u should still fix that bug tho
Ofcourse they will. I was told by Monday . But that wasn't the point of the thread.
Topic: Nitrogensports Poker - Not fair ? - page 2. (Read 3086 times)
Ofcourse they will. I was told by Monday . But that wasn't the point of the thread.
u should still fix that bug tho
I understand why not being able to share some hands could make you question the fairness of our poker software. That said, the bug that prevents some hands from being shared is completely unrelated to the cards that are being turned up.
Yes, thats what I replied to. The hands that this happened with did not have a single case of normal hands being unshareable which is why I tested extensively, before posting this. Now obviously, since the feature is down and I have made the site as well everyone aware of it, I won't be able to recreate the whole bug as it would be fixed even if it existed.
Which is the reason , I took a lot of videos to share the problem.
Just for reference, One ticket from the past from me was to share a hand which I was unable to share, Now I don't really remember the hand at all, but it was the first time I came across and didn't feel right , I even requested the support to give me a shareable link to it, but I still haven't received it . :
I had requested support to generate a shareable link for this hand: 3712f3c3-c83d-4262-80d2-cd733605ac90
You guys could probably add the hand history to that too.
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I understand why not being able to share some hands could make you question the fairness of our poker software. That said, the bug that prevents some hands from being shared is completely unrelated to the cards that are being turned up.
I won't readily trust you on this. The op seems to have recorded lots of hands on it, and none of them were just random it seems. I understand why not being able to share some hands could make you question the fairness of our poker software. That said, the bug that prevents some hands from being shared is completely unrelated to the cards that are being turned up.
Can you provide us the reason for it happening ?
I dunno about poker but their blackjack is a joke. Definitely don't play blackjack there.
well why would you play blackjack anywhere?, even live...
as far as odds go, there black jack is pretty decent with doubles on anything even after splits. and i think splitting twice as well.
i'm personally down at at nitrogen blackjack, but to call it a joke seems misleading.
I dunno about poker but their blackjack is a joke. Definitely don't play blackjack there.
i play at nitro but sports only tried there poker took some bad beats there said i would never go back to the poker side there its just funny how all poker sites say there was a bug it does make you wonder 
Good morning everyone,
After personally investigating the matter with our Support team, and poker provider, I'd like to take a moment to clear up a few details.
I understand why not being able to share some hands could make you question the fairness of our poker software. That said, the bug that prevents some hands from being shared is completely unrelated to the cards that are being turned up. Our poker partners are aware of the bug, and have assured me that they'll have a fix for it shortly. In the meantime, we've removed the hand sharing feature. Once the bug is fixed, hand sharing will be back up on our site, and you'll be able to share every single hand dealt!
As has been mentioned earlier in this thread, it's in our best interest to run a fair and honest site. I believe that we've done an excellent job over the last two years of proving that we're a trusted partner.
We appreciate being notified of the bug in hand sharing, and are doing our best to fix it and have the feature back up as soon as possible.
Thanks so much for your trust and understanding!
Jenny
After personally investigating the matter with our Support team, and poker provider, I'd like to take a moment to clear up a few details.
I understand why not being able to share some hands could make you question the fairness of our poker software. That said, the bug that prevents some hands from being shared is completely unrelated to the cards that are being turned up. Our poker partners are aware of the bug, and have assured me that they'll have a fix for it shortly. In the meantime, we've removed the hand sharing feature. Once the bug is fixed, hand sharing will be back up on our site, and you'll be able to share every single hand dealt!
As has been mentioned earlier in this thread, it's in our best interest to run a fair and honest site. I believe that we've done an excellent job over the last two years of proving that we're a trusted partner.
We appreciate being notified of the bug in hand sharing, and are doing our best to fix it and have the feature back up as soon as possible.
Thanks so much for your trust and understanding!
Jenny
Thanks for posting this. I've had my doubts about Nitrogen poker and will continue to have my doubts.
I really hope that Nitrogen comes in this thread (obviously, they know it exists) and comes clean.
Nitrogen; you've got some explaining to do...
I really hope that Nitrogen comes in this thread (obviously, they know it exists) and comes clean.
Nitrogen; you've got some explaining to do...
obviously is complaining about bad beats at microstakes or freerolls, i almost stopped reading
however...
if the default hand player ONLY doesn't work on 1 or 2 outers, then he might be onto something.
original poster ---> is it only the 1 or 2 outers against you that the replayer doesn't work? or even the ones that go in your favor?
can anybody else confirm that this is happening?
