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Topic: Newbies for FPGAs - page 2. (Read 2633 times)

legendary
Activity: 922
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January 10, 2012, 02:08:35 PM
#25
While FPGA may be the future GPU aren't dead yet.  To replace the 8.85 BTC I earn per day I would need ~55 ztex boards which even w/ discounted pricing runs ~$16,250

Exactly. Currently it is difficult, at best, to make a case for FPGAs in terms of economics. But that doesn't necessarily make them a bad choice for some. There are reasons other than economics ...
donator
Activity: 1218
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Gerald Davis
January 10, 2012, 01:24:29 PM
#24
I joined because I bought a ztex FPGA and it's the future of BTC. Now I mine 1 BTC per day for 8W, silent and without ecological regret! GPU miners that don't recognise FPGA mining are just bitter. They need one PC per 3-6 cards while FPGA is controlled via USB so you can have 127 FPGA's on one PC!!! Do the math on that and the electricity bill...

I know for a fact you don't get 1 BTC per day on 8W.
http://www.alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator.php

More like 0.16 BTC per day.

While FPGA may be the future GPU aren't dead yet.  To replace the 8.85 BTC I earn per day I would need ~55 ztex boards which even w/ discounted pricing runs ~$16,250
legendary
Activity: 922
Merit: 1003
January 10, 2012, 12:14:09 PM
#23
I joined because I bought a ztex FPGA and it's the future of BTC. Now I mine 1 BTC per day for 8W, silent and without ecological regret! GPU miners that don't recognise FPGA mining are just bitter. They need one PC per 3-6 cards while FPGA is controlled via USB so you can have 127 FPGA's on one PC!!! Do the math on that and the electricity bill...

How do you like your ztex? I general hear positive comments about them from forum members.

The good thing about FPGA's is their very low power consumption. However, their $/Mhash ratio is also very low. It is really hard to justify their purchase from an economic standpoint unless your electricity rate is very high. Generally speaking, a GPU will net a higher profit for your investment (even when taking into account electricity costs).

An FPGA will currently run you ~$500 for ~350Mhash/s. For that same $500 you can buy 3x 5870 GPUs providing 1200Mhash/s. Yes, the GPUs will be using a lot more electricity. But they will also be generating a lot more profit. And I haven't even brought up the issue of the additional PC you will need to control the FPGA ... but let's say that equates to the motherboard/PSU/RAM you would need to host the GPUs.

FPGA mining boards of today are much like today's gasoline-electric hybrid cars. While they are a very interesting and efficient alternative to traditional GPUs (gasoline cars), their high cost makes them economically unviable in most cases. Unless, again, your electricity costs are sky-high.

I think FPGAs are the future of mining, but that future is not quite here yet. There will always be the early adopters paving the way for them to become mainstream.
newbie
Activity: 5
Merit: 0
January 10, 2012, 11:36:03 AM
#22

If BTC dies then who will be buying your useless PCBs ?

Heresy! Bitcoin is special and magical and great and makes its own sauce. If you even allow for the possibility of anything else being true you are in the wrong place, go away bad person!
newbie
Activity: 7
Merit: 0
January 10, 2012, 08:50:13 AM
#21
FPGAs are not good for people like me with low electricity.

They are best for people paying like 0.3 USD / kilowatt hour etc.

ATM, I think I will stick to Radeons, thank you very much !

