I'm more bothered about the dreadful coloured formatting, and the pseudo-spam appearance, and I didn't bother to read much of the post as a result.
I think it would be a big mistake to prevent new members posting questions about minor alts. One of the most useful aims of Bitcoin Talk is to help newer members to avoid the multitude of scams that are around in crypto. It is also useful to discuss some of the newer minor alt projects. One that I tried is BAT, and that seems to be picking up slowly, another is BitBlocks, but that seems to be in decline. I thought that both of those had some long term potential, but it is fairly difficult to determine if the project teams are sufficiently committed to realise this potential. Discussions on suitable boards here can be useful for members to make decisions. Just because a member is new to the forum, it doesn't mean he is new to crypto, or doesn't have useful knowledge to share with us. Lets encourage constructive new members to become more active, and teach them to avoid spamming and encouraging fraud.
Topic: Newbie accounts should not be allowed to post in certain forums. (Read 575 times)
August 18, 2019, 02:38:08 AM
We are all here to learn and grab knowledge. Sharing of idea or knowledge is for everybody to air his or her view about something. Restricting newbie is like withholding information from them. If newbie shouldn't speculate the price of bitcoin, that means they shouldn't have the right to acquire bitcoin cos they have no knowledge about it
There are forums where newbies should not be allowed to post; forums where it is expected for them to have more experience levels before they can contribute anything.
How can you know the experience level of a person behind a username? Yes, they might be Newbies in terms of the age of their account here on this forum but they can also be very experienced in real life but they didn't create an account here until just recently.
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Since the thread I posted a reply on is one of the deleted ones (for being triplicate), I’ll add here what I said in that thread (no need to self-quote my post, since it was deleted along with the thread):While some ideas of the kind is recurrently brought up on Meta, favouring Newbie accounts being more restricted to where they can post (and even to the frequency of posting), the current stand is no:
<…> Limiting newbie participation is very harmful for a community. Newbie jail will never return: I consider the newbie-jail period to have been extremely damaging to the forum. When barriers to participation are too high, then the best people often just won't go to the trouble of joining, and the people who are willing to jump through the hoops are often people who aren't good for the community: people with nothing better to do, scammers, get-rick-quickers, etc. Having a permanent newbie jail policy would improve things a lot in the short-term, but would end up being a fatal poison to the community. <…>
In the specific case of your thread, the accusations have not caught eco so far (or maybe even spotted) by any DT member yet, and thus there is no related trust feedback not flags/banners. That would be a grave stain to your account and threads, but requires a certain protocol that entails going beyond a mere accusation post on your thread created by a Newbie account, as is the case. So far, that front is in the clear.As to the Newbie accusatory posts, you can report them if you wish. They may or may not be deleted though. Nevertheless, it would be good to refute their accusation which is mainly based on the photograph of the same person with apparent different names on Twitter and Wikipedia. That should be addressed with a plausible explanation, just to leave a written counter-argument to the alleged accusation (I did not find it on your thread, but I may have missed it).
You could also open a post in Reputation if at this point you consider it necessary, in order to get other people’s feedback.
Nice to see this topic on the proper board. I was expecting OP to move one of the topics to move it to Meta instead of creating a third one. In case OP is not aware, you can also move your post to other boards (option available at the lower left).
As I said on the other similar threads (now deleted), you cannot assume that all newbies are complete noobs about crypto or blockchain. There are other avenues to learn. Limiting where they can post here is unfair.
As I said on the other similar threads (now deleted), you cannot assume that all newbies are complete noobs about crypto or blockchain. There are other avenues to learn. Limiting where they can post here is unfair.
I am support into the disabling of the signature of those newbie on some boards as some only wanted to comply the quantity of their posts because of what they wear, hoping more managers are onto this as well.
Such things already applied months ago, Newbies first with original merit system, then Junior Members with Junior Member demotion wave in September 2018.Enhanced newbie restrictions & requirements
Due to excessive garbage-posting, you now need 1 merit to be a Jr Member. All existing Jr Members who didn't meet the requirement were demoted. Also, newbies can no longer set any signature or personal text.
At least the head admin does not have intention to reimplement Newbie Jail, and has not shown any signal that he will change this approach.
Disabling the right to wear signature of newbies, and restrict newbies whom can not earn a single merit to become Junior Members are good strategy to control them, and somehow motivate them to contribute more in the forum (to receive at least a single merits, before start to spam again
). There are some other contributions from forum community, such as Spambuster club, and plagiabot, are also helpful to eliminate Newbie-spammers, whom are too lazy and dumb.
