Topic: Newbies' sadness (Read 584 times)

I do have a question. As a Newbie. And PLEASE realize that I mean no offense at all. I merely want to understand and grow, as I suspect many other newbies do to.

I post what I consider to be well worded responses, that are on topic. Sure, I completing airdrops (which Bitcointalk allows on their forum), and so some of my responses are two liners rather than essays. And I do understand that I have a lot to learn still!

When my posts (eg. "This seems like a super interesting project. I shall definitely be supporting it!") get deleted, I do get annoyed at certain things:
1. The reason given is completely vague
2. It is easier to find a needle in a needle stack than get anyone to respond to why the post has actually been deleted. In fact, most moderators do not even accept messages from newbies. So what is their job then? Surely Newbies are the people that need the most help?
3. I see other people posting monosyllabic grunts and Bitcointalk seems absolutely fine with this? Surely as an established forum Bitcointalk should be taking issue with posts such as "Yes", "Great" and the like rather than picking on newbies who are actually trying to find their way and contribute meaningfully?

I truly mean no disrespect with this post. I would not be on the forum, or trying to work through what are clearly growing pains, if I did not want to be on here. I think this forum is valuable, and it has been around for  along time so clearly it is contributing meaningfully to the crypto community.

But these things do puzzle me. And I do not understand what the moderator role is. If a post has been deleted then this (hopefully) implies that a moderator has read it. So then surely one sentence of (non cut & paste) feedback as to why the post has been deleted will help Newbies to conform to the (often unclear) rules of the forum? Which would mean less newbie mistakes, and less work for the moderators?

I totally get it if a Newbie just keeps doing the same old thing despite feedback. But what about Newbies who are genuinely trying to learn? For example in my deleted post I commented that I found a project "super interesting", which I genuinely do. I went on to add that I would be supporting it, as I plan to buy tokens. I get that I am clearly violating some rule. But without feedback I will never know what it is, and so am likely to keep violating the same rule.

Please guys, I would really like constructive feedback on why the post was deleted? I certainly have no interest in repeating the same mistake and putting effort into posts that are just getting obliterated.

That is correct but its our duty to follow those rules dont get offended if they deleted your post because they have their reason for that to make the forum spam free

I think Yes , Create a useful and helpful post is such a big thing in cryptocurrency.We must contribute our ideas and learning to our post that we created.

And me as a Jr. Member,I pursue to have a good quality posts in my post so that some people reading my post are getting ideas on that topics.In that case,I know i can contribute my knowledge in cryptocurrency to other that want to deeply learning on it.

It's not that bad. Unless you have come here to earn money.

It is a dilemma that every newbie goes through. You are here to learn and advance yourself in cryptocurrency so take your mistakes and sadness as a lesson to help you become a perfect trader

 I also encounters this always, but my solution to this problem is to read the forum regulations and understand what are the common mistakes I made. Then I summarize it up and finalize a solution to solve the mistake I made.

I feel like every newbie goes through this stage and feeling. It is pretty difficult to understand at first and can be quite frustrating but if you start reading and keep yourself updated you will definitely start to get the hang of it and learn a lot more. It takes time to fully understand and start ranking up but once you get the hang of it, it isn't that difficult. So hold on tight newbies and start reading!

I agree with you,too.  Still I don't understand nearly words in this forum.
But there is no night that does not come in the morning.
Little by little...let's read further, and we'll understand cryptocurrency　one of these days♪

Newbies you should not feel sad if some of your post were deleted take it as a stepping stone to make  a better post and exert more effort so that next time they wont do the same.

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its very difficult to understand how to post how can overcome newbie.I also try to become ajr member

This is so true.. However, we must keep the fight and get to the top..

Is it an idea that a newbie can get a tutor if he/she wants?

I'm also new to this bitcointalk community, I'm trying to learn every day to become jr.member,
 

Yes, it's sad. Many worthy posts from newbie or Jr member are not judged on merit, whereas "useless" posts of permanent members of the forum are showered with merits. But do not despair, everything is ahead

Yes it's right I experience it as a newbie but i consider this as a challenge to enhance more my communication skills and to learned more in this forum.

