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legendary
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July 15, 2022, 12:12:21 PM
#36
But why use 2 power supplies? Is there not enough power in the server power supply or is there no adapter to power the motherboard?
The 500-700w ATX unit is only good for 1-2 video cards, but the rig has 8-10 cards, so obviously more power is required. If I had a 10x RTX 3060 rig, it needs 2000w total. The ATX supply will cover 500w, so I need 1500w extra, which can be covered by two HP-DPS750RB supplies. Or I could have an 8-card rig and use a single HP-DPS1200FB supply. I like to have enough wattage to cover the full TDP of the cards.

With 8x RTX 3080 Ti video cards (2800w) a single DPS1200 won't be enough. I will need two of them, with the remaining 400w being covered by the ATX unit.

Why not a 1600w ATX supply or even a 1200w one? Because they are double the price-per-watt of the server units. An EVGA 1600 P2 will cost $220 which is 13.8 cents/W. But a HP DPS-1200FB+breakout board+12v cables costs just $70 --> 5.8 cents/W.
A cheap power supply is not suitable for video cards. It can be used to power the motherboard and hard drive. I do not build a mining farm with a consumption of 2-3 kilowatts. It is better to make 2 mining farms with a server power supply of 1200-1600 watts. Maybe it will be more expensive by $ 100, but it will be more reliable.

Who makes chinese asics PSU?..asics are expensive and they rely on those PSUs, maybe there are good chinese PSU out there.
It seems to me that it is more profitable to buy a proven server power supply

I do not build a mining farm with a consumption of 2-3 kilowatts. It is better to make 2 mining farms with a server power supply of 1200-1600 watts. Maybe it will be more expensive by $ 100, but it will be more reliable.
I have had no problems building mining rigs with two or even three power supplies. As long as the video cards are the exact same model and power sources are not mixed, the uptime has been close to 99%. I have had success with this method since 2017.

A cheap power supply is not suitable for video cards. It can be used to power the motherboard and hard drive.
The EVGA 500GD is more than reliable enough with enough power for a single RTX 3080 Ti as well as the system components. It has 4.4 stars on Newegg. Why not make use of that capacity?
Many miners built their farms with two 850 watt power supplies in 2015. I don't install many graphics cards in my mining farm due to cooling issues, because they heat each other up. I don't have 1 meter raisers Smiley
full member
Activity: 182
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July 14, 2022, 03:07:36 PM
#35
I do not build a mining farm with a consumption of 2-3 kilowatts. It is better to make 2 mining farms with a server power supply of 1200-1600 watts. Maybe it will be more expensive by $ 100, but it will be more reliable.
I have had no problems building mining rigs with two or even three power supplies. As long as the video cards are the exact same model and power sources are not mixed, the uptime has been close to 99%. I have had success with this method since 2017.

A cheap power supply is not suitable for video cards. It can be used to power the motherboard and hard drive.
The EVGA 500GD is more than reliable enough with enough power for a single RTX 3080 Ti as well as the system components. It has 4.4 stars on Newegg. Why not make use of that capacity?
legendary
Activity: 3444
Merit: 1061
July 14, 2022, 10:25:48 AM
#34
But why use 2 power supplies? Is there not enough power in the server power supply or is there no adapter to power the motherboard?
The 500-700w ATX unit is only good for 1-2 video cards, but the rig has 8-10 cards, so obviously more power is required. If I had a 10x RTX 3060 rig, it needs 2000w total. The ATX supply will cover 500w, so I need 1500w extra, which can be covered by two HP-DPS750RB supplies. Or I could have an 8-card rig and use a single HP-DPS1200FB supply. I like to have enough wattage to cover the full TDP of the cards.

With 8x RTX 3080 Ti video cards (2800w) a single DPS1200 won't be enough. I will need two of them, with the remaining 400w being covered by the ATX unit.

Why not a 1600w ATX supply or even a 1200w one? Because they are double the price-per-watt of the server units. An EVGA 1600 P2 will cost $220 which is 13.8 cents/W. But a HP DPS-1200FB+breakout board+12v cables costs just $70 --> 5.8 cents/W.
A cheap power supply is not suitable for video cards. It can be used to power the motherboard and hard drive. I do not build a mining farm with a consumption of 2-3 kilowatts. It is better to make 2 mining farms with a server power supply of 1200-1600 watts. Maybe it will be more expensive by $ 100, but it will be more reliable.

