Topic: Newbies are not the only issue on Bitcointalk! - page 2. (Read 534 times)

If you mean the altcoin section of bitcointalk, I would disagree with you.  Those other sections I mentioned are just as bad as Altcoin Discussion.  I don't include the tokens or bounties sections in my assessment, as it's all spam there.

You say everyone is to blame for the shitposting situation, and I would argue that there's mostly a problem at the top.  There's a tolerance of this crap because it brings traffic and some people think that people spamming for signature campaigns is healthy to the crypto economy.  That's why OGNasty excluded me from his trust list--he thought I was somehow bullying noob shitposters.  So that's what you get when someone tries to do something about it.  If you recall in December and January, Meta was filled with people complaining about the tags actmyname and I were leaving for shitposters.  It's not as though we were standing around and accepting the deterioration of the forum.

My overly cynical take on newbies like OP who make suggestions about how the ranking system should be improved is that they're either 1) alt accounts looking for merits, or 2) just looking for merits.  Yes, I could be totally wrong but having seen so much of it since January, I've come to expect this sort of thing.  Before then, there weren't that many low-ranked members posting in Meta, since they were all too busy shitposting for their bounties.  Now that they need merits to rank up and earn more money, they've figured out where the merits are being given out (Meta is a big section if I'm not mistaken) and also which merit-source opinions to agree. 

If I've misjudged you, OP, try to understand where I'm coming from.  We'll see if your take on bitcointalk has changed in a year or so, if you're still around.

Man, every time one open a thread it is probably to have some bad quotes. This is a forum, so in here there are many minds, and confrontation is kind of normal. As long as you take it personal, you will suffer, and it is pointless, from my perspective.
I don't think you are a merit seeker, on the contrary, your posting behavior seems pretty healthy and honest to me, but this is just my opinion, and every one has the right of having one.
Regarding the answer you received, again, don't take it personal. As you said, you've been out for a while, and these kind of conversations have been the topic from the last couple of weeks, that's why it sounds redoundant.


Probably you've missed some of the pathetic attempts we have had recently of receiving merits by copy/pasting other's work, something really usual both in here and the beginner's board. Anyway, again, don't take it personal, this is just a bunch of opinions, and this is pointless to give too much attention to the negative ones.


No, is not. Sometimes I've done it by myself (not calling someone a noob, but yes, some of them are so desperate to get merits that it makes me feel uncomfortable with them).
I think the forum is now in a bad shape and, also, one can have a bad day. Sometimes I got lost in between so many crappy posts that, by the moment I quote one, I'm not in the best mood. Of course this my fault only, but, well, it is a social place, so this kind of things happens.

But, yes, I do feel that encouraging is far better than insulting, but you know, sometimes it is not possible.


Totally.

Hey i agree with the majority of what you've just posted to be fair

I don't dispute for one minute that newbies are the cause of a lot of the problems- hence my original post and solution that i suggested. I genuinely didnt know about the other guys post- that is a totally honest mistake.

Before May of this year i had never been on here on any account ever. The reason i try and give my point of view on here is so you can see it from a point of view that isn't maybe as 'cynical' as someone who has been here a long time. I try to offer perspective from a newer member as i feel that its vital people to understand general sentiment across the board.

I don't think there was any real malice in what you said and i am certainly not huffed or holding grudges, however, i'm trying to stipulate that by speaking to people in a certain way, could perhaps discourage people to post or participate in the future. That's the point of my post. There are MANY instances of this across the site and indeed i've been previously accused of looking for merit.   If people want to confuse my enthusiasm for something else then thats their problem i guess.  

They're veterans, not noobs. They've been spamming here for the past few months now to try and get some sort of merit.
I'm going to be honest and say, to me, almost everyone here is the cause of the problem. There are bystanders who do nothing about it, and people who actively spam that fill the boards.
Mostly altcoins are the issue, if we got rid of the altcoin section and moved it to a sister forum (altcointalk.org) we would probably see quite a reduction in spam.