This is what i fell right now. Earning cryto isn't easy. Sr's always says, you have to read a lot of discussion, rules, forums to educate yourself on how cryto works and to earn. I guess, in our position as a newbie, TIME is the most important factor to achieve what we are wanted to be. We need to read a lot of discussion here and we do need to understand it.

Well it takes time to achieve things in life just keep going and don't give up trials can't bring us down for as long as you have dedication, have faith in yourself and also fulfill your dreams that you want to be achieved in your life.

Thanks for your encouragement. I don't lose my passion at all , and am moving up to the Junior level, hopefully in a couple of days. That is not a big thing, but I think I'm going in the right direction.

I went to this stage as well. You just need to not be too emotional with the people around here. Just strive for the best and if you think you’re doing fine and following the rules, you just keep going till you rank up. I promise you, you won’t notice that you’re soon be ranking up by just being you and not thinking about old member here thinks.

mate  tbh it's very hard to able having bounty job for a newbie,would be great if you share something how to get bounty job fast for a newbie  hope your instruction will be helpful,thanks

you are not doing anything incorrect, everyone need to encounter the newbie stage before they can be involved to the community. True, it takes time, but do not lose your passion to invest more into this field

I don't think so......

For me newbies sadness is because we are only beginners we have a lot of things we should learn we need to study a lot of things about bitcoin. And Its takes a long time or if I'm not mistaken it maybe month before you rank up. And we're not really sure if we can rank up within a month.

Google for me is my number one companion for searching informatoon but we need to read all the forum rules of btctalk since that will be our guide to have a meaningful stay here.

It's a consolation indeed. Great and very helpful to hear from a senior member engaging in this thread.

I also felt what you feel,in my first days here in crypto i dont know what to do,all i know is read and understand then post until i have read a lot of comments and suggestions here and try to participate in bounty.

Another reason is higher ranks don't care what newbies do. It's quite normal to start as a clueless member until he/she learned new experiences just like the old members. I think that higher rank members should help/guide newbies. Not all newbies are fake some newbies just joined this community to learn about crypto world. Some higher ranks giving negative opinions which the person he/she point out will lose faith in theirselves.

At first we have to get enough info about crypto ans well as rules followed by the group,mos of the cases newbies start spamming here and there having no specific info,they are referred by other senior spammer who think it's the right way,so know yourself then start working 

I rely on google and coinmarketcap as well as wikipedia. And for here I just spend quality tine understanding the forum policies.

Everything has a process. Only by continuous efforts and continuous learning, we can become more aware of this circle and become better friends. So don't be sad. Come on!

Very well said mate, newbie members easily get offended when being bashed by old folks but they dint understand that the critism against them will be helpfull to them in the future.

People more advanced are always welcome to help noobs such as myself. Listening to people is sometimes helpful!

Yes, I agree with your opinion, even make a good post / quality is not necessarily a reward, I think this is a big sadness for me newbie to move to the top rank in the limit with merit rules .

not all members felt this. the early comers in this forum enjoyed great benefits. the one which is most important to level up your rank is "MERIT" which has no concept last year. and you can easily jumped to the new rank by the number of your activities only but now, its a big deal to get merits.

Many of us start here with a little knowledge only,newbie never feel bad because many of us experience also what you feel.Be positive and do what you can so that you will gain confidence and knowledge in the future.

Oh, I should keep reading and posting to expand my familiarity and fluency and maybe merits someday.

Hello! I am also new to this, I read so much of the post and the struggle is some of the terminologies  google has been my close friend lately 

Some of the sadness that is owned by newbie among them is:
1. Determining between post and activity,
2. Create a quality post,
3. Distinguish bounty scam or not.

What more can we do except depending on higher members for help even though we didn't get satisfactory help all time.

Every one has to start somewhere and everything begins from zero so same applies here as well. As one learns and grow same thing on this forum as well you will grow to different levels and become expert after some time and it is a journey which should be enjoyed the best.

yes you are right, i am also a newbie and don't know anything but trying my best....

Haha, there're always newbies like you and me in this community, just same as there must be many kids in this world.  


As far as I know, Merit is kind of rewarding point used in this forum for your quality content, and "you can get merit by making good posts and gift it to other when you think they made a good post." You and read more about it in this pinned article.

