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Topic: No, Elon Musk's SpaceX Isn't the Cause of This Multi-Billion-Dollar Bloodbath - page 3. (Read 480 times)

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Finally seems that I found some articles that don't go by the same stupid narrative blaming Spacex and Musk for everything
https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2023/08/18/no-spacex-isnt-the-cause-of-this-multi-billion-dollar-bitcoin-bloodbath/

Before going to what the article says, I must add I'm surprised everytime how people in the crypto world always look for always for the easiest answer, price goes down:
- IT'S FUD! FUD!! FUD is to blame!  of course, with 90% not even knowing what the acronym stands for.
- Then it's a single culprit, obviously, someone who criticizes Bitcoin, a simple handy scapegoat is needed! Musk! Buffett!
- the last stage obviously's the evil gubbermint! Forgetting that for months before every single one of them was laughing at how the evil governments are not able to hurt Bitcoin, now when they see only red candles it's the same impotent government that is somehow not that impotent anymore!

As usual, the real cause it's not any of those

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Some pointed to space exploration company SpaceX’s supposed bitcoin sales – an unsubstantiated claim – while others said the bankruptcy of China Evergrande's may have had something to do with the fall. However, neither of these events are the probable cause.
- Professional traders say market structure and liquidations were a likely reason for the sudden drop instead of a singular fundamental catalyst. The market has also been relatively illiquid and flat – creating conditions ripe for sudden movements.
- Some fundamental catalysts, however, are the rising interest rates in the U.S., as previously reported.
“U.S. interest rates are rising to multi-year highs. The 10-year yield has pushed to 15-year highs. This is bearish risk assets in general,” Harland added. “If this sell-off in bonds continues we could see continued negative price action in risk assets into the weekend.”

Who could have thought of that? I mean it's not like the stock market did the same without Elon selling Spacex....
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/stock-market-news-today-dow-china-fed-deflation-bonds-bankruptcy-2023-8

Right? Right???  Grin
It's natural instinct, relief and easy to blame someone. By the way, I don't really understand what's wrong with Elon's SpaceX selling bitcoins? Maybe he needed all the fiat from his bitcoin reserves, why shouldn't he do that? He isn't married to Bitcoins. But people do dumb things, trade with x10 margin and then get in trouble.

By the way, I really wonder, how would SpaceX trade thousands of bitcoins? Where do they trade? What kind of agreement do they make? Does anyone have any clue about that?

Elon Musk allowed Tesla payment with bitcoin. Later he said rubbish, discontinue bitcoin as one of the Tesla payment option. Later he said he will only accept the coin that uses 1% of bitcoin energy. Later he accepted doge which was what we thought about. Elon Musk manipulation in the past can make people to link him to what that draged bitcoin downside.
It's not Elon Musk's fault that people are stupid and looking for messiah who will give them unlimited money without work.
legendary
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Whoever thinks that the reason for Elon Musk, SpaceX or China Evergrande does not want to search carefully and even the reasons mentioned in the article are not accurate. If you follow technical analysis, you will not need a reason to worry about the price of Bitcoin unless it drops below 24600. If this happens, then it must To look for a reason because it will take a long time for us to return to the levels of 30 thousand dollars, but the price rebounded quickly when it reached 25400, and therefore we are still in the range of 24500 to 40900.

So the most realistic reason is the liquidation operations, in addition to the failure to break the resistance level with weak trading volumes.
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Actually we cannot be 100% sure, but it is good to know this perspective, because among the possible causes I had not heard about market structure and liquidations. Anyway, FUD spreads very fast and I imagine that the bankruptcy of Evergrande together with the news of the sale of Bitcoin by SpaceX, even though it had happened some time ago, somewhat influenced the market downwards.
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I was also shocked to see how everyone was and still blaming Elon for all this dump. Instead, we all know the markets were in less volatility which you are calling flat and illiquid too but in such conditions a piece of bad news and some influence must have triggered the dominoes effect but much good news came up why that news did not put the positive trend in the BTC price while the unofficial selling of BTC by SpaceX triggered this Flat and Illiquid state of Market which influenced BTC price to make high volatility outcomes.

