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Quote from: CipherionX on August 11, 2017, 06:36:00 AM

I'm in the process of developing a website dedicated to early bitcoin history. Mike Hearn was gracious enough to contribute to the project by sharing his e-mail conversations with Satoshi. Since these are never-before-seen writings of Satoshi, I thought others would enjoy having access to them now, rather than waiting for the website to go live.

Here they are:
https://pastebin.com/Na5FwkQ4
https://pastebin.com/cKZPC1rF
https://pastebin.com/wA9Jn100
https://pastebin.com/JF3USKFT
https://pastebin.com/syrmi3ET

If anyone else has anything they would like to share from early bitcoin times (2009-2010), please e-mail me at [email protected]

Thanks!
-CipherionX

Thank you for sharing. I read some email contents and they are very interesting and easy to read.

hashmoon

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nice to know that satoshi is a big blocker

10yearsolder

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It is fun reading the letters of the great founder himself. Like, it was only a kind of a small idea before and look at it right now. The idea has gotten so really really huge and became a reality even geniuses stunned in awe.

I stumbled upon Ripple in one of Satoshi's email. What does it refer to? Thanks!

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Quote from: CipherionX on August 11, 2017, 10:41:42 AM

Quote from: hardforkcoin on August 11, 2017, 10:22:42 AM

Wow!

This is pretty neat to see actual replies back and forth.

Are these brand new, as in nobody has ever seen them before besides Mike? Why did Mike decide to give you these anyways?

Still, very nice to read through these and we can see a glimpse into how Satoshi was and how he corresponded. That gives us all insight into how BTC was designed better and some behind the scenes extras!

Mike shared the first one publicly before (https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/54-my-first-message-to-satoshi/), and has quoted bits and pieces of some of the others.

He actually thought they had been published already. He had previously forwarded them to Charles Hoskinson (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/help-me-archive-satoshis-emails-191508), who never did anything with them.

I'm learning that, even though hundreds of people have spent countless hours speculating about Satoshi, few people actually asked the original developers to share what they knew.

Sweet, thanks for the link to that. I am going to check these out. I swear I haven't seen these before and its a good insight like I said. Always helps to see the mind of someone who invented something so great.

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Why haven't you shared your archive? In your original post, you very clearly gave the intention that what you received you would then share with the bitcoin community. Why suddenly keep that to yourself? Those who shared with you intended for those e-mails to be published. We would love to see what you have. If you'd like, I will gladly help you go through the e-mails line by line and analyze them to determine if they seem safe enough to share (just like I did with Mike's e-mails).

There was some content that upon further reflection was somewhat personal and could potentially be used in an attempt to DOX Satoshi. Second, I realized that people would use the emails to justify whatever roadmap position they have. It was a bad idea to attempt to construct the archive.

Satoshi is gone and not coming back. We should respect his wishes and let him go. Bitcoin moved on.

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Quote from: CoinaDay on August 11, 2017, 07:39:43 PM

Quote from: MicroGuy on August 11, 2017, 07:28:34 PM

This ....

"Bitcoin can already scale much larger than (Visa) with existing hardware for a fraction of the cost. It never really hits a scale ceiling." ~ Satoshi

Yeah, that is interesting. My guess would be that he's saying a single node could operate at that scale for less than the total operations of Visa. That could be true.

As for the "scale ceiling", I think he's arguing that there isn't a quadratic (or higher) growth in cost. Which I think is also probably true in general. I haven't seen a convincing argument against it at least. I'm aware of the quadratic cost in signatures, but that's as the size of a transaction grows rather than as the number of transactions go.

Really a very different perspective than certain key developers today who emphatically claim that 8MB is scary and dangerous.

Here Satoshi breaks it all down during a discussion of client-only mode. https://pastebin.com/wA9Jn100

It seems he liked to keep things simple, rather than the current trend of increasing complexity. Wink

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I think I read somewhere that Theymos? has more emails/private messages that he would eventually publish in 2020 or something like that?

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Quote from: MicroGuy on August 11, 2017, 07:28:34 PM

This ....

"Bitcoin can already scale much larger than (Visa) with existing hardware for a fraction of the cost. It never really hits a scale ceiling." ~ Satoshi

Yeah, that is interesting. My guess would be that he's saying a single node could operate at that scale for less than the total operations of Visa. That could be true.

As for the "scale ceiling", I think he's arguing that there isn't a quadratic (or higher) growth in cost. Which I think is also probably true in general. I haven't seen a convincing argument against it at least. I'm aware of the quadratic cost in signatures, but that's as the size of a transaction grows rather than as the number of transactions go.