Meanwhile, Bounty is rewarding tokens offered by startups when you participate their marketing campaigns like: translation, social network, signature, etc. For further, you can find somewhere else in this forum. Maybe, I'll try to find some proper links for easy tracking from here.

Yes sometimes it is true as it is. But we as a newbie should be more clever in making quality posts so that seniors can provide benefits for us newbie. The key to success is patience and perseverance in living it

Newbies shouldn't be sad,because of lack of experience or knowledge in the field of cryptocurrency. All the big guys here, were once a newbie and needed to climb to where they are now. Instead of been sad, use it as learning experience.

There's nothing we can do anything about it all you have to do is improve your learning and writing skills and probly your communication skills. Everyone has some skill set and we should be knowledgeable enough to help others about Bitcoin. You can try reading different kind of story books and novels or even better learn about Bitcoin documentation you can try this link.http://lopp.net/bitcoin.html try to learn as much as you can and do not expect merits from anyone.those are just surprise gifts you will get them once you prove your skills.

There is nothing complicated about navigating this forum. All newbies, please read this pinned post as well as all the posts it links to. It should answer all your questions. Your posts will not be deleted, nor will your accounts be banned, without good reason as clearly spelled out in the rules. The rules are only unclear until you take the time to read them.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/newbies-read-before-posting-1689727

Its no doubt a daunting task for a newbie to grow through the bitcointalk ranks unhurt. It takes education, patience and dedication. It takes time and following basic rules. Most of all, not posting irrelevant things, especially one or two words posts. But with time and commitment, newbies will adapt as others.

I don't know much about the Merits and Bounties that many of you are talking about. I would think most Newbies are looking for answers and have no idea about the Merit and Bounty systems. The longer we're in the forum the more we will learn how to uses the rules. Because I do something wrong shouldn't mean that my post gets yanked or banned from the system. Admonishment from you senior members would be better received and I don't mean ridicule.
I have posted here and have as of yet, not received help on my question. What is the purpose of this forum? For the senior members to spout their supremacy and gather as "The Good Ole Boys" and embarrass the Newbie's?

Yes agree with you...

At the very top of this beginners and help section there is a pinned post by Lauda titled something like "Newbies, read first." That post contains all kinds of links to more extensive information on things you need to know like the rules of this forum, how to rank up and how to earn merit, not to mention some links to help you get started furthering your education about Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies.

I just read through that post again, and even though I've been here five years I learned some things. It's a great post for everyone to review at least once a year.

I have to wonder, based on the repeated questions, do any newbies actually read that post? If you haven't already, can you please, please, please, take the time to read and study it. It will help everyone, and might even cure your forum newbie blues.

I really do enjoy engaging with newbies. I'm excited about cryptocurrencies and eager to share my knowledge with people just getting started. I know I'm not alone in this.

However, I'm starting to get burned out on seeing the same parade of poorly written questions such as "How do I get merit?", "How can I get into a signature campaign as soon as possible?", "How much can I earn in bounties?", etc. Those questions and more are answered in the "Newbies, read first" thread or in one of the many links it contains.

It would be so much more fun to deal with intelligent follow up questions from people who have read up on the basics and are ready for the next step. If you can ask those questions, I'm sure you'll get as much discussion and engagement as you'll want from senior, hero, and legendary members.

Totally agree with you.

Carefully read the rules of the forum and there will be no problems on the forum.
But what about the merit, I agree, it is very difficult for beginners to get it, so there is no way to earn it.

You are right. Every new member in any community like bitcointalk all newbie members experienced sadness but that doesn't mean that newbie won't gain experience. Always thinking possible things will help newbies on their journey.

Thanks for all the information, this is really good for beginners like me. I hope this bitointalk forum can help the beginners. And for seniors are expected to continue to provide information.

Actually, this forum is created for helping each other and give innovative, encouraging information about cryptocurrency community to everyone. You should do research and follow the rules and regulation on this forum for avoiding deleted post.

Fear is There anymore for a newbie like me because it has experienced some post that have been deleted by moderator i hope to pass a safe level

Nice point! Such kind of little ignorance helps us to reduce the feeling of burden to please other guys, and to focus on main goal: learning. Confessedly, I apply that way of thinking whenever I find myself being stuck, both in groups and in daily life.