Who makes chinese asics PSU?..asics are expensive and they rely on those PSUs, maybe there are good chinese PSU out there.
legendary
Activity: 1834
Merit: 1131
July 14, 2022, 10:08:50 AM
#33
But why use 2 power supplies? Is there not enough power in the server power supply or is there no adapter to power the motherboard?
The 500-700w ATX unit is only good for 1-2 video cards, but the rig has 8-10 cards, so obviously more power is required. If I had a 10x RTX 3060 rig, it needs 2000w total. The ATX supply will cover 500w, so I need 1500w extra, which can be covered by two HP-DPS750RB supplies. Or I could have an 8-card rig and use a single HP-DPS1200FB supply. I like to have enough wattage to cover the full TDP of the cards.

With 8x RTX 3080 Ti video cards (2800w) a single DPS1200 won't be enough. I will need two of them, with the remaining 400w being covered by the ATX unit.

Why not a 1600w ATX supply or even a 1200w one? Because they are double the price-per-watt of the server units. An EVGA 1600 P2 will cost $220 which is 13.8 cents/W. But a HP DPS-1200FB+breakout board+12v cables costs just $70 --> 5.8 cents/W.
A cheap power supply is not suitable for video cards. It can be used to power the motherboard and hard drive. I do not build a mining farm with a consumption of 2-3 kilowatts. It is better to make 2 mining farms with a server power supply of 1200-1600 watts. Maybe it will be more expensive by $ 100, but it will be more reliable.
legendary
Activity: 3444
Merit: 1061
July 13, 2022, 11:38:05 PM
#32
maybe i'll try some chinese 2000w ATX PSU in the near future, got some old cards to spare hehe
full member
Activity: 182
Merit: 152
July 13, 2022, 09:17:00 PM
#31
But why use 2 power supplies? Is there not enough power in the server power supply or is there no adapter to power the motherboard?
The 500-700w ATX unit is only good for 1-2 video cards, but the rig has 8-10 cards, so obviously more power is required. If I had a 10x RTX 3060 rig, it needs 2000w total. The ATX supply will cover 500w, so I need 1500w extra, which can be covered by two HP-DPS750RB supplies. Or I could have an 8-card rig and use a single HP-DPS1200FB supply. I like to have enough wattage to cover the full TDP of the cards.

With 8x RTX 3080 Ti video cards (2800w) a single DPS1200 won't be enough. I will need two of them, with the remaining 400w being covered by the ATX unit.

Why not a 1600w ATX supply or even a 1200w one? Because they are double the price-per-watt of the server units. An EVGA 1600 P2 will cost $220 which is 13.8 cents/W. But a HP DPS-1200FB+breakout board+12v cables costs just $70 --> 5.8 cents/W.
legendary
Activity: 1834
Merit: 1131
July 13, 2022, 03:13:37 PM
#30
And why use 500-700w ATX for the motherboard, if an inexpensive, good quality power supply of 300-400 watts is enough, and connect the rest of the video cards to the server power supply?
Or does your server PSU not have enough power?
Because it only costs $10-15 more to get a 600w ATX supply than a 400w unit. That is a price of 15-20 watts/$ which is excellent.
I agree with you that modern computers use 500-700 watt power supplies and are easier to sell later.
But why use 2 power supplies? Is there not enough power in the server power supply or is there no adapter to power the motherboard?
This adapter costs less than a second power supply.
full member
Activity: 182
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July 10, 2022, 03:12:03 PM
#29
And why use 500-700w ATX for the motherboard, if an inexpensive, good quality power supply of 300-400 watts is enough, and connect the rest of the video cards to the server power supply?
Or does your server PSU not have enough power?
Because it only costs $10-15 more to get a 600w ATX supply than a 400w unit. That is a price of 15-20 watts/$ which is excellent.
legendary
Activity: 1834
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July 10, 2022, 11:24:24 AM
#28
It has to be one motherboard that can put at least 2 power supplies, yeah I know that you can do a diy here but for maximum safety, is better done internally. A great motherboard is the asus b250 mining expert, you can put 3 psus and up to 13 gpus without issues.
I have had bad experiences with the B250 Mining Expert back in 2017/2018.