What brought them here though, have we managed to work that out yet?

And we still don't get a separate section for merit so we can just ignore it...

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Calling out noobs and having an issue with them because they're starting later then the rest of us doesn't really sound like a healthy attitude does it?

Yeah, that was me.  Assuming you're not someone's alt account and haven't been here longer than it appears, you'll realize that noobs ARE the problem. 

Check out the Bitcoin Discussion, Altcoin Discussion, or Economics sections and see how many idiotic nonsense posts are being made, and take note of the rank of the members making them.

Check out how many merit threads are being made in Meta, usually by relatively new members.  These are veiled attempts to earn merit, because they think that if a merit source or an older member with merits to give agrees with them, they'll merit the post.

Sorry you took offense to what I said, but I stand by my "redundant" comment.  The first point in your thread was something hilariousandco had just suggested, which makes me think you either don't read or were basically paraphrasing what he wrote for your own benefit.  Maybe I've gotten too cynical here, but I suspect that if you're a member here long enough you'll get that way too.

Ok, this could be unpopular opinion but i'm speaking my mind here and i'm not out to cause trouble or start mud slinging here...but this NEEDS to be said!

As stated in the title Newbies are NOT the only problem here!

I posted last night here, as i usually do its quite long and detailed as thats how i write- i like to be thorough! Not to everyones taste, though other peoples writing style is not to mine either.

I hadn't been on here for well over a week and i can honestly hold my hand up and say that i had no idea a similar post to mine had been posted a few days before.

The response i got was and i quote: "These have been suggested before, and there was just a thread like two days ago with hilariousandco suggesting that there needs to be a merit requirement for the noob-->Jr. Member transition.  Therefore, this thread is redundant and, in addition, it's way too wordy.  Seems more like a merit-grab attempt than some actual concern from a member with 56 activity."

Now who said this is irrelevant, and i don't have a problem with them either, i'm merely using this as an example.

To me there are 4 totally unnecessary putdowns in this paragraph. Let me address them:

-Firstly it wasnt a "redundant" post, as there was additional info on there that wasn't covered (though i chose to lock the thread shortly after).
-It was classed as too wordy- well as i stated above i write the way i write and i can't please everyone- would you rather 'When Bitcoin moon' posts or someone who actually puts a little EFFORT into their posting behaviour?
- It was no "Merit grab" attempt, for what its worth i don't fish for Merit, if someone chooses to give it to me then thats their call, i'm really not bothered but can you honestly tell me why i would even need it when i don't even use the bounty section? Please don't assume you know me- you don't.
-Lastly the "actual concern from a member with 56 activity" REALLY? You bought Bitcoin before me so my opinion is irrelevant?  

The last statement to me implies utter contempt to 'newer' members and that anyone new here is of no importance. I'm sorry but i have as much right as anyone else to be here. Yes there are people who've been here longer than i and built this place to what it is, i just don't think it gives someone the right to be judge, jury and executioner just because you rank higher.

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I'm only using this as an example of MANY other negative and quite often vindictive behaviour toward other members.

Particularly in the newbie section, i have seen many people shot down when they've posted something quite useful, cited by senior members for having been posted before, its not relevant or its a merit attempt. You have to remember there are hundreds of newbies EVERY DAY on here that probably aren't going to scroll through dozens of pages, so is it relevant- for a newbie yes, yes of course it is!

While i am all for constructive criticism, i don't think this helps in ANY WAY shape or form, it only serves to dissuade members from posting anything else in future in fear of being vilified or singled out.

I'm probably seen in the eyes of some as causing trouble here, but you couldn't be further from the truth. Its an open forum and i think we have every right to speak our minds- good or bad. It needs to be looked at and senior members should be ambassadors for the site...not executioners.

And as you can see....i always make lengthy posts!  

I can see me getting shot down for this post.....C'est la vie.