Topic: New Thoughts and Ideas (Read 1283 times)

For your own site you could integrate your existing video into a Flash project and make it interactive.  Or even another method outside of Flash.  You could walk the user all the way through creating a wallet, sending a transaction and such in the app.  Use GUI's that look just like the ones they will deal with.  You could use arrows and cast your video snippets to one side or the other and use opacity maps to change focus, like a first timer walk through tutorial in a console game.  The user cannot get past that part of the video until they have done what is asked of them and if they get it wrong a few times, then another video is accessed that helps them a little deeper. 

You could put a quiz here and there and give away a few Satoshi for work well done.  Just a thought.

Sorry, it has been a bust few weeks.  I bet that CoinStar itself is working on it.  That is not to say that it is not a great idea.  They have some new machines out from last year that I have yet to see surface near me.  I know they added support for some gift cards and other things.

The concept itself would not be too hard, just the matter of making it attractive and secure.  Really feeding the results from a coin counter to a small PC is pretty easy and the BTC also not hard.  Dealing with constructing a secure machine and a machine that looks good is harder.  I would imagine that you could even use a mobile hot spot for the internet, most database functions and BTC wallet functions should be minimal on bandwidth as long as you dealt with the blockchain and set up on a different network.

Good idea, check the regs and get back to me.  It reminds me of an arcade box we built years ago using an old Galaga box, a laptop, some goodies and the MAME program. 

Theres many video of bitcoin presentation on how to start and earn with it and you can find it on youtube But it all depends on people watching if they dont pay attention on tutorial they will not easily earn with bitcoin and very besy tutorial is human and hands on for people who knows with bitcoin.

I really like your idea, i already thinking about it, but i don't know how to start it. i think it is better for signature campaign to do some tuaitor videos to better know about bitcoin.

@morantis

Just noticed this thread. Here is what I would throw into the idea mill. I am sure someone has thought of this before, but I have never seen it written about.

They have these "CoinStar" machines everywhere where you can get rid of your piles of change, and convert them into gift cards for merchants, or coupons. It would be great to use this vast infrastructure to convert all this change into btc paper wallets.

I'm sure this would be already happening except for the regulatory issues involved.

sorry, very bust week, I will take a closer look tomorrow and should have the project site up and running

There already exists some P2P mesh phone networks TerraNet[1], serval[2] and FireChat are a few. None of them involve payment to phones you use as relays. Still,  that doesn't mean the idea of paying is dead.

My latest thinking is to have wallet numbers as phone numbers. That way you can be sure who is calling you and that you have got through to the number you dialed (various ways of doing that). Still not sure if relay phones can check in real time if they will get paid (by looking on the blockchain to see if the wallet has enough coins in it) but I don't think being cheated would be a big problem in general. Sure, someone could write an app to cheat the system by generating wallet numbers that it uses one time (or a few times)  with no coin in it but they'd lose the ability to identify them selves to the callee, hardly seems worth the effort, if fees are reasonable. I'm not into hardware of phones so don't know how many models have wi-fi (which seems a good way to form the mesh). If wi-fi is common (and accessible from an app) then if apps are written for a few platforms perhaps the system might boot it self and grow slowly, in different geographical areas to start with. The phone can use the conventional centralised system if no mesh phones are near by. If I knew much about writing such apps I might of had a go. As it  I write C++ CAD/CAM code and am getting on a bit, so am not sure if I could make a decent job or even get the job done before I snuff it. So I'll leave it at that for now.

[1] http://www.terra.net.lb/
[2] http://www.servalproject.org/

Also introduction of Bitcoin Credit card is a very good option to introduce in the current market.
I cant see Bitcoin Credit card being started by this time. but it has to be managed properly with proper
setup.

Bitcoin Wallet debit card is one option which all online wallet providers should consider.
This will defiantly help in gaining more interest of more people to their wallet.

Due to lack of interest, this thread will be closed and locked in 24 hours.

I work all day and at the same time have two kids home for the week of spring break, so it is hectic for me.  While I was at the office today I came up with the idea to create a project site for the best ones that hit here.  There are plenty of pre-built CMS that will work and I have some server space.  The only thing that I do not have is a proper domain to use.  The only free domain that I am not using at the moment is nexxusdomains.com and that really does not fit.  So......two things that I need everyone to pitch in on.

1.  Help come up with a domain name that will work for a "multi in-development project site" based on this thread here.

2. I think that voting is the best way to pick which projects hit the site.

I only want to use some kind of system to limit the number of projects because there are going to be some that are not quite ready.  I am not picking on anyone, but will use the P2P mobile network as an example.  It is a great idea, but you are going to have to take some first steps before anyone is going to follow you. I want to implement a crowdfunding back half to the project site or even a second domain for crowdfunding and I would hate to see people invest in projects that are not past the initial planning stages.  The P2P mobile idea is awesome and I am not saying to go out and build a cell tower in the back yard or drop a load of cash to convince people to get behind you, just put together a bit of a plan.  I started this thread for ideas from the bottom up and I do not want to discourage outright brainstorming.  If you have the idea and not a clue where to go with it, speak up and say that.  Others can take your idea and run and with the right level of cooperation, every one wins.

Edit Addition:

The more I think about it, the more ideas I have for controlling some things.  Here are a couple tentative rules for being listed.

