Topic: NitroDice.com - Welcome to the new era of DICE GAMING! - page 2. (Read 1153 times)

We don't understand the problem. Why are you denouncing our service as a scam?
We have checked bets, and you have simply lost your doge using a bad strategy.

Thank you for compliments, Chrille55.
For what concerns bankroll, we keep most of the funds in cold wallet or collateral investments. This two wallets will always keep the same share, as such, in time, it'll be possible to reach the maximum bet, but, at the moment, as Real14Hero said:
It's better to be safe than to be sorry.
We want to guarantee all our customers' wins.

We have deleted testing users from db. As you suggested, there are better ways to test the system and we have created a new workspace. Now all bets are made by human users and your gaming experience is not modified in any way. We probably made a mistake thinking it wouldn't affect gaming experience, and we are sorry for this. We have insert test users as a standard programming procedure and we would like to point out that we did it in good faith: we have first of all, admitted the existence of test users, and now we have worked several days on code and db to clear up any doubts. So we are sorry for mistake, and we are proud to communicate that the problem is solved.

It's scammer.. this's game is not seed or fair!!

Fu*king dice site... dont watse money for this!
https://nitrodice.com/bets/646090
Im lose 9271.3347272 doge by that sh*t seed!

A couple of things to add;

a good pickup with the dicebot not matching bet ids and all being odd, but upon using dicebot on the site yourself you will see it does the exact same thing anyway. Saying this, i know from my location my latency to there hosting company i get about 300ms, but bets are slow as (less than 1 a second). Also considering between each of my slow bets there is just 5 or so getting made from other people. if the rent a server is (hot) thought there'd be at least one user with the service?

Simple site design to me could bring hope its someone outside of the bitcoin dice ring design and having a crack at there own thing; also bringing hope they aren't aware of screwing over idiots like myself that used to believe in the "probably not fucking fair" algorithm bullshit that is nearly as good as calling slot machines random..

Yet in saying all this, yeah there ain't a real amount of things that would help promote this site being all that safe in depositing your life savings on, just adding this incase being legit is on the cards - best of luck and make people have a reason too then.  The fake whale bets are also of course another bad start; yet some 'reputable' dice sites still are doing this that people seem oblivious to, because they have this "reputation" so why would anyone think otherwise?

This looks like promising. I mean the features and the software behind it seems like it worths a look but I would suggest you hire a designer.

Your design looks not so good compared to many competitors who have less quality software for their websites. It looks like it was made by software developers who just know how to code well but have no design understand at all. It is a two man job, (well many man job really but we can say two "team job") developer AND designer, you can have as many killer features as you want and it won't be enough unless its good looking too.

Not all sites are able to provide big bankroll, I'm not surprised if they cant provide big bankroll as their UI looks like a cheap design as well. Surprisingly there are still some active users playing with not small bet amount (up to 0.009btc). Are they real users or just testing users like OP said previously?

By the way where is admin? He is not active again after the "good" finding by DarkStar?

There might be possibility that the bankroll is not huge enough to pay thousands of dollars won.
Or I believe its a fine strategy to limit the maximum betting to something low during the initial stages of the website so that if there is a glitch, it won't be abused much and will safegaurd the house. Its better to be safe than to be sorry

Have played on your site and i really like your design and I have no problems depositing and withdrawing funds.

However a maximum bet of 10.000 (30-40$) DOGE is way too low and must be changed if you want more customers to your site. It is way too low for me and I have withdrawn my funds. Once you change this I will definaey come back and gamble on your site

Even myself didnt able to notice those bets which are actually fake or shady if you do really analyze it carefully.I agree on what Darkstar said that even how famous a gambling site is, those kind of whale bets are not common or lets say its just totally a rare scenario to happen in to a particular site specially this one just launched recently.Faking out volumes might not really be big deal for some gamblers but i believe on most cases this will lose integrity of the site due to such behavior.

very nice catch,Darkstar,was pretty sure the new site like that would never get this much betting volume
you prooved it to me,lets wait for the owner to come and try to refute
I'm more than sure that there are less real players there,who would bother to rent a VPS to be able to bet if any reasonable whale would simply
go and deposit to a trusted site with proven bankroll (like Primedice,Yolodice,Bitsler,Betking etc. etc.)

Hi, I can request a withdraw, but it never gets sent, please solve

I think Darkstar explanation has brought a lot of issues that many of us would have missed, the stats are good and honestly darkstar there was no need to put your investments out, as there's no need to clarify your integrity. Faking volumes is the worst idea, if you're afraid of low traffic you could keep contests, signature campaigns, but do legit stuff, once your image is broken it's really difficult to fix it. However if you fix the issues maybe you'll have a chance.

It doesn't affect my gaming experience, because it's shady, misleading and a poor practice, that makes me never want to play there in the first place. Faking volume makes your site appear more trustworthy than it is, it misleads players who might want to come 'whale watch'. It also makes it appear that you don't know what you're doing to an experienced person who doesn't realize volume is fake. It would be trivial for you to test on a private server, or make some "TEST" token that's used only for testing.

Here is a bet where a player bets 0.921BTC (it's a fake player I assume, but test players should still follow your limits, right?) trying to win around an 18x multiplier. You've stated that your bankroll is over $100000, but for the sake of being safe, I'll assume you have quadruple that, which is equivalent to nearly 50 BTC. At a 0.5% house edge, if the bet wins, the house would lose 15.65BTC, which is over 1/4th of your bankroll, but I'll use 1/4th for safe measure. 25% of the bankroll/0.5% house edge = 50x Kelly. 2x kelly is when the investor/house's EBG (expected bankroll growth) is basically zero, and at 50x Kelly, your EV is positive, but your bankroll is expected to go down very quickly. It shows to the math competent player that your model is flawed, and unsustainable, making it something to avoid.

