Topic: Newbie But Not Beginner (Read 515 times)

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If you are not sure what falls under unsolicited PMs, then it is better to avoid sending PMs to unknown forum members completely.

Avoid pm? Is it wrong to send personal message to others? Please clarify

The simplest definition of Merit source is that, they are different user which forum global moderator select base on an application for support via a circulation, distribution of Merit to people who made a post that is worthy of emulation for different denominations of boards in the community, actually they are regular posters and reputable members who knows the norms and ethics of the community

Asking of Merit is prohibited, because Merit is been giving base on the development, contribution of user through a formative communication that brings innovation or educate another person, in the aspect of PM, a pm can be prohibited when you abuse it, via wrong communication.

Here is one @Blackviruse standing on the side of the newbies and speaking from direct observation and from his mind. I'm glad you did, really and it's more like a mum warning his or her child to be careful of wolves in sheep clothings, they are very vicious.

Well, most of the things you've pointed out are obviously true but to some extent, I disagree with you. Though we are at first anonymous here and you've got almost zero concerned users for their neighbors in the forum as we believe we all are sharing this one community, some have made a friendship with others ileven with that anonymity and others have taken it further to unmask themselves to some other users based on the trust and a bond that could develop from anywhere at any point in time especially in the local boards.

The forum users, we care for ourselves but we value the forum even more and so preserving it's integrity and decency is everyone's task and so, we ensure everyone keeps to the rules as much as possible. This is you @Blackvirus standing on the side of the newbies to show you care, there you got merited by a forum user to show he or she cares and understands your argument and so it goes so, lots of users, I inclusive have been known to grow through the ranks because of the other members who appreciates my contributions in the forum. So, the users of this forum do care very much for one another.

The forum thus offers second chances but it's very much based on the gravity of the offense committed against the forum and even at that, you've always got a chance to defend yourself. If it turns out that you were banned temporarily, you just might get an email to send an appeal mail to but if otherwise, you can still create an Alt solely for the purpose of appealing the ban as doing anything else with the Alt would be considered a ban evasion and that too is an offense.

Anyway, in all you do, it's best you keep to rules to maintain a stable community else, it all ends in chaos and so, the rules are stiffened.

How do you earn your merits if no one wants to give them to you? It's all connected. A post can can be highly merit-worthy, but it has received no or very few merits. It can also be a post that took little time to write and no real effort, but it received more merits then the one that is clearly better. There are no rules to measure quality. 

What is mine will always come with time Im not really here for the merit system rather I'm here to increase my Cryptocurrency knowledge and advocate for fairness and a better forum with no hate and grudge. In my culture a man who work hard to feed his children is much more better than the one who steal from others to feed his children. Merit is earned not given.

It is an online forum. You are supposed to be a ghost. We are not family or blood-related. You either share a love or appreciation of Bitcoin and the community greets you with open arms, or you attack and troll everywhere and the community doesn't. Which one do you want to be? 

God bless thymos the thermos!

Some merit sources don't distribute all their merits and theymos lowers their usual allocation. Others, who distribute more can have their allocation increased.

Spam and scam busters are useful to the forum. They are the first users who research all the crappy new projects that arise every day and sound the alarm for the community to see. This is not an easy task and it is not for everyone.

That is how things work here. Some users pay a hefty price for past mistakes. Others pay a little less. Sometimes it is sad to see good members go especially when you consider that others were allowed to stay. But there are no official rules here, just the admin's interpretation of those rules.

Why don't you just tell us what you know. If you have proof of something, you post it.

Although I appreciate good art and I am a football fan, how are the majority of such discussions valuable for a Bitcoin forum?

This is true. But not in relation to your art and football posts. If you are talking about merit sources, then a user shouldn't be a merit source if he can't or doesn't find posts worth meriting.

If you have proof for that, you should post it.

Because like I said before. It's a case-by-case decision. The admins make their choices based on their interpretations of what happened and who committed the offense. 

You have concluded that you can understand the forum in no time, indicating that you have experience in other forums but what you know on this forum is not what you think it is. Maybe at that time, you realized that you would position yourself in the newbie rank as a beginner in a new place.

Could be another alt of cryptohunter? KaneVWE?

I suppose that posting and repeating the same things that have been written a thousand times before, has a therapeutic effect for some, which I think is a nice side-effect of these boards.

Well, then let's see how all the rules are understood and learned. As your experience seems to come from the number of mistakes you have made. I have not met such an experienced newbie here who, in the fifth publication, expressed his opinion on the merit system and gave a short description of everyone whom he does not like.
Nevertheless, I like you because you do not ask for merit and say what you think. Sometimes it’s much better than looking very humble when you’re feeling hurt.

You talk with so much wisdom and understanding we are humans and we are bound to make mistakes or misjudge and we must adapt to anywhere we found ourselves the rules of the forum are boldly stated and we must obey it or perish we have no choice but I would suggest the use of bot I don't know if we have any on the forum

I am not going to say what the OP said was 100% true and I would not say that it was 100% wrong either. I will only think of it as a perspective that is known from experience, observation and so on. You are really not a newbie, because you have the ability to talk more than just that.