I like using a 500-700w ATX power supply for the MOBO + 1 or 2 video cards, then HP server power supplies for the remaining video cards. That is the cheapest combination while still having Gold/Platinum efficiency.
And why use 500-700w ATX for the motherboard, if an inexpensive, good quality power supply of 300-400 watts is enough, and connect the rest of the video cards to the server power supply?
Or does your server PSU not have enough power?
sr. member
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Xtreme Monster
July 09, 2022, 03:51:27 PM
#27
I have had bad experiences with the B250 Mining Expert back in 2017/2018.

I like using a 500-700w ATX power supply for the MOBO + 1 or 2 video cards, then HP server power supplies for the remaining video cards. That is the cheapest combination while still having Gold/Platinum efficiency.

The 850w was the best price performance, not sure now. The asus b250 mining expert used to be 30 usd before this last bullrun 2021, not sure even if they make them anymore, last I heard, it was discontinued, last I saw, that motherboard got as high as 1k in 2021, insane, people paid that much for it, more money than sense I guess.
full member
Activity: 182
Merit: 152
July 09, 2022, 03:09:03 PM
#26
It has to be one motherboard that can put at least 2 power supplies, yeah I know that you can do a diy here but for maximum safety, is better done internally. A great motherboard is the asus b250 mining expert, you can put 3 psus and up to 13 gpus without issues.
I have had bad experiences with the B250 Mining Expert back in 2017/2018.

I like using a 500-700w ATX power supply for the MOBO + 1 or 2 video cards, then HP server power supplies for the remaining video cards. That is the cheapest combination while still having Gold/Platinum efficiency.
sr. member
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Xtreme Monster
July 09, 2022, 01:07:41 PM
#25

Hey everyone, I'm looking for recommendations for GPU risers to buy that are good quality, even if they are a little more expensive.

Thanks!

Look for the v10 with 8 capacitors, they are pretty good. I would recommend this one https://www.amazon.com/Ziyituod-Express-Graphics-Extension-Ethereum/dp/B09FRZM4ZH/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1CN8S3DQ4SB0U&keywords=riser+v10&qid=1657390024&sprefix=riser+v10%2Caps%2C234&sr=8-3

Good luck.
newbie
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July 09, 2022, 12:40:29 PM
#24

Hey everyone, I'm looking for recommendations for GPU risers to buy that are good quality, even if they are a little more expensive.

I don't trust GPU risers right now. I bought 2 on Amazon and ended up having to RMA 3 cards because one of them kept breaking them somehow. To the point where the cards would not even register in the system when directly connected. And yes they were powered correctly using extra pcie power connectors and not split at all. Still not sure which one it is so I'm not using either one. I don't want to risk another card to confirm.

Instead I bought a pcie ribbon cable to use which, after extensive testing, I'm pretty sure is causing a lot of instability in my system. My old ribbon cable works like a champ, but if the new one is in use, my system crashes randomly within a few minutes of booting.

All of this to say.... I'm down to one card on my primary mining system because that's the only riser/cable that I have which works at the moment.

I'm desperate for any good recommendations at this point. Id rather not have to use ribbon cables if I don't have to.

Are there any known good / trusted ones to buy? Or is it just a total crapshoot and I should just buy a bunch find a few that work and return the rest?

Thanks!









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sr. member
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Xtreme Monster
July 09, 2022, 12:34:40 PM
#23
Did you use this motherboard yourself?

It looks like a good deal at US$60 including shipping, but I found one that supports 12 GPU's for $90. However, it doesn't include a CPU, which will cost $30.

So I have to choose between $60 for 8 GPUs (30 day wait) or $120 for 12 GPUs (5 day wait).

I'm leaning toward the 8GPU MOBO because less cards probably means more stability.

It has to be one motherboard that can put at least 2 power supplies, yeah I know that you can do a diy here but for maximum safety, is better done internally. A great motherboard is the asus b250 mining expert, you can put 3 psus and up to 13 gpus without issues.
legendary
Activity: 1834
Merit: 1131
July 08, 2022, 02:06:16 PM
#22
https://aliexpress.ru/item/1005003911721041.html?
For $50 you can buy a motherboard for 8 video cards, a processor and a cooling system for the processor, and your device costs $30. Goods from China can take 45 days, but if you order in advance, then this is a good and proven motherboard.
Did you use this motherboard yourself?