Ahha, everything is just relative. Newbies in a community may be veterans in other groups or even in real life. Why bother too much?

Just similar to the situation when a child is learning to walk while old men around have done and understood everything thoroughly since many decades before. We want and still have to grow no matter what, right? 

Hi friend, I feel the same feelings with you and most beginners unfortunately can not go on these terms because their enthusiasm is breaking. You want to write about a topic but it's written dozens of times before. it is very difficult to produce something new. but if you develop yourself in technical matters and in the field of information, you can also rise here. otherwise it is very likely that you will be a Jr member.

Rank is not everything.  Please be mindful that there are newbies on here who have bitcoins that are older than some of the members.  Don't assume that just because somebody has the rank of newbie or jr or whatever, that they don't have much to contribute.   

Yes very true,even me jr member rank but honestly,I don't know all the rules,but I tried to read and understand, especially speak English is hard for me but I try to express and observe:)

Yes it can be hard at first and it will take a while to rank up, few months but everyone goes through it so just stay active and keep posting.

I think the major problem for us, newbies on this platform is the fear of your account been banned and so in an attempt to provide good post, we sometimes by tension and fear, do things which are out of the rules. Again, mostly, as newbies in the world of cryptocurrencies and having heard about the good in it, we try to get to the top fast and hence post wroughly.  I think taking our time to learn will help us to overcome the fear and gradually climb to the top

some seniors answered my questions by showing the links to read. it feels like no chance to have conversation. well, this is not the place for friendly conversations. is it a feeling being treated as strangers. dunno.. I don't care. just gain knowledge as first step in this community.

I believe you've mentioned a feasible approach for novices. Staying focused and be not so hectic will help to avoid getting overwhelmed in such a broard subject like crypto currency, or blockchain technology in general. Afterall, most of us still have a fulltime job and family to take care, thus don't have much time to "bite them all at once".

Perhaps, paying attention on topic "Beginner and Helps" seems my good starting point. Isn't it?

The hostility being faced by newbies is just normal in every human society because you are expected to know how things happen in a community before trying to feel among. The reason why its on the high part is because most newbies didn't want to learn before earning. They just want to join based on what they have heard about the earning opportunities and blinded by that objective to take note of salient rules until they run into problem breaking one of the rules and by that time, ignorance won't be an excuse.

Another reason is the people who are morally deficient have used that rank to perpetuate unwholesome activities. You see someone create a new account to trade or sell something, exchange currencies, borrow loans with the objective of scamming. That makes people skeptical about the rank. Eventually, the problem won't go but if you distinct yourself, you will be noticed and for merits, it might be difficult but eventually you earn it if you are consistent of churning out quality posts.

As far as precious resources, so what? Isn't that why everyone is here? If we are treated as "strangers", we will be discouraged to take part. Juniors aren't appreciated, so even after I go through the pains of no graduating from being a newbie, I am still not good enough. Great. As far as merits go, how in the heck is someone going to get a merit if no one likes them because they're a newbie or Junior?

I don't have much to say about newbies complain about junior ignoring them. I just wanna say that I'll keep reading and posting to gain knowledge and perhaps merits.

^^ This.
And if, on top of that, you add the users that are farming accounts to re-sell them, the cheap signature campaigns that encourage for mass spamming instead of quality content ... That makes a considerable amount of accounts posting whatever shit goes through their mind just to increase the numbers in their profile.
I mean .. Come one ... :

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--3076073
(This thread is a shitposter free for all ...)
Look at that guy's post history : https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/richmeister-1538222

There's not much to do. Unfortunately, forum ranks apply to both type of users. However, merit doesn't.
I know it's not easy, but try to make stuff for the community. Not especially unique or remarquable things, but some cool and useful stuff is always appreciated.
Try to use your skills at their best. You must be good at something.

When I started learning about bitcoin back in 2014, I, too was overwhelmed with the information I was reading about it, up to the point that I kinda lost interest because I need to read a lot of things. However, the approach I did to learn all the stuff I know about is simple: churn down things slowly and do not bite them all at once. This will help you keep learning things without feeling any form of pressure, and will surely get you hooked up since you'll get interested on the ideology behind bitcoin and why it is one of the greatest tech innovations today.

