New whale bought $3 billion dollars worth of Bitcoins..

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Quote from: ScamViruS on August 16, 2022, 01:30:53 PM

This investor became the top holder of bitcoins after entering the market, and the owner of this address may be buying more bitcoins. So it is easy to imagine that if retail investors invest by following these smart uinvestors, they can get positive results. These investors come into the market with a long term plan, this investor may have waited long in advance to grab this opportunity. As a result, he got enough of his expected price to buy bitcoins. So all these activities indicate how much demand for Bitcoin is growing among billionaire investors.

Speaking of bitcoin whales there is so much news about them every day whenever they buy sell or transfer something but we should pay too much attention to this news because mostly these are not just one person but are a group of people or companies but they prefer to do not leak any information about themselves that's why we mostly thing the address belongs to one person however this is still lot's of bitcoin even for a group of people which shows us we are in the good price level to buy and invest.

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Quote from: justdimin on August 17, 2022, 02:43:41 PM

I am sure that it will be spread out eventually. Coinbase does like to move money around and they have so much money, like insane amount of money that it is normal for them to switch it around time to time for protection. When you have 3 billion dollars just on one account, I am sure that someone could spend a few million dollars to buy some computers (and a few million dollars worth of computers would have "some" power) then you could use even brute force, or any other way to crack into it.

I am sure it must be still near impossible but it is still better to be safe than sorry which is why they keep on moving these one by one, and then probably will spread it out.

Definitely, they are doing some precautions because the amount is huge.
We don't know the steps they are undertaking and for sure they won't disclose it to the public.
But media is really not doing deep research before publishing their article.
It is not a new whale but one of the top exchanges. They can give a different notion to the public.

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Quote from: Cookdata on August 17, 2022, 04:18:39 AM

It is kind of odd for such kind of wallet to have that kind of bitcoin held on a single wallet, let's assume that it is an exchange wallet which in this case is assumed to belong to coinbase but most exchange cold wallets are always multi-sig wallet for security reasons but this is an old wallet legacy address.
If you look at the transaction with this wallet address 1LQoWist8KkaUXSPKZHNvEyfrEkPHzSsCd
I'm a bit sceptical about why will MicroStrategy send bitcoin to coinbase wallet, if they are doing an OTC transaction, it should be that it is the exchange wallet that should be sending bitcoin to the MicroStrategy wallet. Also, the assumed coinbase wallet just had only incoming transactions and not a single outgoing transaction which leaves me with the question that where will they have bitcoin to settle some institutional investors who subsequently withdraw or even trade bitcoin if that wallet belong to coinbase.

I am sure that it will be spread out eventually. Coinbase does like to move money around and they have so much money, like insane amount of money that it is normal for them to switch it around time to time for protection. When you have 3 billion dollars just on one account, I am sure that someone could spend a few million dollars to buy some computers (and a few million dollars worth of computers would have "some" power) then you could use even brute force, or any other way to crack into it.

I am sure it must be still near impossible but it is still better to be safe than sorry which is why they keep on moving these one by one, and then probably will spread it out.

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Quote from: fillippone on August 17, 2022, 12:10:11 PM

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Not sure but a change in Microstrategy recently where Phong Le succeeded Saylor as CEO implies they might start to abandon their 'old core' around Micheal Saylor's beliefs. Perhaps a more pragmatic approach even though Phong Le reiterated the same thing as Micheal Saylor, about HODL Bitcoin under his watch as well.

I won’t hold my breath for this.
Of course the appoin of a new CFO is a carefully planned process, that maybe started a few years back. There is no way a CFO can change such a strategically important strategy in a few months without the approval of both the CEO and of the President of the company.

Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aN-8x4iSgzo

Mr Saylor clearly says he's the majority owner and nobody is crossing him

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Quote from: kensaii on August 17, 2022, 11:57:57 AM

Not sure but a change in Microstrategy recently where Phong Le succeeded Saylor as CEO implies they might start to abandon their 'old core' around Micheal Saylor's beliefs. Perhaps a more pragmatic approach even though Phong Le reiterated the same thing as Micheal Saylor, about HODL Bitcoin under his watch as well.

