of Stax's batch 2 orders are still in limbo and to add salt to the wound, it appears that there's no difference between the BTC edition of Flex and the normal one ^{[apart from its color (SMH)]}!

This is getting ridiculous now... It went from $279 to €399 ^{[I'm not sure if they're dealing with some issues in its manufacturing process, but I have a feeling they're already trying to phase it out]}!

Junk hardware wallets keep getting more expensive.

Go to AliExpress and buy a Yahboom K210 module for $45.  The Yahboom isn't a hardware wallet.  It's a small development device with a touchscreen and a camera.

Install Krux to turn it into the ultimate hardware wallet/signing device.  Krux is stateless, airgapped, free and open source.  Krux does seed QR, including encrypted seed QR, passphrase QR, BIP85, Testnet, Taproot, Multisig, and on and on.

it seems like the prices on hardware wallets just keep going UP. to the point where they are unaffordable.

It's a shame they also follow what newer HW company is doing. I'm sure there are already 2 or 3 hardware wallet with big screen and show NFT. And now they also promote controversial "Ledger Recover" on Flex page, even though it's not shown on Nano X page.

Ledger is putting the excitement back into owning Bitcoin.

Do you ever wake up in the morning, feeling bored by the knowledge that since you're the only one who has access to your keys, your coins are secure?  How freakin' dull is THAT?!

Let Ledger bring the excitement of taking risks by giving them and companies the average Bitcoiner knows nothing about the ability to flex their way into your hardware wallet to extract your keys.

Why be cold when you can be hot!

Why have rock solid security when you can flex!

Ledger is making hardware wallets hot again.  Their reputation is on fire!

EDIT: It should be brutally obvious this is sarcasm.  Do not buy a Ledger.  Ledger can't be trusted.  Don't ever risk your coins to closed source firmware, especially Ledger's closed source firmware which contains code to enable key extraction over the internet by Ledger and their partner companies.  The very idea that a company wrote code to give them access your keys should scare the holy moly out of you.  Ledger says the "feature" is optional, but the code to enable it ISN'T optional, and Ledger lied about it.  Do not buy a Ledger.  Ledger can't be trusted.

They are maybe lying, but one of their latest tweets talks about a waiting list with over 100.000 people waiting for a Ledger Stax. Even if half of that is true, it's still a lot. You should never underestimate people's willingness to purchase stuff they don't need. I see no reason to purchase either Stax or Flex, unless you want your NFT's to be visible even when the hardware wallets are turned off on multiple devices.

They recently made a few tweets about trying to fix the problem of blind signing. The link to the product description you shared mentions, "What you see is what you sign", but I don't that's it. Also, it's a software feature that doesn't require the release of a new device.

Just when I thought ledger can't trick people more than they already did, they decided to release another expensive wallet called Flex, and they are selling it for €249!

I don't see a point in releasing another touchscreen wallet, but sales of ledger Stax is probably going slow (they claim 100k waiting list), no wonder they are charging crazy price of €399 for that.

Ledger Flex is a bit smaller in size than Stax, it is using smaller 2.84” e-ink touchscreen.

Source code remains closed source. no surprise there, and connections are the same like in Stax, usb-c, bluetooth and nfc.


https://shop.ledger.com/pages/ledger-flex

Don't waste your money on another money grab from ledger.