If I did ignore the whole "no easily verifiable bankroll and horrible negative bankroll growth setup", and decided to play here, it would affect my gaming experience. Many people come to dice sites to socialize, in which large activity is needed to happen. A new player looking at your site would see a decently active player base with a number of whales based on the recent bet list, and the speed in which bets come in, but your chat is dead, and the whales are fake.

The community had a problem when BetBTC.co faked stats and bets and when FortuneJack faked stats, if that gives you any ideas into why people care.

Are you really saying that you see no problem with faking a large amount of betting volume? There are much better ways to test.


I pointed out that something seems off with the Dicebot bets; the bet IDs made zero sense. I did some more checking, and guess what?
Bet ID 23718 is a bet made by dissenting_metaphor_6 (not enjoy_nitrodice_the_faster_dice like on your video) that bets 0.061393 BCH (not the 1 DOGE like shown on your Dicebot), it lost 0.061393 BCH (again not the 1 DOGE shown on your Dicebot), had a nonce of 1190 (not the 7517 shown on your Dicebot), and rolled 0.00997, which again, is not the 2.3718 shown on Dicebot.



I expect you to refute this by saying that the Dicebot testing was done on a separate test server, but as shown by your willingness to test betting speeds on your main server, that is unlikely, and does not help prove your point that the main server handles 2000 bets per second. You can't expect a real bettor to be willing to bet on a separate server either, as they would not have a proper record of bets, and cannot verify provably fair manually. If the bet IDs are incorrect, then you should not be publishing and selling the bot on a VPS in it's form; what good is a fast bot if the bets are unverifiable?

Here's an archive of the specific bet, for future reference. The other bets don't make sense either! (each linked word in the last sentence is an archive of the bet record that Nitrodice shows for each bet ID I grabbed in the screenshot)

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Side Note: Does anyone know of a site where you can archive YouTube videos?

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I do believe that this is just grasping at straws, but for full disclosure, not that it really matters, but I do have some BTC invested into other dice sites:
0.5BTC - Crypto-Games.net
0.15BTC - Bustadice
0.1BTC - Bustabit
0.3BTC - YOLODice
~0.06BTC worth of BetKing tokens

You could argue that I have a financial incentive in making your site fail, which could be true to an extent. However, my share is a very small percentage compared to other investors, and even if your site were to attract 10000 BTC worth of volume in a month, assuming it all went to YOLODice, where I have the highest proportion (0.05% of the bankroll), and luck was 100%, the site would expect to gain 100 BTC in profit (1% edge), and 0.05BTC would go me, or 0.0325BTC in net, after YOLODice's commission (35% profits).

That's all assuming that your site manages to attract that much real volume; YOLODice has run for 5 months, and has only 19k BTC wagered in all. Primedice, arguably the most popular dice site has only had 6000 BTC wagered in the past month, give or take. So no, I do not have any incentive to smear your website. I do agree that I lacked evidence, but my post was based off of assumptions and logic. You did admit afterwards that the volume was fake, so it's not like I was wrong. I just provided evidence that your Dicebot is either fake, or severely messed up as well, and that your business model is flawed and will bankrupt you should you attract any real whales.

How's this for quality?  

You also wanted constructive criticism, so my constructive advise is:
1. Stop faking volume, either intentionally (probable) or unintentionally and move to a proper test server
2. Reassess your business strategy so that it is sustainable, and learn about the world of Bitcoin Gambling you plan on breaking into
3. Don't falsely accuse people of having other interests without proof; if you attack everyone that criticizes you, you won't have success
4. Perhaps hold more BTC so that you can have a provably and public reserve of funds

Stuff you're doing good with:
1. API


edit: fixed typo, improved explanation

All users are REAL users on nitrodice db. This does not mean are all HUMAN users. Most of them are "testing" user.  Testing speed, creation/deletion user, engine status, betting functionality etc etc.

So... what is your concern about to seeing or not other "humans" playing? How does it affect you gaming experience?

Please have a look to all comments since the beginning of the thread, all your insinuations were refuted: you can not cover winnings, your server can not support 2000+ bets minute, your website is unfinished etc.

We do understand you put your interest somewhere else but please stop making judgmental assertions with no evidences.

If this is the level of comments quality of some of the most important bitcointalk members please feel free to delete this thread.
Otherwise please try to give constructive feedback form now on.

Thank you.

Sometimes people do really think that writing such names might bring them luck.
I personally used to write such things in my user seeds, though not here but on primedice.
But it can equally be case of fake volume.

Straight from your dicebot video (the bet IDs)



Normal site they go up logically:




:thinking:

Also please stop faking volume, it's pretty obvious as you don't get whales named "letmewin", "noone", "love_this_nitrodice" betting thousands of dollars of BTC at a time with random amounts 24/7 on a site this new. More established sites that are more reputable don't get your level of whales, so it's quite obvious they're fake.

We think most people prefer to play with Dicebot on a faster site.

Anyway, we will try to make the website more attractive day by day.

Thanks for feedback

Maybe for the future I could have tried it  ,. I have not been interested because bustadice still gives me an advantage. when it looks like next week I will try this site, ..

no wonder if in the chat box many who complain ,, it almost happens in all sites available live chat ,, and that's because the number of lay gamblers
because I think bustadice is the perfect choice for playing dice

I come from their site the color scheme was an effect on your eyes after playing the dice.
Can I ask? Is there a faucet on this site to try our luck even 10 sats of trying the dice is much better.

Its look like this dice site was not fully developed, I saw in the chat box many complaints regarding their sites.

Good choice that was on my mind too.