I won’t hold my breath for this.
Of course, the appointment of a new CFO is a carefully planned process that maybe started a few years back. There is no way a CFO can change such a strategically important strategy in a few months without the approval of both the CEO and the President of the company.

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Quote from: stompix on August 17, 2022, 07:36:30 AM

Quote from: Cookdata on August 17, 2022, 04:18:39 AM

More detailed interaction between MicroStrategy, other wallets and 1LQoWist8KkaUXSPKZHNvEyfrEkPHzSsCd, you can see that coinbase wallets are also sending bitcoin to Microstrategy and then later sent to the legacy wallet address.

I see you mentioning that name 3 times and labeling some addresses as such but can you please elaborate:
- what addresses are those owned by MicroStrategy as you never mentioned them
- why do you think those are owned by them at all other than having a lot of coins?

Quote from: hZti on August 16, 2022, 03:36:54 PM

Still the author got what he wanted and thats your click and his ad revenue.

Unfortunately for him, I use uBlock and so his add revenue is zero! Grin

Worse, you wasted their bandwidth data so they were with the net loss, not you! Take that shitty unethical journalism site. I know the server's bandwidth nowadays is dirt cheap but if only 100% of users clicked on that article come with ad block like you, the site would be at the net loss.

Quote from: fillippone on August 17, 2022, 08:11:07 AM

I retain many doubts about Microstrategy selling their stash.
I am going to post here the first three reasons that come to my mind, in relative order of importance:

To date, any labelling of a bitcoin wallet to Microstrategy appeared shady or tentative to me. I guess their UTXO management is very wary of privacy considerations, so I tend to believe that any labelling is improbable, to say the least.
As Micheal Saylor said, Microstrategy is a listed company, hence any movement in their Bitcoin Stash, as a price sensitive informa to in, as to be readily disclosed to public. So there cannot be things as “rumours”. This is more true when the alleged sell is not negligible.
Micheal Saylor reiterated also recently that any sell in Bitcoin is against their “Bitcoin Strategy” so I tend to believe they are not selling.

Not sure but a change in Microstrategy recently where Phong Le succeeded Saylor as CEO implies they might start to abandon their 'old core' around Micheal Saylor's beliefs. Perhaps a more pragmatic approach even though Phong Le reiterated the same thing as Micheal Saylor, about HODL Bitcoin under his watch as well.

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Quote from: Lucius on August 17, 2022, 07:52:45 AM

Maybe @fillippone has some information about it, considering he is very well versed in everything that happens with that company.

I retain many doubts about Microstrategy selling their stash.
I am going to post here the first three reasons that come to my mind, in relative order of importance:

To date, any labelling of a bitcoin wallet to Microstrategy appeared shady or tentative to me. I guess their UTXO management is very wary of privacy considerations, so I tend to believe that any labelling is improbable, to say the least.
As Micheal Saylor said, Microstrategy is a listed company, hence any movement in their Bitcoin Stash, as a price sensitive informa to in, as to be readily disclosed to public. So there cannot be things as “rumours”. This is more true when the alleged sell is not negligible.
Micheal Saylor reiterated also recently that any sell in Bitcoin is against their “Bitcoin Strategy” so I tend to believe they are not selling.

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Quote from: stompix on August 17, 2022, 07:36:30 AM

I see you mentioning that name 3 times and labeling some addresses as such but can you please elaborate:
- what addresses are those owned by MicroStrategy as you never mentioned them
- why do you think those are owned by them at all other than having a lot of coins?

There are some rumors that Microstrategy has allegedly sold or at least moved their Bitcoin based on 2 addresses that some believe are in their possession. I know that something was written about it in the main MS thread some time ago, but I don't remember how that discussion ended about whether these are addresses from Microstrategy or if there is some other explanation.

Maybe @fillippone has some information about it, considering that he is very well versed in everything that happens with that company.