(i play almost everyday on the site, diamond level status. i have yet to try using the replayer. next 1 or 2 outer, if i remember, i'll check and then i'll update this thread with what i find.)
however...
if the default hand player ONLY doesn't work on 1 or 2 outers, then he might be onto something.
original poster ---> is it only the 1 or 2 outers against you that the replayer doesn't work? or even the ones that go in your favor?
can anybody else confirm that this is happening?
(i play almost everyday on the site, diamond level status. i have yet to try using the replayer. next 1 or 2 outer, if i remember, i'll check and then i'll update this thread with what i find.)
Well, I am not complaining bad beats against me only. My complaint was that whenever you see bad beats( 2 of the hands are other players playing ) , only then I would get the Unable to Share hand issue. As for the 1 or 2 outers, I would say even the ones going in my favor at times became unshareable.
So basically, as an example, a Hand where I have AA vs Opponents KK , and the board has a K in there, then it doesn't mean necessarily, that it will be unshareable. It can very well be how the RNG generated it, but on clicking on those hands to share, a lot of them became unshareable. And just hands which were All ins on flops and preflops, where a card on turn or river would change things were the ones unshareable.
Well, I couldn't really think of a reason, why this would happen other wise, other than the explanation I posted above, so I am also waiting for a reply from Nitrogen to confirm what the issue was, and have someone verify it.
And for now , they have remove the hand sharing option , and plan to introduce it next week after fixing it.
obviously is complaining about bad beats at microstakes or freerolls, i almost stopped reading
however...
if the default hand player ONLY doesn't work on 1 or 2 outers, then he might be onto something.
original poster ---> is it only the 1 or 2 outers against you that the replayer doesn't work? or even the ones that go in your favor?
can anybody else confirm that this is happening?
(i play almost everyday on the site, diamond level status. i have yet to try using the replayer. next 1 or 2 outer, if i remember, i'll check and then i'll update this thread with what i find.)
however...
if the default hand player ONLY doesn't work on 1 or 2 outers, then he might be onto something.
original poster ---> is it only the 1 or 2 outers against you that the replayer doesn't work? or even the ones that go in your favor?
can anybody else confirm that this is happening?
(i play almost everyday on the site, diamond level status. i have yet to try using the replayer. next 1 or 2 outer, if i remember, i'll check and then i'll update this thread with what i find.)
i dont think theyre cheating you in these examples. it would make them far more money to operate the site honestly. they dont care who wins its max rake that makes them money. as you play more and more hands you will see just about everything that can happen happen.
they go cheating players then they will lose business and make 0 rake is what im saying
I play once in while but I try to stay away from poker sites. I honestly think the card system is build towards a lot of action flops and steer more towards keeping ppl at the table which earns the poker sites all that rake. Call me paranoid but online poker I believe is way to shady. they go cheating players then they will lose business and make 0 rake is what im saying
i dont think theyre cheating you in these examples. it would make them far more money to operate the site honestly. they dont care who wins its max rake that makes them money. as you play more and more hands you will see just about everything that can happen happen.
they go cheating players then they will lose business and make 0 rake is what im saying
they go cheating players then they will lose business and make 0 rake is what im saying
In two of your three examples of "bad beats", the best hand when the money went in won the hand. That's not a bad beat.
Well I never said, all hands were bad beats. It was mostly things that cause the other hand to win on the turn or the river, and the hand became unshareable
Yeah that doesn't make much sense. It's a very big leap in logic to say "some hands where the best hand preflop won" somehow means the site is unfair.
In two of your three examples of "bad beats", the best hand when the money went in won the hand. That's not a bad beat.
Well I never said, all hands were bad beats. It was mostly things that cause the other hand to win on the turn or the river, and the hand became unshareable
In two of your three examples of "bad beats", the best hand when the money went in won the hand. That's not a bad beat.
I have been a regular player at NitrogenSports for poker since it started. I had had my share of ups and downs, and the variance, getting bad beats and giving them as well.
Like the doubts many poker players have about online poker being rigged, sometimes I have them too.
Recently, being playing since a long time at Nitrogen, I began to feel that the hands have been hitting a lot of outers specially on all in on the flop or preflop, when suddenly cards would appear on the turn or the river giving them a better hand. Well obviously, I didn't have anything to prove it, and thats something even playing on a rigged poker site you can't prove.
Anyways, so carrying on, Nitrogen recently introduced the hand sharing option - an example about less than 10 days back. Basically just like stars you could click on the hand id, and it would give you a link to a hand replayer.
The part where It got interesting...
Until last week it used to work fine, but sometimes when I used to try and fetch the link to some of the bad beats I got or some crazy action to share with my friends, then it used to give me an "Unable to Share Hand Error"
Something like this :
At first, I wondered why it happens, but there wasn't any explanation to it.
