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hero member
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April 11, 2015, 09:49:58 AM
#26

Why are you not listening to the person who wrote the software you're using?

There's nothing wrong here. You are mixing up discarded WORK with accepted and rejected SHARES. Disregard the discarded value.

I guess the issue here is that he does not understand what "discarded work" means, does not know who wrote the software he's using and thinks that "discarded work" means that the miner will have somehow a diminished hash rate recorded by the pool, hence less income.

To put it in layman's terms, your miner is trying to find blocks. It's a brute-force approach with some parameters initiated by the pool. The miner finds hash results which fit more or less with what the pool wants to receive. If the hash results your miner finds do not comply with the minimum pool requirements they're discarded. When you submit a share and it's accepted, the pool takes into account (statistically) that you hashed a certain number of times and most of the time the hash result was under the pool requirements. When a pool rejects your share that means you hashed for nothing and the effort does not count towards your income. This is what you should monitor.

The hash results of your miner are at best, a function of luck. For a given number of blocks found (if any), you will have a large number of hashes submitted and accepted by the pool, a small number of rejected shares which were hashed in error, an average amount of hardware errors, mostly if you overclock the units and the hash result is not actually a valid hash result ..  and another large number of "discarded" shares, with results so poor that even the mining software will not send the results to the pool in order to conserve bandwidth. When -ck says you should disregard this value with respect to your accepted and/or rejected shares .. it is the most qualified opinion you might get .. ever.

The best use of the discarded work vs total shares is to "compute" your luck (or how lucky your miner is) with respect to the pool requirements. As I said above  on a different pool with low pool requirements you might have a smaller "discarded" value, but higher bandwith and more or less the same considered hashrate or income (considering all pools with the same hidden costs).  

.. what I'm pissed of, is the number of unqualified opinions giving wrong advice ..
-ck
legendary
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Ruu \o/
April 10, 2015, 10:03:24 PM
#25
I already performed those steps. Still the same thing.

Why are you not listening to the person who wrote the software you're using?

There's nothing wrong here. You are mixing up discarded WORK with accepted and rejected SHARES. Disregard the discarded value.
legendary
Activity: 1456
Merit: 1000
April 10, 2015, 06:34:15 PM
#24
Hello,

I already performed those steps. Still the same thing.

Did you try other pools?    Did you try antpool with it?

Different pools can make a big effect. Latency, and how far server is, how good it is.  Just a lot of things in the mix.
newbie
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April 10, 2015, 04:53:23 PM
#23
Hello,

I already performed those steps. Still the same thing.
newbie
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April 10, 2015, 03:22:57 PM
#22
Hello,

I have couple of Antminer s3+ machines and I noticed that they are all recording huge amounts of rejects and discards when mining bitcoins. The reject on this one Is low, but on others very high.
What is it that I am doing wrong?

GH/S   430.55
ACCEPTED -  1,535
DISCARDED  - 42,455
REJECTED - 13

Also, any good pools out there to mine?

Thanks.



Hi it's OSAMan1

I think you should do this and place it into your troubleshooting and record the results: Step 1. Go to Bitmain Antminer's direct website https://www.bitmaintech.com/support.htm and Step 2 download the latest firmware for your device Antminer S3 from the support page Step 3. Pull up your Static IP that your miner is on 192.186.1.XX or 1.XXX 4. Make sure you also download the Antminer  S3 Manual https://www.bitmaintech.com/support.htm?pid=007201407180243004432lBQW28O0633 - for any other matter within the troubleshooting Scientific Method in terms of the process of elimination. Step 5. back on the page where your Static IP that your miner is on 192.186.1.XX or 1.XXX Click on the System Page click on Backup /Flash Firmware Step 6. Locate Flash new firmware image at the bottom of the screen Step 7. Now click on " No file Chosen " to the right of "Choose File" and find your DOWNLAODED FILE of >> antMiner_S320150109.bin << the latest Firmware currently on the Bitmain website Step 8. Click Save and Apply or the you should see the standard spinning or a working update to the left side Step 9. Go Check after a Save or Update takes. Step 10. Optional do a reboot after putting new firmware in.  

Truly      

P.S. Let me know if you overclocked it or not already before this problem started. 
-ck
legendary
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Ruu \o/
April 08, 2015, 11:31:47 PM
#21
Hello,

I have couple of Antminer s3+ machines and I noticed that they are all recording huge amounts of rejects and discards when mining bitcoins. The reject on this one Is low, but on others very high.
What is it that I am doing wrong?

GH/S   430.55
ACCEPTED -  1,535
DISCARDED  - 42,455
REJECTED - 13

Also, any good pools out there to mine?

