Topic: Newbie Problems how to eliminate? (Read 361 times)
I think this why we have the "beginners and help" to help newbies like as spam as much as we want, but I don't want to do it since I have a teacher with me who guide me sometimes.
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our Forum will be a peaceful Forum for sure.
Our forum will almost turn back to its original one, a peaceful forum without spammers, farmers, cheaters.our Forum will be a peaceful Forum for sure.
Merit system will do it for us, for the forum.
However, I am not sure which kind of forum in its earlier period because I just joined the forum several months ago, but I heard lots of old members applauded about good quality, clean environment of the forum in its early phase.
Then how about this, with the current system this will be the addition that can be implied to yours,
Checking their IP ADDRESSES. If the network's IP was already used from registering then it won't be used anymore. Certain programmers can only work on many IPs so its impossible for them to use many addresses just to create a new one.
Although we implement this "If the network's IP was already used from registering then it won't be used anymore." people will still find a way to create new accounts for farming. They can use other devices to register new account or even use VPN to protect or hide their IPs.Checking their IP ADDRESSES. If the network's IP was already used from registering then it won't be used anymore. Certain programmers can only work on many IPs so its impossible for them to use many addresses just to create a new one.
Actually it is not prohibited to create account using the same IP address. If ever that a certain IP address has been already used to create a account, we will just need to pay a little fee so that we can be able to post using the new account created with the same IP. It is not prohibited to create account as many as you want (as there is no rule about it if I'm not mistaken), the main reason why Moderators restricts us is because we are abusing it too much.
We can freely create accounts if we'd like because it is for free, but because of some exploitative peoples, farmed account existed. Without these abuser peoples, our Forum will be a peaceful Forum for sure.
I'm already working on this and theymos said he would implement it. Far too many people are signing up and straight away are asking the same questions that have been asked and answered hundreds of times or braking the most basic of rules like spamming ref links and copy and pasting etc. At least there will be no excuses when this does happen.
Wanna bet?
I believe most of these "Newbies" are account farmers posing "safe posts" they think won't be deleted so they can rack up some easy spam replies. I've reported many of these types threads in the past and not much if anything was done, so they may be right in their assumption.
Hmm. Maybe we can think of some idea on how to prevent it too. But it will be very difficult.
I'm already working on this and theymos said he would implement it. Far too many people are signing up and straight away are asking the same questions that have been asked and answered hundreds of times or braking the most basic of rules like spamming ref links and copy and pasting etc. At least there will be no excuses when this does happen.
Then how about this, with the current system this will be the addition that can be implied to yours,
Checking their IP ADDRESSES. If the network's IP was already used from registering then it won't be used anymore. Certain programmers can only work on many IPs so its impossible for them to use many addresses just to create a new one.
Or how about we include a verifying bot with a certain need of valid IDs, this is still confidential though, only the staffs can review their infos.
Rather than redirect new users to a specific thread, I would go “the game way”: Redirect users to a multipage tutorial (not a questionnaire) which the must go through where forum objectives, rules and restrictions are clearly explained in a graphical & Textual easy to understand format. This would of course need to be language based.
That way, whatever comes later if they do not comply with forum rules would be of no surprise to them since they would not be able to claim ignorance.
From there on allow them to read all forums, but post only on the newcomer sections (local sections to be considered too) until a certain rank or amount of merit has been reached. Limit number of posts per new user/week too so as not to spam newbie forums.
That way, whatever comes later if they do not comply with forum rules would be of no surprise to them since they would not be able to claim ignorance.
From there on allow them to read all forums, but post only on the newcomer sections (local sections to be considered too) until a certain rank or amount of merit has been reached. Limit number of posts per new user/week too so as not to spam newbie forums.
how about a set of questions regarding rules/FAQS need to give a perfect answer before someone can make a post. if they incorrectly answer it they will be redirected to FAQS boards. after they answer it correctly I pretty sure they are knowledgeable enough
Sometimes it just doesn't make sense if who is worse the newbie asking a loop question or a veteran member pretending to be a newbie that straight to the lending section and fully equip to scam anyone in a magically ICO presentation. 
This spoon feeding will save someones time/money for a while but not permanently still good to have a nice set of hurdles so newbie is really going to learn unless neglect it otherwise.
This spoon feeding will save someones time/money for a while but not permanently still good to have a nice set of hurdles so newbie is really going to learn unless neglect it otherwise.
We had a "newbie jail" a while ago. Theymos got rid of it, I presume because it didn't really do anything. Or maybe he just didn't want to "restrict" new members. Either way a newbie jail just delays the inevitable IMO.
The other alternative is to moderate the beginners board. I visited it earlier to see if I could award some merits, and gave up. It is full of threads about Facebook, airdrops, bounties, sig programmes, merit, retweeting, ICO and IPOs. Haven't any new members heard about Bitcoin?
I think that restricting posting to a few newbie boards is a better solution.
Yeah, what a brilliant idea Mr. Now I remembered, I knew some Forums in internet where this is one is implemented. There are some discussions where Only established members can post/reply their suggestion and Newbie members is only allowed to read it. There is no reply button/link for Newbies. In short, Newbies are limited where they can post. Yeah, this sounds cool. Maybe this is the solution we were looking for in this entire time, to stop newbies from making spams. What do you think Mr. Jet Cash. This is actually your idea thats why I'm sure you will support this to be implemented. I will also support this one. Is our Admin is the only one who can do implementations in the Forum? I think we should tell Mr. Theymos about this or even to our Moderators. Or let me guess, did they already knew all about this?
But, in some ways. This idea still got its disadvantages. But we will find a solution for it too later on.
