Topic: Newbies, Bounties & spam. (Read 556 times)

The problim with those account is simple and can't be solved.
They are newbie accounts, wiht few posts and they change ETH address every campaing, is a nightmare to find the main account.

Also if we look at SuperRodrigoBR https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/superrodrigobr-2294456;sa=showPosts
we can find those address



... and going on, every single address do not exist on the eth's blokchain!

For this reason I guess they are bumping bots who bump the thread with fake datas.

Now, this my reports solved as a good report.

If you want to catch probably automated and  multi accounts, check here:

User: [email protected] and [email protected]
Obviously the same owner of both account.
There is a proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2363994.1200 Campaign finished six months ago, they still try to participate.
Also on this page users: Aleksandr Kolmogorov and SuperRodrigoBR

The corruption is in this being monetary itself. Something that involves management of so much money per week can be tempting for some managers. Even all the current existing good mangers will not be enough to handle sudden increase in demand of campaigns paying.

Yes, it's the posts with poor qualities should be eliminated.

Maybe requiring bounty managers to only have a limit of campaign participants upto what he/she or his/her team can manage to monitor closely. While participants will require to not leave until the campaign is closed, so everyone will still have a chance to join new campaigns.

Remember that if the messages you will find are posted in a limited period of time and that if they even have the same form (obviously not required by the bounty manager who only asks for reports via spreadsheet), most probably are bot and they are abusing with also multiaccount.
If you want post here accounts, if you find this pattern or even for DM and I will help you with the hunt.

Today I am reported few accounts who's posted weekly report even if the campaign manager did not ask for it from participants. I am waiting to see how it will be solved.

Eliminating posting requirements is not a good solution as it has a bad effect on the bounty campaign promotion itself, they might even be less bounty campaigns if that happens. What I see is to have a more disciplined bounty manager as not all managers are capable of moderating all the people that are accepted in their campaign, they act like once they are in all their job now is to see if their post count has met the requirements for that week. If we want to see less spam this managers must boot out the spammers in their campaign and they can do it by actively seeing who is posting well or not.

yahoo62278 and also Lauda are also using google forms in their campaigns.

for the participants? Well blacklisting their BTCT usernames together with their social media accounts and crypto address will hurt these kind of violators. It's like their totally banned.

How can you say? I can't think of a person making efforts and will not learn the lesson of following rules when not paid. Let's say they won't get it in the first time but eventually they will.

I was a bounty hunter too and was happy to see the reports went to google forms, that cut done on the spam.
The merit system did the rest.

Now we only have to find a solution for the random spammers. What is their incentive to still spam random threads? Getting more posts and get paid for bounties?
Then make sure newbies are never paid for signatures anymore, problem solved! Because of the merit system they never rank up. It takes away the incentive to spam imho.

What makes you think theymos cares much about traffic? Theymos recently said he thought about removing the ad slot here completely because it's too much of a hassle for him (which I think would be ridiculous to do), so I'm not sure if theymos cares too much about traffic or the Alexia rank because traffic is only really good for monetising the site. I always assumed that sig campaigns and bounties were only allowed to remain here because to get rid of them would probably kill off at least 80% of traffic. What he should care about though is the spam and usability of the forum, and I know that bothers him too, but he's the only one that can do anything about that and he needs to start implementing certain things and listening to the community on ways to combat it. We can still find a compromise without having to ban them or removing signatures completely but it's not going to happen without some help from him or permission to start dishing out punishments for the worst of campaigns.


As I said above, theymos recently mentioned getting rid of the only ad slot we have here so I'm not sure how much the forum being monetised efficiently or not is a concern to him. Theymos makes very little directly from this forum and an active mod makes more than him per month. Most ad revenue probably goes into the pot to pay mods (and we might actually be losing money on a monthly basis), but if theymos wanted to enrich himself personally or just the forum he could do so in a multitude of ways and many I have suggested myself (more ad slots, pay himself a reasonable wage and do admin duties full time, more donator ranks amongst other things). Regardless of whether theymos cares about ad revenue or traffic we should work together to make sure the forum is fit for purpose and he himself said this board shouldn't be a 'welfare system' for people but that's what it is right now so we need to find a compromise between people getting paid and what is and isn't acceptable to be paid for and punishments for people who do it the unacceptable way. If we let people get away with paying and being paid for spamming then they will continue to do it.