The point is, if the Devaluation of the Chinese Yuan, High Yield Bonds, High-Interest rates are just minor factors then something must have triggered the domino effect for the flat market.
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I still don't understand why hes not booked for manipulating the trading markets with his stupid ass tweets in 2021/22.

he did not do anything in 2021...
he filed his normal december 2020 SEC filings.. then CRAP PRESS MEDIA picked up on it in feb-march 2021 and THEY spread gossip about elons purchases months after the actual purchase

also he is avoiding bitcoin gossip recently to avoid causing manipulation to bitcoin... however doge is just a joke so he can manipulate that to however anyone sees fit.. doge is a joke after all.

as for this year elon didnt say anything about bitcoin involved in spaceX this month.. again CRAP PRESS started rumours
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I mean no one is blaming him and there are millions of articles online published as anyone and everyone is a journalist now with a 10 dollar domain with WordPress installed on it.
It doesn't matter however, he surely does damage to the Bitcoin community by doing stupid things and preferring shitcoins over Bitcoin. His idea to implement Doge logo on Twitter/X was a clear example. I still don't understand why hes not booked for manipulating the trading markets with his stupid ass tweets in 2021/22.
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Finally seems that I found some articles that don't go by the same stupid narrative blaming Spacex and Musk for everything
https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2023/08/18/no-spacex-isnt-the-cause-of-this-multi-billion-dollar-bitcoin-bloodbath/

Before going to what the article says, I must add I'm surprised everytime how people in the crypto world always look for always for the easiest answer, price goes down:
- IT'S FUD! FUD!! FUD is to blame!  of course, with 90% not even knowing what the acronym stands for.
- Then it's a single culprit, obviously, someone who criticizes Bitcoin, a simple handy scapegoat is needed! Musk! Buffett!
- the last stage obviously's the evil gubbermint! Forgetting that for months before every single one of them was laughing at how the evil governments are not able to hurt Bitcoin, now when they see only red candles it's the same impotent government that is somehow not that impotent anymore!

As usual, the real cause it's not any of those

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Some pointed to space exploration company SpaceX’s supposed bitcoin sales – an unsubstantiated claim – while others said the bankruptcy of China Evergrande's may have had something to do with the fall. However, neither of these events are the probable cause.
- Professional traders say market structure and liquidations were a likely reason for the sudden drop instead of a singular fundamental catalyst. The market has also been relatively illiquid and flat – creating conditions ripe for sudden movements.
- Some fundamental catalysts, however, are the rising interest rates in the U.S., as previously reported.
“U.S. interest rates are rising to multi-year highs. The 10-year yield has pushed to 15-year highs. This is bearish risk assets in general,” Harland added. “If this sell-off in bonds continues we could see continued negative price action in risk assets into the weekend.”

Who could have thought of that? I mean it's not like the stock market did the same without Elon selling Spacex....
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/stock-market-news-today-dow-china-fed-deflation-bonds-bankruptcy-2023-8

Right? Right???  Grin

I mean it was a combo of things. The price did drop from like $27k to $25k or something right after the market found out Musk dumped all of SpaceX's bitcoin. But of course it had already dropped from $29k to $27k leading up to that. It was a combo or negative real estate / interest rate news (not bad for bitcoin but just bad for global economy), liquidations, and SpaceX, and Coinbase futures also got accepted and I wouldn't be surprised if people sold on that news as well as futures generally are looked at as a negative thing since it just allows more shorting of the market and no upside (no actual buying of bitcoin). All this stuff happened at once basically. But yeah, SpaceX news definitely dropped the market a good bit on its own cuz that's exactly when the crash to $25k happened, but it was multiple things all happening within 24 hours or so that caused the several thousand dollar drop.
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The Bull is charging backward in order to rush forward in full speed to break a resistance and hit a new high.. . Centralized fundamentals no longer affect the market... When you hear a new high will be hit then expect a pullback like this.
And that again is a good opportunity ride the bull to the top.
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Hmm, I do agree that the initial fabricated news and the Dip were quite expected by some of the factors that increased the total impact of the crash, after Ellon Musk's fabricated news I did find another reason for the market crash which I found quite unrelatable but after reviewing their impact on the crypto market time I did realized it also can be a reason Ever-Grande.