We had a "newbie jail" a while ago. Theymos got rid of it, I presume because it didn't really do anything. Or maybe he just didn't want to "restrict" new members. Either way a newbie jail just delays the inevitable IMO.
I think that restricting posting to a few newbie boards is a better solution.
Yeah, what a brilliant idea Mr. Now I remembered, I knew some Forums in internet where this is one is implemented. There are some discussions where Only established members can post/reply their suggestion and Newbie members is only allowed to read it. There is no reply button/link for Newbies. In short, Newbies are limited where they can post. Yeah, this sounds cool. Maybe this is the solution we were looking for in this entire time, to stop newbies from making spams. What do you think Mr. Jet Cash. Since this is your idea, I'm sure you will support this to be implemented. I will also support this one. Is our Admin is the only one who can do implementations in the Forum? I think we should tell Mr. Theymos about this or even to our Moderators. Or let me guess, did they already knew all about this?
But, in some ways. This idea still got its disadvantages. But we will find a solution for it too later on.
I think that restricting posting to a few newbie boards is a better solution.
I suggested the same thing a few days back. Didn't see any mod taking interest in that though. I thought the only way to stop, or at least lessen the thread-making-of-useless-questions is to restrict accounts from below Member rank to post in sections excluding one or two of them. Its effect can only be known if its implemented for even a short period of time on just one section as a test. I'm sure it will be more effective then we might think.
Any new account right after registration should get a PM or should be directed to a thread in which they can read the rules or any other information they need to know e.g Merit system etc. So that when they get banned for asking the questions that are already answered, they don't get to make the excuse of not knowing the things.
Well that sounds like a good idea in theory, but how many new members would read it? and what happens if they can't speak English.
Aren't new members supposed to read the terms and conditions, and confirm that they have read them before applying for membership. I bet that most can't be bothered. I think that restricting posting to a few newbie boards is a better solution. Maybe 10 merits to start a thread, and 5 merits to post on any boards other than newbie, meta and the language boards.
Please can we have a cryptic precis of the idea.
Any new account right after registration should get a PM or should be directed to a thread in which they can read the rules or any other information they need to know e.g Merit system etc. So that when they get banned for asking the questions that are already answered, they don't get to make the excuse of not knowing the things.
Please can we have a cryptic precis of the idea.
I like this idea very much Im also thinking about posting this before but Im too lazy to do so, thanks for making this thread. With this system newbies will be afraid to post anything that is worthless and they will be able to learn quickly all of the forum guides and rules.
About what KWH said, Youre right most of them are alts but I think theres nothing we can do about those coming farmer accounts but Im sure we can notice them eventually before they rank up to full member or earlier.
About what KWH said, Youre right most of them are alts but I think theres nothing we can do about those coming farmer accounts but Im sure we can notice them eventually before they rank up to full member or earlier.
-Its limitation is, It didn't include accounts that already been created
What if the message is sent to everyone upon implementation of this feature? This way, every account created in near past, not aware about the rules and other things, will get help as well. And, we also know that there are a lot of higher ranked users who do not know all the rules until now. So sending it to all at first will help them too.
Hmm. I'm really running at my full speed to think of some other ways to improve our Forum.
-Its limitation is, It didn't include accounts that already been created
What if the message is sent to everyone upon implementation of this feature? This way, every account created in near past, not aware about the rules and other things, will get help as well. And, we also know that there are a lot of higher ranked users who do not know all the rules until now. So sending it to all at first will help them too.
I'm mostly talking about the people who get caught doing stuff like copy and pasting and then come out with the excuses "I didn't know it was against the rules" or "other people are doing it etc". Spam or duplicate threads are usually trashed once spotted or reported but they seldom are reported and I'm only one person against literally thousands of spammers so it's a lot of time-consuming and tedious work.
"I didn't know it was against the rules"
because their reason is they didn't know the rules yet. Lets just see if they still complains if all of the rules were already shown after creating a new account. Farmed account or not they have to follow the rules as it was stated. Newbies who violate rules after creating an account with this proposal idea will leave Staffs with no choice but to permanent banned it. 
I'm already working on this and theymos said he would implement it. Far too many people are signing up and straight away are asking the same questions that have been asked and answered hundreds of times or braking the most basic of rules like spamming ref links and copy and pasting etc. At least there will be no excuses when this does happen.
Wanna bet?
I believe most of these "Newbies" are account farmers posing "safe posts" they think won't be deleted so they can rack up some easy spam replies. I've reported many of these types threads in the past and not much if anything was done, so they may be right in their assumption.
I'm mostly talking about the people who get caught doing stuff like copy and pasting and then come out with the excuses "I didn't know it was against the rules" or "other people are doing it etc". Spam or duplicate threads are usually trashed once spotted or reported but they seldom are reported and I'm only one person against literally thousands of spammers so it's a lot of time-consuming and tedious work.
I'm already working on this and theymos said he would implement it. Far too many people are signing up and straight away are asking the same questions that have been asked and answered hundreds of times or braking the most basic of rules like spamming ref links and copy and pasting etc. At least there will be no excuses when this does happen.
Wanna bet?
I believe most of these "Newbies" are account farmers posing "safe posts" they think won't be deleted so they can rack up some easy spam replies. I've reported many of these types threads in the past and not much if anything was done, so they may be right in their assumption.
Hmm. Maybe we can think of some idea on how to prevent it too. But it will be very difficult.
I'm already working on this and theymos said he would implement it. Far too many people are signing up and straight away are asking the same questions that have been asked and answered hundreds of times or braking the most basic of rules like spamming ref links and copy and pasting etc. At least there will be no excuses when this does happen.
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