I am support into the disabling of the signature of those newbie on some boards as some only wanted to comply the quantity of their posts because of what they wear, hoping more managers are onto this as well. Disabling the right to wear signature of newbies, and restrict newbies whom can not earn a single merit to become Junior Members are good strategy to control them, and somehow motivate them to contribute more in the forum (to receive at least a single merits, before start to spam again
). There are some other contributions from forum community, such as Spambuster club, and plagiabot, are also helpful to eliminate Newbie-spammers, whom are too lazy and dumb.I guess you don't have to discriminate all newbie accounts. There are some rare scenario that those accounts are sometimes handled by knowledgeable on the industry, if you limit newbie not just on speculation board and onto others as well I guess that's stereotyping them. We can't restrict those who do FUD as that's what they do you can ignore them if you want.
At least the head admin does not have intention to reimplement Newbie Jail, and has not shown any signal that he will change this approach.Disabling the right to wear signature of newbies, and restrict newbies whom can not earn a single merit to become Junior Members are good strategy to control them, and somehow motivate them to contribute more in the forum (to receive at least a single merits, before start to spam again
). There are some other contributions from forum community, such as Spambuster club, and plagiabot, are also helpful to eliminate Newbie-spammers, whom are too lazy and dumb.
I guess you don't have to discriminate all newbie accounts. There are some rare scenario that those accounts are sometimes handled by knowledgeable on the industry, if you limit newbie not just on speculation board and onto others as well I guess that's stereotyping them. We can't restrict those who do FUD as that's what they do you can ignore them if you want.
1. satoshi would disagree
2. theymos would disagree
because people wont understand the basics if those who were here wont allow it.blockchain needs social awareness,people needs to educate how blockchain works.
There are literally hundred's of blogs online which teach you bitcoin/Blockchain from the basics. Even though the forum has a good response for newbie related questions but it isn't an ideal place to start learning about bitcoins. Most of the accounts created here are to either make money out of signatures or providing crypto related services. You will encounter very fewer threads by newbie accounts that need help understanding bitcoins. Infact, some of the members have spent years here doing signature campaigns and what not but they have no clue what a real bitcoin wallet is. 2. theymos would disagree
because people wont understand the basics if those who were here wont allow it.blockchain needs social awareness,people needs to educate how blockchain works.
If your ideas can't stand above FUD then there's something missing.
If you need to limit freedom of speech then there's something missing.
If you need to censor ideas no matter how idiotic then there's something missing.
If a user is truly swayed that easily, then I don't like the idea of having them be interested in an ICO/token/uselessCoin37 to which they can be dissuaded from entering just as easily.
If you need to limit freedom of speech then there's something missing.
If you need to censor ideas no matter how idiotic then there's something missing.
If a user is truly swayed that easily, then I don't like the idea of having them be interested in an ICO/token/uselessCoin37 to which they can be dissuaded from entering just as easily.
It's very unlikely theymos wants to further restrict Newbies:
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Not only this post in the forum, theymos explains more about his approach for the forum in Reddit. The forum is a centralized one, but admin has core approach to keep it as a free place to discuss for all, at least with some minimum restrictions and systems, to minimize spamming and scamming. Theymos admits that things become more complicated when bitcointalk.org become bigger over years, and it is hard to satisfy all users in the forum. However, he will keep giving people free rights to express their ideas, just under minimum rules and restrictions. If they don't agree with rules, or agree then violate rules, they should leave the forum and will be punished with some sort of punishments (temp / perm / signature bans)----snip-----
Primarily, it's just that freedom + size = mess, and with bitcointalk.org I've chosen to keep freedom about as high as possible, for example allowing paid signature ads, poor English, micro-earning services which often attract a spammy crowd, etc. Banning these things (and other noise-generating factors) would be easily possible, and would immediately lead to a cleaner environment, but it'd also be a less free environment. IMO there are enough highly-controlled platforms around, and I'd prefer to try maximizing the freedom axis. (Maximizing freedom on the forum was a policy started by Satoshi when he was an admin, BTW, though it was years after he left before the forum became large enough for freedom to actually come in conflict with signal much.)
Bitcointalk.org is under active development on two parallel paths:
First, although the outward appearance hasn't changed much at all since 2010, I have made tons of changes to the code, including many features. About a year ago for example I added the Merit system, which has improved signal-to-noise quite a bit, by means of changing incentives.