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Quote from: Cookdata on August 17, 2022, 04:18:39 AM

More detailed interaction between MicroStrategy, other wallets and 1LQoWist8KkaUXSPKZHNvEyfrEkPHzSsCd, you can see that coinbase wallets are also sending bitcoin to Microstrategy and then later sent to the legacy wallet address.

I see you mentioning that name 3 times and labeling some addresses as such but can you please elaborate:
- what addresses are those owned by MicroStrategy as you never mentioned them
- why do you think those are owned by them at all other than having a lot of coins?

Quote from: hZti on August 16, 2022, 03:36:54 PM

Still the author got what he wanted and thats your click and his ad revenue.

Unfortunately for him, I use uBlock and so his add revenue is zero! Grin

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I think it's actually a good story to show that some people care way too much about whales and believe in their ability to manipulate the market. Someone buys $3 billion worth of Bitcoin, and the event gets some media attention. So aside from the purchase itself, there's also a bit of FOMO going on. The price goes up by less than 10% over a course of several days, and then drops back to the pre-purchase level in a couple of days more. That's what $3 billion does to the market. So manipulating it is MUCH harder than some assume. And that's assuming it's a single person which, chances are, it's not.

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It is kind of odd for such kind of wallet to have that kind of bitcoin held on a single wallet, let's assume that it is an exchange wallet which in this case is assumed to belong to coinbase but most exchange cold wallets are always multi-sig wallet for security reasons but this is an old wallet legacy address.
If you look at the transaction with this wallet address 1LQoWist8KkaUXSPKZHNvEyfrEkPHzSsCd
I'm a bit sceptical about why will MicroStrategy send bitcoin to coinbase wallet, if they are doing an OTC transaction, it should be that it is the exchange wallet that should be sending bitcoin to the MicroStrategy wallet. Also, the assumed coinbase wallet just had only incoming transactions and not a single outgoing transaction which leaves me with the question that where will they have bitcoin to settle some institutional investors who subsequently withdraw or even trade bitcoin if that wallet belong to coinbase.

More detailed interaction between MicroStrategy, other wallets and 1LQoWist8KkaUXSPKZHNvEyfrEkPHzSsCd, you can see that coinbase wallets are also sending bitcoin to Microstrategy and then later sent to the legacy wallet address.

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Quote from: amishmanish on August 16, 2022, 11:00:54 PM

The problem with journalists is that they often had to write stories on stuff they know little about. So in order to write a good story, they end up creating sensational stories. We need to rational heads here. Thanks for correction I believe the change had been made in actual media story as well.

There is a whole business built around fake stories, namely Whale-Alert. It is not just the news sites that try to make money with clickbaits, at times they even try to manipulate the market. Basically they look at the blockchain and build a story around transactions. If they can find any link to an exchange they make their fake story more believable.

90% of the time the fake story is about someone dumping bitcoin though, I rarely see one about someone buying bitcoin.

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Quote from: stompix on August 16, 2022, 01:45:59 PM

I wish journalists would take two seconds to actually understand what they are writing about.

There is no new whale, all those funds sitting in the new address:
https://bitinfocharts.com/de/bitcoin/address/1LQoWist8KkaUXSPKZHNvEyfrEkPHzSsCd
have come from here:
https://bitinfocharts.com/de/bitcoin/address/1P5ZEDWTKTFGxQjZphgWPQUpe554WKDfHQ

You can see pretty well all the movements:
1P5ZEDWTKTFGxQjZphgWPQUpe554WKDfHQ>1FzWLkAahHooV3kzTgyx6qsswXJ6sCXkSR>1LQoWist8KkaUXSPKZHNvEyfrEkPHzSsCd

And no, that's no new whale and no older whale, that's Coinbase (the company) wallet and they are just moving funds to a new adress.

Taking a look at the amount and without even reading your reply, I automatically thought it was either an exchange, or some sort of hedge fund. Like, what are the chances that a multi-billionaire just right out buys $3b in bitcoin? Quite low.