Anyways, being a regular on the site and playing almost all the hourlies, and tournaments, I came across more and more of situations where I wasn't able to share the hands. And It clicked to me that it was only the bad beats which I wasn't able to share and was able to share the regular hands.
I tried and tested every possible situation : Preflop all in/Shortstacker/Playing from another account/Playing in another browser etc , but I always got Unable to share in Situations where the hand ran bad. So before contacting Nitrogen about it, I starting recording the hand histories where it happened. And there wasn't any one hand, where I was unable to share which wasn't a bad beat or hitting outs on the turn or river.
I will post 2-3 examples at first, and will leave the rest of the links on here for people who want to go through them.
Before I post them , please note that you just have to look at the hand-history(where the mouse icon is) and not the hand, as I used to record after the hand. Also watch the videos in minimum 480p as they might not be too clear
1. Link to first hand((Watch only the hand history)) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYc1dOfuMuA
Watch it in full screen. basically Hand goes like this
dsly : Preflop raises 1500 all in .
Amfee call
Dsly : 3 3 , Amfee: 4 4
Flop: Q Q 3 , turn: 9 River : 4 , Amfee hitting the outer.
Now obviously, it could be a bad beat, but the reason I am sharing this hand is to show that it was only outers and turn or river hitting hands, that were unshareable
There was no other hand, which was unshareable.
In the second half of the video, I go through all the hands in the Hand History browser to show that apart from that particular hand, all the rest can be shared, but its only the hand where he hit a 2 outer, where it became un-shareable.
2. Link to second hand((Watch only the hand history)) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkXAhgSsaBE
This time its a PLO hand. It was between 2 other players. One of them(Floppy Nutz) had been sitting out during the tournament and was short stacked.
Basically Hand goes like this :
.keow raises 350
.floppyNutz who is short stacked is automatically all in . Everyone else folds
. keow shows : A♠ 3♣ T♣ 2♥
. Floppy Nutz has : A♦ Q♥ 5♣ A♥
Flop : 4♣ J♣ J♦ - Turn :10♦ - River:A♣
keow Has a Flush
FloppyNutz has a Full House
3. Link to third hand(Watch only the hand history) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CySobhljFrw
Royal flush hand
.Satoshi bets all in 7.5K chip
.zuken calls Preflop all in
. zuken shows T♥ J♥
.satoshi shows Q♦ Q♠
.Flop : K♥ 5♠ Q♥ Turn: A♥ River : 5♦
. satoshi has a Full House
.zuken has a Royal Flush
Unable to share hand again. I again show all hands can be shared except that one.
My Analysis on this one: So basically the river card was supposed to give satoshi a full house, and zuen was meant to win this hand from the start.
So the only hand that beats a full house was a straight/royal flush..and A♥ dropped on the turn to give him the royal/Str8 flush .
4. The rest of the hands
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WytWSrP6mxo - Hand happening live
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20P1IUjFcw4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85BCyeJjSu8
I have a few more which I will post later today.
My analysis on the hands is this:
Basically the RNG generates cards for example : 2 6 8 A 2 - then for the hand sharing it immediately, stores them in a queue or stack , or a text file, which is later used for the Hand sharing browser.
Now, if it was a bit off which it look likes , it will have to overwrite that file/queue and will have to go back, but the program of Nitrogen wasn't programmed to do that from what I think , in which case instead of doing that it shows : Unable to share(which is probably a deafult case if a bug appears ) .
Nitrogen , has always offered a good support, but still hasn't yet provided a reason on why did this happen. If the software has been developed by a third party developer, it might be some kind of flaw he knows like a backdoor to take advantage of.
Or it could be programmed as such to have players win/lose small amounts and tournaments, so they stay where they are, generating more rake for nitrogensports.
Nitrogen has taken the hand sharing option offline for now, until they fix it. If it was something on purpose, then obviously , I would expect them to fix it, which is one reason, why I have shared and recorded most of the sessions.
I received a 0.2 BTC bounty and 2 free bets on this, which wasn't great , but oh well..
I would request anyone who has programmed poker games before comment on the fact that these things might happen if they were to do it purposely.
There is actually no way to prove that a poker site is not fair, and it takes for something like this to show that.
I have asked Nitrogen to comment on it as well , once they come up with the reason behind it.
Thank you for your input
Like the doubts many poker players have about online poker being rigged, sometimes I have them too.
Recently, being playing since a long time at Nitrogen, I began to feel that the hands have been hitting a lot of outers specially on all in on the flop or preflop, when suddenly cards would appear on the turn or the river giving them a better hand. Well obviously, I didn't have anything to prove it, and thats something even playing on a rigged poker site you can't prove.