I am aware that all bitcointalk user are those who are governed by the system, and the rule that apply. The goal is to achieve the final target better as expected. No system is perfect and that is normal for all system because not everyone has the same perspective. The prevailing system doesn't work for us but we have to work under the system and this is called loyalty. When you and I can work well under a system, then we will be useful user with a lot of knowledge.

But one thing you have to realize here is that everyone involved in forums is human, and nobody is perfect and we all have our own egos. If you find something wrong with the system as well as the user running the system then use a reputation board for a much better answer and provide some concrete evidence that it is the wrong thing.

What a load of bullshit.Judging by the way you complain about double standards and plagiarism you probably got banned and now you spread some crap.If you really have some proof about merit sources selling merit,why don't you share it?You are newbie alt account so you dont have to worry about retaliation or getting tagged.

Bad way to fish  merit bro, try better next time.

Newbies, please spend time reading this post so that you will not be shocked when you created a violation unintentionally.

That's the problem when people are getting reported or doing something wrong in this forum, the common excuse that they are using is that they are not informed about the rules and regulations here in this forum. There's a lot of thread regarding that and this is one of the examples here, but still, they are lazy enough to read a lot of guides. These threads are the keys to help eliminate ignorance in this forum and help to keep your performance in making informative posts much better.

It is contradicting each other. A poster can not asses which post is good or bad to send or not send smerit to if that poster can not be able to make good posts. You can not assess post quality is good if you are shitposter. A bounty reporter can not understand a good post and can not verify quality of it.

A merit source does not need to be an active poster but must be a good poster before has a role as a merit source.

Merit source did distribute their smerit to those who are worthy to send to. They did not let the smerot decay by not sending it. Just so you know to become a merit source, you don't need to be a good poster and you will be selected as a merit source if you know what post should be merited and not just send merit here send merit there even if the post is not worthy to read or send merit at all.

it was obvious that this system would not be good, this forum has hundreds of members, but it has few SMerits, with this system, it practically condemns new members even if they stay for years on the forum and make a good post they will not up ranking... Is a failed system just like my country's failed democratic system. But unfortunately it's the system that we have that will never change, at least I don't expect to see any change someday


 

did you notice that too? so you are not even a Newbie


unfortunately this Is another bad side of the forum ... I agree that people should have second and third chances


4 years ago it was much worse than nowadays, the "political"  disputes to become DT or remove some DT were constant, look at the scam and reputation sections that you will understand, in the threads of the battles few or no Newbie dared to make any post. Today the battles are no longer about honor and politics to become DT or remove some DT, today it is about marketing to earn merits. 

Your knowledge is much more than it should be for a beginner. But again, what's stopping you from becoming a useful forum member? Your claims have some subtext. If there is a violation of the rules of the forum, and a person is banned, then he can file an appeal. And only moderators have the right to decide his future fate.
But admit that most of those who are banned on the forum are only concerned with personal problems. And that is, they publish obvious nonsense, bounty reports, spam, or plagiarism. Are they useful posters?
Therefore, while you have not yet inherited your past mistakes, pull yourself together, and start writing worthy posts, and by doing so, merit-sources will pay attention to you. Do not doubt.

Well said but I'm not against volunteer ghost workers doing the so-called cleaning job my only problem is injustice I'm advocating for equal justice cause I don't see a reason why for example two users committed the same offense one is permanently banned why the other gets a signature ban only. I wonder why and sometimes I feel we should allow thymos and his staffs to do their job they are professionals with a good reputation

Most of these Forum cleaners are not good posters so I wonder how they get merits because I know how merits works I have keen eyes

On the tone of Merit Sources, not all of them applied to become one though; some were appointed probably based on their reputation (this is a multidimensional concept) at the time, and a believe that they would constitute a decent enough Source.
Merit Source sMerit does not really decay, but rather it will not exceed a certain amount, which is variable per Source. It’s a bit tricky to understand, but the (very) basic idea is that if your bucket is full, you don’t get any more until it’s not full.

Merit Sources, surprisingly, are not bots, and have a live, and perhaps even a job to attend to. Therefore, their time of the forum is voluntary, and limited, subject to their real life day to day needs. This will lead to periods of time when they can be more active or less active, and may even cease their sMerit awarding activity. There are even streaks of day’s where some are not in a meriting mood, and others where they become exceedingly generous. Why they are not forcefully strapped to their keyboard, and given a periodic 220V discharge on their noble zone, until they empty their sMerit allowance, beats me.

Fortunately, the forum does oversee is someway their awarding habits, and every now and then, readjusts Merit Source’s sMerit allowance, increasing or decreasing it based on their awarding habits. Others may be appointed and some even removed. This is not a task that takes place frequently, but it does occur (not as often as even some Merit Sources would like).