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The problem with journalists is that they often had to write stories on stuff they know little about. So in order to write a good story, they end up creating sensational stories. We need to rational heads here. Thanks for correction I believe the change had been made in actual media story as well.

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Quote from: ScamViruS on August 16, 2022, 02:31:08 PM

After seeing the transection, the journalist published the news without any verification. And since I saw the news on a popular news portal, I also thought that the owner of this address is really someone. For what purpose the journalist has published this news, he probably knows well, otherwise how could they not identify the coinbase address. And I also thought that any company owns this address, finally it turns out that coinbase owns this address.

The title alone is more of a clickbait by the author in order to get masses clicking on the article to read further about the "new whale" Grin

IMO, I don't even care if a whale buy lots of Bitcoins and sends them to a certain address. They can offload the Bitcoins any second, so It does not matter that much.

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Quote from: stompix on August 16, 2022, 02:40:51 PM

Because they have quotas for articles and quotas for click bait titles.
How many do you think would have read the article "Coinbase moves its coins to a new wallet"?

I think the same. This news was made by an author who wanted to do an article that people that are not that educated in the bitcoin space would read and that seems plausible. If you read more deeply in that topic you will find out that its just speculation that can never be proven. Still the author got what he wanted and thats your click and his ad revenue.

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Quote from: Upgrade00 on August 16, 2022, 02:01:18 PM

If you don't mind my asking, how can one deduce the specific exchange an address belongs to?
I'm aware it's possible to use available blockchain activity to recognize addresses belonging to exchanges and individuals alike, but I'm not sure how to identify which particular exchange the address belongs to.

As an individual, the only way is to deposit coins to that exchange and just trace their journey, at least they will at one point link to the hot wallet, and from there you can start guessing if larger fixed sums of coins get on regular interval moved to another address that that might be their cold wallet. But once you have data from multiple sources and multiple users and you can start making differences between transfers to cold wallets to other exchanges (that also happen all the time) people can start pinpointing those wallets more accurately.
Tracking is the best way, those coins have to go somewhere and it's not like an exchange will use a tumbler to hide the traces.

Quote from: ScamViruS on August 16, 2022, 02:31:08 PM

For what purpose the journalist has published this news, he probably knows well, otherwise how could they not identify the coinbase address.

Because they have quotas for articles and quotas for click bait titles.
How many do you think would have read the article "Coinbase moves its coins to a new wallet"?

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Quote from: stompix on August 16, 2022, 01:45:59 PM

I wish journalists would take two seconds to actually understand what they are writing about.

There is no new whale, all those funds sitting in the new address:
https://bitinfocharts.com/de/bitcoin/address/1LQoWist8KkaUXSPKZHNvEyfrEkPHzSsCd
have come from here:
https://bitinfocharts.com/de/bitcoin/address/1P5ZEDWTKTFGxQjZphgWPQUpe554WKDfHQ

You can see pretty well all the movements:
1P5ZEDWTKTFGxQjZphgWPQUpe554WKDfHQ>1FzWLkAahHooV3kzTgyx6qsswXJ6sCXkSR>1LQoWist8KkaUXSPKZHNvEyfrEkPHzSsCd

And no, that's no new whale and no older whale, that's Coinbase (the company) wallet and they are just moving funds to a new adress.

After seeing the transection, the journalist published the news without any verification. And since I saw the news on a popular news portal, I also thought that the owner of this address is really someone. For what purpose the journalist has published this news, he probably knows well, otherwise how could they not identify the coinbase address. And I also thought that any company owns this address, finally it turns out that coinbase owns this address.

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Most of these wallets that holds a lot of bitcoin owns by company and most likely they're exchanges.

I think an individual that has a lot of bitcoins in store is likely to scatter it with different wallets, unlike these exchanges, they're sitting all that they've got into likely a few wallets as a cold storage.

And anytime a huge accumulation happens, there goes the media and will write it down for them to have a free content which usually happens and is nothing new.

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