Second, a completely new software platform has long been in development. This software is open source, can be run now, and an instance of it is available for example at https://www.cryptos-currencies.com/ . But I don't think that it's quite complete enough to migrate bitcointalk.org to it yet.
On both development paths, we try to tackle signal-vs-noise by methods such as categorizing posts better, improving incentives, trying to create smaller sub-communities, etc., but not via restriction, if at all possible.
While I don't claim to have nearly maximized the signal-to-noise which might be possible even given a high degree of freedom, bitcointalk.org is pretty anarchic, and it will always be so. (Though note that some sections are much better than others.) If that doesn't appeal to you, then you should use a different site. Smaller communities, like IRC channels and similar, can be both free and have a high signal-to-noise ratio. This was bitcointalk.org in 2010-2013, but it's now too large. You can also have large communities that are more strictly moderated, like /r/Bitcoin.
Bitcointalk.org is under active development on two parallel paths:
First, although the outward appearance hasn't changed much at all since 2010, I have made tons of changes to the code, including many features. About a year ago for example I added the Merit system, which has improved signal-to-noise quite a bit, by means of changing incentives.
Second, a completely new software platform has long been in development. This software is open source, can be run now, and an instance of it is available for example at https://www.cryptos-currencies.com/ . But I don't think that it's quite complete enough to migrate bitcointalk.org to it yet.
On both development paths, we try to tackle signal-vs-noise by methods such as categorizing posts better, improving incentives, trying to create smaller sub-communities, etc., but not via restriction, if at all possible.
While I don't claim to have nearly maximized the signal-to-noise which might be possible even given a high degree of freedom, bitcointalk.org is pretty anarchic, and it will always be so. (Though note that some sections are much better than others.) If that doesn't appeal to you, then you should use a different site. Smaller communities, like IRC channels and similar, can be both free and have a high signal-to-noise ratio. This was bitcointalk.org in 2010-2013, but it's now too large. You can also have large communities that are more strictly moderated, like /r/Bitcoin.
I can't find the other posts, so I guess the mods deleted them already. 
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Talking about posting shoulds and shouldn’ts, you’ve now got three identical running threads, with the same OP content in them, on three different sections. Besides this thread, you’ve also got:https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5155752
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51513082
One would suffice, and you can move it if you placed it in the wrong board. It’s a bit of a mess having three running threads with the same objective and content, with answers in three different sections. At least I’d say you should lock the other two.
I addressed this in the Title Post.
Again I apologize. I did not know where to put my original post until someone kindly showed me where it needed to go.
I noted in the other posts that the thread was moved here then abandoned them.
The moderators should delete the old posts.
I admit I didn't think to lock them. I will now. Thank you.
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Talking about posting shoulds and shouldn’ts, you’ve now got three identical running threads, with the same OP content in them, on three different sections. Besides this thread, you’ve also got:https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5155752
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51513082
One would suffice, and you can move it if you placed it in the wrong board. It’s a bit of a mess having three running threads with the same objective and content, with answers in three different sections. At least I’d say you should lock the other two.
1. satoshi would disagree
2. theymos would disagree
because people wont understand the basics if those who were here wont allow it.blockchain needs social awareness,people needs to educate how blockchain works.
2. theymos would disagree
because people wont understand the basics if those who were here wont allow it.blockchain needs social awareness,people needs to educate how blockchain works.
Yeah don't limit that newbie - looks like he's doing God's work.
Locked, self-mod ANN thread because spam. Riiight
Locked, self-mod ANN thread because spam. Riiight
I wish I could self-moderate but I have never seen that option on creating a new topic. Can someone show me how to make a self-moderating post?
When creating the topic click "Additional Options...." and check the "Self-moderate" box
Ohhh It's at the bottom.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!!
Restricting newbies is something theymos wouldn't do, at least not again. And I quite agree with him on that because to some degree it's not only the newbie account spreading the said FUD, lies and disinformation on some sections of the forum, a percentage of every rank is also guilty of such offense.
So newbie jail is a big no,its either total abstinence of that section or self mod your thread.
So newbie jail is a big no,its either total abstinence of that section or self mod your thread.
Theymos is very unlikely to implement anything that is overly restrictive to newbies. All it does is punish/restrict genuine newbies whilst the determined trolls would just bare the obstacles and jump through whatever hoops you put in front of them. If you're having issues with newbies (or other users) it's best to self-moderate your threads and mod them however you see fit. I think there should be more self-moderate options though and I have suggested as such in the past and one feature where you could prohibit/bad certain users and even user groups from even posting in your threads.
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