Newbie question : Cloud mining - page 2.

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Quote from: ejinte on October 05, 2014, 05:55:50 PM

Quote from: odolvlobo on October 05, 2014, 04:41:28 PM

The issue is basically this: In order for you to profit from cloud mining, the miner has to give you more BTC than you gave him. In other words, you make money if the miner loses money. Cloud mining services are not going to stay in business very long if they have to lose money to keep their customers happy.

This is not really true. If you pay 10BTC for the service, the miner makes 20BTC and you get 15BTC back, both you and the company would've made 5BTC each.

If the miner would have made 20 btc then most likely they will not sell it for 10. I would like to see a senario where with fees and charges you make 2x on any cloud miner.

Hardware mining in hand still beats cloud mining in my opinion as long as you have no vat, and decent priced electricity.

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Quote from: ejinte on October 05, 2014, 05:55:50 PM

Quote from: odolvlobo on October 05, 2014, 04:41:28 PM

The issue is basically this: In order for you to profit from cloud mining, the miner has to give you more BTC than you gave him. In other words, you make money if the miner loses money. Cloud mining services are not going to stay in business very long if they have to lose money to keep their customers happy.

This is not really true. If you pay 10BTC for the service, the miner makes 20BTC and you get 15BTC back, both you and the company would've made 5BTC each.

In your scenario, the miner loses because he could have made 10 BTC if he didn't make the deal with you. The miner gave up 5 BTC and gained nothing.

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Quote from: ejinte on October 05, 2014, 05:55:50 PM

Quote from: odolvlobo on October 05, 2014, 04:41:28 PM

The issue is basically this: In order for you to profit from cloud mining, the miner has to give you more BTC than you gave him. In other words, you make money if the miner loses money. Cloud mining services are not going to stay in business very long if they have to lose money to keep their customers happy.

This is not really true. If you pay 10BTC for the service, the miner makes 20BTC and you get 15BTC back, both you and the company would've made 5BTC each.

The price of hashrate is made by miner according to his predict of the future hashrate growth rate. If you want to win profit, he must be wrong with the predict. He is right at most of all situation. because he know more in mining than you.

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Quote from: odolvlobo on October 05, 2014, 04:41:28 PM

The issue is basically this: In order for you to profit from cloud mining, the miner has to give you more BTC than you gave him. In other words, you make money if the miner loses money. Cloud mining services are not going to stay in business very long if they have to lose money to keep their customers happy.

This is not really true. If you pay 10BTC for the service, the miner makes 20BTC and you get 15BTC back, both you and the company would've made 5BTC each.

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The issue is basically this: In order for you to profit from cloud mining, the miner has to give you more BTC than you gave him. In other words, you make money if the miner loses money. Cloud mining services are not going to stay in business very long if they have to lose money to keep their customers happy.

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Quote from: ejinte on October 05, 2014, 03:26:26 PM

Best way to make money from bitcoins is to buy them and then forget about them for sometime. Good luck!

How do I know when to sell and where exactly do I sell ?

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Best way to make money from bitcoins is to buy them and then forget about them for sometime. Good luck!

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Quote from: slaveforanunnak1 on October 05, 2014, 02:25:40 PM

NO! Just NO! Mining days are over and so called "cloud mining" is just a scam to hook N00bs.
with the current prices, you will be WAY more profitable if you just buy BTC.

Quote from: Sheldor333 on October 05, 2014, 02:59:51 PM

Simple, don't do it.
Explanation: Do you think cloud companies would sell you their services for lets say 50$ a month if they can earn 60$ a month mining with those same equipment? Of course they would not.

Quote from: mnmShadyBTC on October 05, 2014, 02:55:26 PM

Cloud mining is generally overpriced and will not be profitable for customers. In order for you to profit from cloud mining the rate that difficulty increases will need to slow dramatically.

Thanks for all the replies. Going by what most of you have said here cloud mining isn't the way to go . So I would like to know what methods you would suggest for making profit through bitcoin. Would bitcoin trading (bitstamp) work ? I need some advise on what would be profitable.

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Simple, don't do it.
Explanation: Do you think cloud companies would sell you their services for lets say 50$ a month if they can earn 60$ a month mining with those same equipment? Of course they would not.

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Quote from: stan.stan on October 05, 2014, 02:22:05 PM

Hi Guys
Sorry if this seems like a silly thread , I am new to bitcoining and I would like to know a little bit more about mining / trading bitcoins. I have been reading some posts from fellow users here concerning cloud mining services. My question is this , How profitable is cloud mining and what is the minimum amount I could use to start mining / trading bitcoins , If possible I would also appreciate if you guys could suggest reliable cloud mining / trading services that I could use . I would really appreciate some response.
Thanks in advance

Cloud mining is generally overpriced and will not be profitable for customers. In order for you to profit from cloud mining the rate that difficulty increases will need to slow dramatically.

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You can make a profit on cex.io by buying GH/s and selling it. Much like trading. But just buying the GH/s won't be profitable at all as of the difficulty increasing.

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Honestly, cloud mining is not that profitable, at least with GAWMiners. However, if you were to purchase a 1600 share package on LTCGear, which would give you a hash rate of 160 MH/s for Scrypt mining either Litecoin or Feathercoin, you'll make about .05 BTC per day and ROI in about 2 months.

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If you want to get into crypto, go to circle.com/coinbase or localbitcoin and purchase some coin. Hold it and the price will surely go up.

Cloud mining is risky because you are trusting the hosting company completely. If they go belly up, so does all of your "virtual equipment". If you still want to proceed, I personally have had some good results with gawminers.com. Apparently, LTCGear has a much cheaper price/MH (about $5.30 vs 20.95 for gaw) but it is seen as a much sketchier company.

Again your best bet is to just buy some BTC and hold it

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NO! Just NO! Mining days are over and so called "cloud mining" is just a scam to hook N00bs.
with the current prices, you will be WAY more profitable if you just buy BTC.

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Hi Guys
Sorry if this seems like a silly thread , I am new to bitcoining and I would like to know a little bit more about mining / trading bitcoins. I have been reading some posts from fellow users here concerning cloud mining services. My question is this , How profitable is cloud mining and what is the minimum amount I could use to start mining / trading bitcoins , If possible I would also appreciate if you guys could suggest reliable cloud mining / trading services that I could use . I would really appreciate some response.
Thanks in advance

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