Maybe I'm wrong, you as a Sr. Member read and commented on my post. Frankly, your word is hurtful but mostly true  .


Well, your encouraging comment really helps. If posts by senior member may be deleted, then it doesn't matter if my post in the same situation. Just keep our chin up and keep reading, learning, and posting more.

It is true to be a newbie is sad, because not knowing what in this bitcointalk world.
By reading and understanding what is being read in bitcointalk forums, I am sure newbie will know what is meant in this bitcointalk forum.

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I like to welcome newbies, but seriously.... Can you not think of a quick solution to not knowing the rules? Hint: There are pinned post in which these are written.

I can't but I agree with this.

As a newbie myself and for the short time I've been active here, I've followed bit of newbie posts and I can say a number of them are uninteresting even to me as a newbie.

I keep wondering, why is the recurrent complain about the ranking system, when in actual fact you don't even need any merit to get to a Jr. member; which allows you to participate in bounties, if that's your primary aim. But no! Newbies rather wants to become a Sr. Members overnight just for higher stakes. We have to understand that anything that'll last long successfully, don't come by accident. It takes time, effort, dedication and thorough planning.

For me, I'd say there are a whole lot of Sr. Members here who take notice of newbies posts and are willing to support newbies that they recognize to be showing potentials.

Well, at least that's been my own experience.

Everything has a process. Only by continuous efforts and continuous learning, we can become more aware of this circle and become better friends. So don't be sad. Come on!

I like this thread!
Actually, I had my first account being banned because of some misunderstanding with the rules. But the rules are there to follow, so...
I would suggest using this forum for fair and honest reasons: learning and helping others to learn! 

If you do so (or any newbie), you are fine !!!

If it is any consolation, I am a senior member here, but even my posts get deleted some times. I try not to dwell on it, but instead try to make better contributions the next time around. A good attitude, respect for others and a willingness to learn are key.

P.S. And don't forget, all legitimate members here had to start from scratch.

Another newbie wondering... Earlier I replied to a newbie and I guess the same message I have for you as well.


Welcome to the forum.

Always read before asking too many questions about the site including post got deleted and leads to why newbies got mad ,its because they do not know the rules.

I'm totally agree with you. I think newbie need time to learn more about forum, they can join to another discussion and gain activitiy. So they can share their knowledge after that.

To put it simply, your posts are getting deleted because it's useless or irrelevant. Simple as that.

You don't even need to have an account to read topics and gain information. What are you talking about?


It's simply because most junior members and newbies don't know shit and are here only for the bounties and nothing else. The only people that are complaining "sr members arent noticing our posts bla bla" are the ones who are complaining only because their posts are not good enough for merits.

Yes, it's difficult at the start but I believe with time one will overcome the challenges,  it can take months.

Yes, I agree with you. But as in any business, it is impossible to learn something new, and often difficult, just reading something yourself. Why else are we all here? Isn't it to learn something new from each other? And sometimes understanding and patience

I also go through this stage, the only way to pass is to read a lot, learn a lot. It is important for novices to read the rules of the forum to avoid deleting your posts or even locking your account. Here is my post about the code on Bitcointalk forum, please refer to here. Hope it will help you
Have a nice day

There's alway some sad feeling going with newbies in any community, including this forum.

Firstly, newbies do not understand all neccesary regulations, thus may easily get hurt when their posts are deleted due to not conforming to rules. Secondly, newcomers are seen and sometimes treated as strangers who trying to get some precious resources from the cummunity. Thirdly, posts by juniors are probably not appreciated and usually passed by senior members (i.e. newbies writing just for other newbies reading, mostly). Forthly, trying to write good posts but not hoping much to get merits as mentioning in another thread obviously another discouraging thought to new members.

Anyway, I think that's quite normal, because all members have experienced such feelings when they just joined this forum. The only matter is how they manage to pass such little akward moments.

What're my solutions? Well, just follows common instruction: reading more, learning much, and trying to contribute useful posts within my current knowlege about cryptocurrency world, as much as I can.

How about you, new guys? Any better ideas?