Why would the debate want their product advertised to strictly bounty hunters?
This forum presents it to real potential investors.
Although some hunters contribute to ICOs, it's just a mere handful.

And the idea that only newbies post crap, is absolutely wrong, it's the higher majority but some high ranking members also display limited knowledge on cryptocurrency.

This is sad.
I've seen a lot of bounties that requiring their participants to report through google form weekly instead of on the thread yet people still report on the thread.
I don't know if they're too lazy to read or just blindly following another person's post on that thread.

And no, they won't learn their lesson.
Some people won't get paid because they didn't follow bounty rules and when it's over they'll complaint about why they didn't get paid, then they'll do the same mistake in another bounties.
(I've seen several accounts that keep on doing the same mistake).

The saddest thing is that stupid mistake isn't only done by newbie (or bot) but by some full member as well.
Maybe they just bought that full member account so basically they're newbie, I don't know.

Edit:
Great project!
More power to the team.
I believe this project will succeed!
Good.

Lolololololol

It controlled the spammers and so called "bounty hunters" from ranking up. But it does not do much for spam. It is expected that these people who get blocked at the lower rank with zero merits would get frustrated or not being able to rank up and then leave the forum. That does make the forum clean but its better controlled if the number of mods working would be increased.

Its called Freedom of speech. But without regulation it ends up in a spamfest. While there are some good topics posted even on "Bitcoin Discussion" at times which are worth talking about, it get ruined in a few days with a hoard of newbie "Great, Project Sir" members vomiting out half-English posts to get their post count done.

I believe i already stated that on my post before, but i think i will repeat it again here. The punishment from managers side can be a denial on their payment because they do not follow the rules and it is crucial. The rules are clear and they can not protest to it. The power is not on their hands

While from forum side, it is easier to spot bots. Members and moderator can do faster in work like reporting, deleting, even up to permaban because sometimes alt-accounts or bot do some plagiarism job.

Some mangers already does this, they accept only reports submited from google modules BUT if you look at their bounty threads you will find a lot of people who will spam the thread regardless.
Maybe you're wondering: why do these people write their work despite not being accepted by managers?
The answer to this question has two possibilities:
1- they do not read the instructions, in my opinion someone unfortunately does not read and we can not do anything about this, they will not paid and they will learn the lesson.
2- Many of these people are BOTs, if you read carefully the answers with the reports in these threads you will notice the suspicious patterns between the various posts which indicates the clear use of alt accounts and more specifically bots for the various social activities (for example, more messages at exactly the same time on consecutive days, statistically very improbable) and to posts on the forum through the use of identical and unsolicited forms.

btcltcdigger is the only bounty manager I have seen so far when it comes Google form type of reporting in Social Media and Publishing Articles. I think in order to reduce the amount of spamming in bounties section, the use of Google Form when submitting bounty reports should be included in forum rules. Their report will be invalid if they do not report using google forms.

the problem is, what will be the punishment when they do not follow the rules?

Well the Google forms is definitely a step in the right direction, it means the member still has to come to the forum to fill the form, but bitcointalk dosen't have to host a bunch of pointless information as its essentially been outsourced to google forms. Plus the forum still keeps its web traffic using this method so seems like a win-win.

This should be mandatory across all bounties really, in an effort to tidy-up the forum.

Wow this is a great solution by now. Which manager made this innovation? It should be appreciated by all of us especially all of the bounty managers, because it is their job to control their "workers".

That is not a problem at all in my opinion. If you are the manager, then you are the one who made the rules, and the rules should be followed by all of your workers. No money for workers who do not follow the rules. Simple as that.

Some Bounty Managers already made a solution like issuing a weekly report form via google forms

But the problem is with the participants who doesn't read (or actually don't care with) the rules and still posting their reports. These kinds of participants should be disqualified immediately so they'll (if they're not a bot) learn to follow rules.

I don't think theymos' Laissez-faire policy is related to his pocket.


With this kind of approach, the community needs to act for themselves, for example reporting spam, joining spam report club, creating good tutorials for beginner, and with the help of merit system, this spam problem will eventually contained.

We just need one little nudge on the stricter rules for bounty managers.