If BTC dies then who will be buying your useless PCBs ?
hero member
Activity: 725
Merit: 503
January 10, 2012, 08:26:06 AM
#20
I joined because I bought a ztex FPGA and it's the future of BTC. Now I mine 1 BTC per day week for 8W, silent and without ecological regret! GPU miners that don't recognise FPGA mining are just bitter. They need one PC per 3-6 cards while FPGA is controlled via USB so you can have 127 FPGA's on one PC!!! Do the math on that and the electricity bill...
full member
Activity: 202
Merit: 100
January 05, 2012, 07:30:27 PM
#19
Have you guys been looking at the Butterfly labs page in the mining forum? If they actually put out a product I will certainly be buying some.
full member
Activity: 546
Merit: 100
January 05, 2012, 09:14:22 AM
#18
I also joined for FPGAs Smiley Looks like there is a lot off interest
hero member
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Merit: 1000
Crypto Geek
January 05, 2012, 08:53:22 AM
#17
If we plug the figures from
http://cablesaurus.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=10&products_id=56
into
http://bitcoinx.com/profit/index.php

I get a minimum almost 6 year break even for UK prices and that's before the drop to 25 blocks this year (current price $5.7, 0.19elec, power 25w estimate beyond the 20w minimum, 250mhash). After the rate drop the calculator just says >10000, can't get it to work.

It's not economic yet but it will probably be the future as the cost comes down.
donator
Activity: 532
Merit: 501
We have cookies
January 03, 2012, 03:50:28 PM
#16
what is the average hash rate of these FPGA boards and at what wattage?
what is average price of an assembled board?
can once save a good deal of money if they knew how to solder? 
1. 350-380 MH/s per dual-chip Spartan6 board at ~20W.
2. $560
3. Not really a good deal because you'll lose lots of time for manufacturing the PCB and collecting all the components.
Also you should remember that soldering BGA chips is not a task for newbies.
newbie
Activity: 1
Merit: 0
January 03, 2012, 07:56:38 AM
#15
what is the average hash rate of these FPGA boards and at what wattage?

what is average price of an assembled board?

can once save a good deal of money if they knew how to solder? 
newbie
Activity: 7
Merit: 0
January 03, 2012, 05:36:33 AM
#14
Well FPGAs are very interesting im interested in any cheap affordable mining. If only FPGAs where cheaper i would invest in hundreds.
newbie
Activity: 29
Merit: 0
January 03, 2012, 01:59:19 AM
#13
Yeah... I keep seeing people showing theirs off, but I have yet to see someone selling a low-cost package.
newbie
Activity: 35
Merit: 0
January 03, 2012, 01:53:13 AM
#12
I am willing to buy a BFL unit if they are for real.
newbie
Activity: 18
Merit: 0
January 02, 2012, 11:39:03 PM
#11
+1 here... have a few FPGAs already and am just about to start soldering a new PS for them... just wish the FTDI chips support ARM and I could ditch the using PC's all together....
newbie
Activity: 29
Merit: 0
January 02, 2012, 06:58:57 AM
#10
+1 here too... $1/MH is not bad at all considering how much you would save on powering them...
full member
Activity: 126
Merit: 100
January 02, 2012, 12:41:06 AM
#9
Ive been researching fpga's due to the high cost of electricity... But the price to performance has been high...
sr. member
Activity: 265
Merit: 250
Football President
January 01, 2012, 02:32:31 AM
#8
does anyone know where to buy samples of
both pcb's
Ultra-Low-Cost DIY FPGA Miner - 175MH/s @ $1/MH
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ultra-low-cost-diy-fpga-miner-175mhs-1mh-44891

I don't have enought post to ask question on above forum
member
Activity: 80
Merit: 10
December 31, 2011, 03:09:48 AM
#7
+1 for me. I created this account just to research an FPGA miner I could also use for electronic hobby projects.

A.J.

same here Smiley
newbie
Activity: 33
Merit: 0
December 31, 2011, 12:20:59 AM
#6
@bluetrepidation I think JTAG is in the pinout of most (all?) microprocessors and FPGA's. JTAG is a debug port standard, different from USB which is general purpose. You can just buy a JTAG-USB adapter and live happily thereafter, though Smiley It wouldn't make sense to force one of these inside every PCB or IC; it would just take up space.

@nostromo429 there are FPGA kits with PCI and PCI-E connections, but these are only used when very large amounts of data need to flow between the FPGA and the PC. I think for Bitcoin mining, the USB speed would be plenty.
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