Anyways, so carrying on, Nitrogen recently introduced the hand sharing option - an example about less than 10 days back. Basically just like stars you could click on the hand id, and it would give you a link to a hand replayer.
The part where It got interesting...
Until last week it used to work fine, but sometimes when I used to try and fetch the link to some of the bad beats I got or some crazy action to share with my friends, then it used to give me an "Unable to Share Hand Error"
Something like this :
At first, I wondered why it happens, but there wasn't any explanation to it.
Anyways, being a regular on the site and playing almost all the hourlies, and tournaments, I came across more and more of situations where I wasn't able to share the hands. And It clicked to me that it was only the bad beats which I wasn't able to share and was able to share the regular hands.
I tried and tested every possible situation : Preflop all in/Shortstacker/Playing from another account/Playing in another browser etc , but I always got Unable to share in Situations where the hand ran bad. So before contacting Nitrogen about it, I starting recording the hand histories where it happened. And there wasn't any one hand, where I was unable to share which wasn't a bad beat or hitting outs on the turn or river.
I will post 2-3 examples at first, and will leave the rest of the links on here for people who want to go through them.
Before I post them , please note that you just have to look at the hand-history(where the mouse icon is) and not the hand, as I used to record after the hand. Also watch the videos in minimum 480p as they might not be too clear
1. Link to first hand((Watch only the hand history)) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYc1dOfuMuA
Watch it in full screen. basically Hand goes like this
dsly : Preflop raises 1500 all in .
Amfee call
Dsly : 3 3 , Amfee: 4 4
Flop: Q Q 3 , turn: 9 River : 4 , Amfee hitting the outer.
Now obviously, it could be a bad beat, but the reason I am sharing this hand is to show that it was only outers and turn or river hitting hands, that were unshareable
There was no other hand, which was unshareable.
In the second half of the video, I go through all the hands in the Hand History browser to show that apart from that particular hand, all the rest can be shared, but its only the hand where he hit a 2 outer, where it became un-shareable.
2. Link to second hand((Watch only the hand history)) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkXAhgSsaBE
This time its a PLO hand. It was between 2 other players. One of them(Floppy Nutz) had been sitting out during the tournament and was short stacked.
Basically Hand goes like this :
.keow raises 350
.floppyNutz who is short stacked is automatically all in . Everyone else folds
. keow shows : A♠ 3♣ T♣ 2♥
. Floppy Nutz has : A♦ Q♥ 5♣ A♥
Flop : 4♣ J♣ J♦ - Turn :10♦ - River:A♣
keow Has a Flush
FloppyNutz has a Full House
3. Link to third hand(Watch only the hand history) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CySobhljFrw
Royal flush hand
.Satoshi bets all in 7.5K chip
.zuken calls Preflop all in
. zuken shows T♥ J♥
.satoshi shows Q♦ Q♠
.Flop : K♥ 5♠ Q♥ Turn: A♥ River : 5♦
. satoshi has a Full House
.zuken has a Royal Flush
Unable to share hand again. I again show all hands can be shared except that one.
My Analysis on this one: So basically the river card was supposed to give satoshi a full house, and zuen was meant to win this hand from the start.
So the only hand that beats a full house was a straight/royal flush..and A♥ dropped on the turn to give him the royal/Str8 flush .
4. The rest of the hands
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WytWSrP6mxo - Hand happening live
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20P1IUjFcw4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85BCyeJjSu8
I have a few more which I will post later today.
My analysis on the hands is this:
Basically the RNG generates cards for example : 2 6 8 A 2 - then for the hand sharing it immediately, stores them in a queue or stack , or a text file, which is later used for the Hand sharing browser.
Now, if it was a bit off which it look likes , it will have to overwrite that file/queue and will have to go back, but the program of Nitrogen wasn't programmed to do that from what I think , in which case instead of doing that it shows : Unable to share(which is probably a deafult case if a bug appears ) .
Nitrogen , has always offered a good support, but still hasn't yet provided a reason on why did this happen. If the software has been developed by a third party developer, it might be some kind of flaw he knows like a backdoor to take advantage of.
Or it could be programmed as such to have players win/lose small amounts and tournaments, so they stay where they are, generating more rake for nitrogensports.
Nitrogen has taken the hand sharing option offline for now, until they fix it. If it was something on purpose, then obviously , I would expect them to fix it, which is one reason, why I have shared and recorded most of the sessions.
I received a 0.2 BTC bounty and 2 free bets on this, which wasn't great , but oh well..
I would request anyone who has programmed poker games before comment on the fact that these things might happen if they were to do it purposely.
There is actually no way to prove that a poker site is not fair, and it takes for something like this to show that.
I have asked Nitrogen to comment on it as well , once they come up with the reason behind it.
Thank you for your input
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