Thanks.

There's nothing wrong here. You are mixing up discarded WORK with accepted and rejected SHARES. Disregard the discarded value.
sr. member
Activity: 294
Merit: 250
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April 08, 2015, 11:28:28 PM
#20
Everyone..... I'm really so sorry for the lack of response. Issues came up.

Yes, my Asics section reads.   oooooooo oooooooo .

Temperature in the room is a little bit high, but I am trying to keep it under control. Just thinking that I should be making more money from all these machines. So tired of this business.

The machines do go up and down in hashrates though.


IMO either ghash.io or antpool.com is best for Antminers.
legendary
Activity: 1628
Merit: 1012
April 08, 2015, 06:07:30 PM
#19
Thanks.

Is it ok that I email you directly?

Thanks.

If that was directed to me then feel free to PM me directly, sure.
newbie
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April 08, 2015, 06:04:54 PM
#18
Thanks.

Is it ok that I email you directly?

Thanks.
legendary
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April 08, 2015, 05:43:39 PM
#17
Hello,

Thanks for all the info. I believe it is the pool that I'm mining at.

Are there good mining sites that I can mine?

Thanks.

A lot of these are old.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Comparison_of_mining_pools

I suggest Eligius, Wizkid is a great dev and I've always enjoyed that pool.
newbie
Activity: 6
Merit: 0
April 08, 2015, 05:40:15 PM
#16
Hello,

Thanks for all the info. I believe it is the pool that I'm mining at.

Are there good mining sites that I can mine?

Thanks.
sr. member
Activity: 294
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April 08, 2015, 03:24:22 PM
#15
Everyone..... I'm really so sorry for the lack of response. Issues came up.

Yes, my Asics section reads.   oooooooo oooooooo .

Temperature in the room is a little bit high, but I am trying to keep it under control. Just thinking that I should be making more money from all these machines. So tired of this business.

The machines do go up and down in hashrates though.

you can try renting out your rigs on a site like miningrigrentals.com
tends to mitigate some losses, and maybe trick some fool into paying super high Cheesy
What are you suggesting he do? Scam someone and ruin his reputation? You're an idiot if his miners aren't working why would he rent them out and "trick some fool into paying super high" Don't be a dick.

He's saying this ASIC are fine, if its shares rejected then its definitely the pool.
Also, renting sites verify if you're hashing properly, no one will pay for a broken rig. No need to assume everyone is a dick.
newbie
Activity: 6
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April 08, 2015, 02:48:27 PM
#14
Ha ha hahah. But where are you mining?
sr. member
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April 08, 2015, 02:18:49 PM
#13
Everyone..... I'm really so sorry for the lack of response. Issues came up.

Yes, my Asics section reads.   oooooooo oooooooo .

Temperature in the room is a little bit high, but I am trying to keep it under control. Just thinking that I should be making more money from all these machines. So tired of this business.

The machines do go up and down in hashrates though.

you can try renting out your rigs on a site like miningrigrentals.com
tends to mitigate some losses, and maybe trick some fool into paying super high Cheesy
newbie
Activity: 6
Merit: 0
April 08, 2015, 01:28:59 PM
#12
Everyone..... I'm really so sorry for the lack of response. Issues came up.

Yes, my Asics section reads.   oooooooo oooooooo .

Temperature in the room is a little bit high, but I am trying to keep it under control. Just thinking that I should be making more money from all these machines. So tired of this business.

The machines do go up and down in hashrates though.
sr. member
Activity: 350
Merit: 250
April 08, 2015, 11:48:46 AM
#11
Check your miners temperature, are you using extra fans? Do you keep your room temperature under control?
sr. member
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April 08, 2015, 11:17:22 AM
#10
ops...

i think olumidea1234 is gone...
maybe, mean he have resolved!

Probably, or forgot his login credentials/Forgot about this thread Grin
legendary
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Merit: 1042
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April 08, 2015, 02:52:38 AM
#9
ops...

i think olumidea1234 is gone...
maybe, mean he have resolved!
sr. member
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April 07, 2015, 09:31:27 PM
#8
Tends to be either your pool, or mining hardware itself.

You could try switching pools and see if you notice a difference?
legendary
Activity: 1456
Merit: 1002
April 07, 2015, 12:16:16 PM
#7
Maybe one of your miners is bad? or being over heated?

You should screen cap from your mining pool on the performance, so we can see what you are seeing as well. The rejects can be several different things, but I intially think its based on a faulty miner, or thats just a normal reject # out of so many found blocks.
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