It looks like a good deal at US$60 including shipping, but I found one that supports 12 GPU's for $90. However, it doesn't include a CPU, which will cost $30.

So I have to choose between $60 for 8 GPUs (30 day wait) or $120 for 12 GPUs (5 day wait).

I'm leaning toward the 8GPU MOBO because less cards probably means more stability.
I have other motherboards of earlier versions. I watched good reviews about this motherboard, it works fine without complex BIOS settings and the price is very attractive. And it is suitable for beginners who do not properly connect raisers to the motherboard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INGXTu5codI
full member
Activity: 182
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July 08, 2022, 11:12:04 AM
#21
https://aliexpress.ru/item/1005003911721041.html?
For $50 you can buy a motherboard for 8 video cards, a processor and a cooling system for the processor, and your device costs $30. Goods from China can take 45 days, but if you order in advance, then this is a good and proven motherboard.
Did you use this motherboard yourself?

It looks like a good deal at US$60 including shipping, but I found one that supports 12 GPU's for $90. However, it doesn't include a CPU, which will cost $30.

So I have to choose between $60 for 8 GPUs (30 day wait) or $120 for 12 GPUs (5 day wait).

I'm leaning toward the 8GPU MOBO because less cards probably means more stability.
legendary
Activity: 1078
Merit: 1011
July 08, 2022, 04:45:00 AM
#20
Yeah, those new risers definitely look better in quality (both in components and soldering) than some of the older ones.

Assuming those capacitors are in parallel, each one would share a portion of the current, thus making it easier on each individual capacitor. By the grouping it would appear they are in three banks, protecting three different sections of the circuit board, but without actually looking at one its hard to tell from just the picture. Assuming the the capacitor quality is equal or better than previous generations of these risers, I would think it would be a more reliable design and thus reduce the chance of shorting.

I also have never lost a GPU due to a riser going bad. I have had my share of bad risers, but never one causing any direct harm to the attached GPU or MB. In any case, the better quality on these new risers is much appreciated to help protect the newer more expensive GPUs.
legendary
Activity: 1834
Merit: 1131
July 02, 2022, 10:07:59 AM
#19
You guys should look at the new M.2 PCIE 4x USB adapters.

M.2 -> 4x PCIEx1 with usb cables. You can stop using those PCIE X1 things and connect to M.2 slots with USB directly. No mishaps or mistakes any more.

Not bought one myself but looking to try them out if they have better availability. Not seen too many sellers but some in China that take their time to ship.

Here a example:

BEYIMEI M.2 NVME to 4 Ports PCI-E 1X USB 3.0 Riser Card, M.2 B-Key PCI-E Interface for Bitcoin Miner Ethereum Mining
https://www.amazon.com/BEYIMEI-M-2-Interface-Bitcoin-Ethereum/dp/B09YHDPSC8/

https://aliexpress.ru/item/1005003911721041.html?
For $50 you can buy a motherboard for 8 video cards, a processor and a cooling system for the processor, and your device costs $30. Goods from China can take 45 days, but if you order in advance, then this is a good and proven motherboard.
jr. member
Activity: 133
Merit: 5
July 02, 2022, 05:15:52 AM
#18
You guys should look at the new M.2 PCIE 4x USB adapters.

M.2 -> 4x PCIEx1 with usb cables. You can stop using those PCIE X1 things and connect to M.2 slots with USB directly. No mishaps or mistakes any more.

Not bought one myself but looking to try them out if they have better availability. Not seen too many sellers but some in China that take their time to ship.

Here a example:

BEYIMEI M.2 NVME to 4 Ports PCI-E 1X USB 3.0 Riser Card, M.2 B-Key PCI-E Interface for Bitcoin Miner Ethereum Mining
https://www.amazon.com/BEYIMEI-M-2-Interface-Bitcoin-Ethereum/dp/B09YHDPSC8/
legendary
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Merit: 1723
July 01, 2022, 11:50:18 PM
#17
Yeah they were introduced at the end of the 2014 bull run pretty much. At that time I saw them and they looked interesting but didn’t want to upgrade my entire farm since every month my profits were halved from mining.

When ETH was profitable I started to use them for the first time. They are nice because you can separate the GPU further and keep from running hot. With ribbon risers it was tough, especially with 6 GPUs in a setup.
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