Buddy System...every project placed on the development site needs a minimum of two people on the project.  Anyone posting an idea here that is Jr Member or below will need a user to agree to partner with them.  This is not a financial obligation, simply that each project needs two people and one of them should be above Jr. 

Each project to be considered will have to have its own thread.  Take your time and plan out your OP.  Put together the thread and make sure that it is self-moderated so you can keep it neat.  Add the link to your original reply/post here.

At the moment, I cannot think of more than that.  As time passes this thread will be neatened and cleaned.  I would not suggest trying to sig spam.  Projects listed here will have one of two things happen to them.  Projects added to the project site will be asked to condense most replies into their OP here and delete any that are not important.  Once a project is picked up,  I intend for it to only appear here on this thread once.  Most replies will be deleted and that OP should have a link to the project site, a link to thread that is devoted to that project and a short description.

Projects that go nowhere or get little attention will be deleted after a reasonable period of time.  At the same time, if there are a couple of replies they will be deleted. 

Anyone on the forum that is willing to help maintain this thread and keep it neat, let me know.

Agree. Probably the best option would be if one of the popular websites implemented this (coinmap?), or even if the directory is shared on multiple of sites. Starting website from scratch could never get desired traction.


If you could, that would be great.

i hope idea is booked on some thread, wish moderator can help to create thread about idea,and we would more easy to disscuss about our idea,not just on this post and so many quotes.

AIUI, bluetooth is too short range, but what's the range of a mobile itself? They all, at present, have to connect with an antenna. The range seems to be highly variable but with a well sited mast it's about 35km[1]. Phone to phone is a lot less, about 2km according to this blog[2]. TerraNet[3] is a firm working on P2P, or mesh, networks, but it's unlikely we'll see such a system kick off in developed countries first. I mean, what would be the business model? That's one of the downsides of capitalism, if there's no profit then who's going to invest time and effort to kick off a P2P phone network, even if it would result in a system that would compete with the status quo and so likely drive down prices and/or improve the current private phone services[4]? A P2P network will more likely start in undeveloped countries, but will they be crushed by private firms as the country develops?

Seems to me, besides the lack of a business model, the only problems preventing a P2P network from coming about are technical (1) algorithms to route and  link distant phones (2) how to pay phones to relay calls on. It's perfectly possible to connect over short ranges (I think TerraNet is limited to 7 hops/relays). But as anyone can connect to the system it'd be possible for anyone to set up an antenna to relay calls on - the cost of entering the market is very low. If you live in a high rise flat, or on top of a hill, just get yourself a few cheap phones and the electronics to boost the signal and you're earning bitcoins (assuming that's the currency used in the system). So I don't see the range cannot match what private system do now, people are very innovative - especially if they stand to gain and cost of entry to the market is low. Also, I see no reason why phones cannot link to a local Wi-Fi point, maybe in a private house (which gets paid) and thus can go via the internet to make the call.

But I come back to my original question about bitcion being suitable as a currency for such a system, that is "can a phone acting as a relay be sure it will get paid?" It cannot wait for confirmations. Can it rely on a (crypotgraphically) signed transaction? I guess to be sure it'd have to check the wallet is not empty, but even then it'd be in danger of losing out to a double spend! Still, I doubt many would go to the trouble of cheating the system if it were cheap enough. I don't know enough about the mechanics of bitcoin to answer the question myself, that's why I'm asking here.


[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_site
[2] http://agonist.org/p2p_style_mobile_phones/
[3] http://terranet.se/?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=8&id=17&Itemid=62
[4] But then again, who would spend time and effort kicking off a virtual currency which is controlled by its users instead of a central body?

I see one of two scenarios that are "affordable".  Most of the newer cell companies rent the towers and data stream from a pre-existing network.  If you work that somehow then you are using the FIAT system to pay to make the whole thing possible and that is fine.  Otherwise the system will have to be built from the ground up and that is very expensive.  Not just equipment, like towers, but fees to the states and to the feds, you may even get to the point where you need a satellite or two.  Then, you have to either integrate the system with the current system so that your users could call people off the P2P network or wait a very long time for it to gain speed and popularity.  I have seen a lot of tech that I waited years for it to be used enough to be useful to me.  I even remember the first cell phones in the early 80's.  You could only call others that were on the same network.  Thirty years later, mass use of cell phones.

I think you might need the money-making stuff to get people there and then have about 90% real-life applications and the rest money-making.  We have done a lot of blogs and forums in the past and it is sometimes what gets them in the door is the greed, but what keeps them there is real-life common sense.

Not saying anything bad.  I like ad networks of all kinds, but I am a little confused by your explanation.  It seems like you are wanting a redirect from a site that does not have your ads to a site that does?

Great idea, although it may take some time for a site like that to get any real meat on the bone.  You could combine that with other info in the beginning and as time goes by and more merchants are added start losing the other content.

The videos are a good idea, although I think that there are too many scam sites coming and going to make a video about each one.  At least if the videos are of any quality.  After the tutorials you could break down the week with a video covering all of that and one video per  week could still be made with a good level of quality.

This is not a service idea, but just a marketing one: I'd really like it if the bitcoin debit card people issued statistics on how many people were using it and what the total amounts are.

Very often people won't adopt something unless they know other people are doing it. At the moment we've got all these services but no idea if anyone is actually using them.