Really a very different perspective than certain key developers today who emphatically claim that 8MB is scary and dangerous.

MicroGuy

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This ....

"Bitcoin can already scale much larger than (Visa) with existing hardware for a fraction of the cost. It never really hits a scale ceiling." ~ Satoshi

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Quote from: charleshoskinson on August 11, 2017, 06:42:15 PM

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>He had previously forwarded them to Charles Hoskinson

Charles. Hoskinson. Another red flag! Now I know this is BS.

Excuse me? Who are you exactly and what have I done to deserve such a harsh attack?

I will never understand why the bitcoin community insists on constant personal attacks. The divisiveness is getting tiring.

Quote from: charleshoskinson on April 30, 2013, 01:19:44 AM

In an attempt to preserve the history of bitcoin, I am trying to archive Satoshi's correspondence with members of this forum. I've created an email address:

[email protected]

If satoshi ever emailed you about Bitcoin or anything else you feel comfortable sharing, then please send a copy to the above address. I assume you verified his identity

Thanks everyone for being part of history. You guys moved mountains.

Please note that your correspondence will become part of the open domain and will be eventually published in a format similar to a searchable wiki or in lectures for our crowdsourced course.

If there is anything that you would like omitted from the archiving process, then please encase the text in , tags.

charleshoskinson

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>He had previously forwarded them to Charles Hoskinson

Charles. Hoskinson. Another red flag! Now I know this is BS.

Excuse me? Who are you exactly and what have I done to deserve such a harsh attack? I have nothing to do with the OP and also decided not to share my archive after amassing many emails.

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Quote from: Red-Apple on August 11, 2017, 07:40:16 AM

Quote from: Minecache on August 11, 2017, 07:28:16 AM

I won't be clicking on any unknown links. I'll wait for the Satoshi movie.

relax dude, these are "pastebin" links which is a well known website for sharing "texts", usually it is code or something similar and in this case they are just email texts!

on a side note, what is the satoshi movie?

Lmao, what's with the Satoshi Movie? I really want to watch that movie...

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Quote from: Chewyone on August 11, 2017, 04:25:46 PM

Why do people believe this fake shit, emails addressed as 2009 and ripple was 2012

Ripple was released in 2012 but was in early development between 2004–2012. (was first developed in 2004 by Ryan Fugger)

Clement Kaliyar

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@CipherionX That is a wonderful project and keep them rolling,it is a new input for me personally as i have never seen this documentation and emails earlier,it is really good to read their communication when it all started and i would like to see more details and persons coming forward with their early communication with the legend.

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Fantastic, it is nice to be in the age of crypto and then to further unearth small nuggets of info from and about the infamous Satoshi Nakamoto, keep it up!

faaty

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I read the messages with great interest, thanks. I believe satoshi nakamoto is a great inventor and smart person.

I had a question while reading these messages of early stages of bitcoin:

what if satoshi nakamoto sold or lost all his bitcoins, and living a pretty humble life right now?

Maybe that is why he does not reveal himself

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Quote from: dothebeats on August 11, 2017, 06:51:04 AM

I like how Mike Hearn was eager to learn all the aspects of bitcoin in its infancy. He was genuinely curious when he sent those emails as far as I can see. Also, Satoshi answered and explained it in detail which makes me think that Satoshi really is a person of high intellect capable of explaining difficult technicalities in simpler terms.

I believe there are also some snippets of conversation here in this forum that Hal Finney posted. I'd try to take a look of it since Hal is one of the genesis miners which Satoshi came in contact with.

I'd love to read those emails between satoshi and hal. He had the first bitcoin transaction ever sent to him. How cool would that be!? Obviously he never got to see where bitcoins ended up but wow. What a pioneer just like satoshi.

Thanks for sharing these. It's really cool to see words spoken from satoshi that have never been seen before.

Chewyone

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Why do people believe this fake shit, emails addressed as 2009 and ripple was 2012

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This is a gem, almost touching. Reading these pioneering conversations between Mika Hearn and Satoshi is really exciting. Too bad that a genius like Satoshi don't write anything new anymore, he could still teach us lots of things. Also, reading these emails I think Satoshi was pretty confident Bitcoin would become a huge success...

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I have a feeling this will be an historic thread.
We haven't seen anything from Satoshi in 7 years and suddenly this?
Someone should post this on Reddit I think it will go viral.

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