Also, a point to be considered here is that we ignored in the initial stage that as Spacex news spread after the crash, not this news caused the panic market well, whatever it was it seems like this caused as much damage as the FTX crisis in the market. There were other reasons as well which can say and consider but the event passed now what to get from it. Except for Ellon Musk was not responsible haha. In WO or somewhere I think I had already read that at the time when everyone was blaming the SpaceX someone said it's not him.

Rest the case  and Buy some in cheap and enjoy.
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Exactly, whatever the reason, opportunity for cheap bitcoin, get while supplies last!
As for Musk, lets not forget the Twitter altcoin thing.
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Elon Musk allowed Tesla payment with bitcoin. Later he said rubbish, discontinue bitcoin as one of the Tesla payment option. Later he said he will only accept the coin that uses 1% of bitcoin energy. Later he accepted doge which was what we thought about. Elon Musk manipulation in the past can make people to link him to what that draged bitcoin downside.

As for me, I have been predicting that bitcoin price may fall, we posted about it on the speculation board. $30000 has been the resistance and the market was very less volatile. After long less volatility, the market will later become more volatile in one direction. Bitcoin was going down to $29000, $28500. That was when we expected more volatility, but bitcoin went up instead and $30000 was the support again. It decreased back to $29400. Very boring market. As it decreased below $28500 again, people should guess that bitcoin price may fall. $26000 was predicted to be the resistance but if bitcoin go down to $23000/24000 and stay there for like three days, the price may fall to or below $20000.

They were just speculations from analyses and it happened. There are a lot of things that may cause the fall, it is indicating already that such a thing may happen. I will not link this to Elon Musk, but kind of linking to it which may not be 100% but you what some holders and traders can do when the heard that people like Elon Mush sold huge amount of bitcoin. They will sell and the price will fall.

I do not care about if Elon Musk did anything, but I know that as bitcoin fall in price, I have more bitcoin to buy with the same amount of fiat that I can use to buy at higher price. What a greater opportunity.
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Finally seems that I found some articles that don't go by the same stupid narrative blaming Spacex and Musk for everything
https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2023/08/18/no-spacex-isnt-the-cause-of-this-multi-billion-dollar-bitcoin-bloodbath/

Before going to what the article says, I must add I'm surprised everytime how people in the crypto world always look for always for the easiest answer, price goes down:
- IT'S FUD! FUD!! FUD is to blame!  of course, with 90% not even knowing what the acronym stands for.
- Then it's a single culprit, obviously, someone who criticizes Bitcoin, a simple handy scapegoat is needed! Musk! Buffett!
- the last stage obviously's the evil gubbermint! Forgetting that for months before every single one of them was laughing at how the evil governments are not able to hurt Bitcoin, now when they see only red candles it's the same impotent government that is somehow not that impotent anymore!

As usual, the real cause it's not any of those

Quote
Some pointed to space exploration company SpaceX’s supposed bitcoin sales – an unsubstantiated claim – while others said the bankruptcy of China Evergrande's may have had something to do with the fall. However, neither of these events are the probable cause.
- Professional traders say market structure and liquidations were a likely reason for the sudden drop instead of a singular fundamental catalyst. The market has also been relatively illiquid and flat – creating conditions ripe for sudden movements.
- Some fundamental catalysts, however, are the rising interest rates in the U.S., as previously reported.
“U.S. interest rates are rising to multi-year highs. The 10-year yield has pushed to 15-year highs. This is bearish risk assets in general,” Harland added. “If this sell-off in bonds continues we could see continued negative price action in risk assets into the weekend.”

Who could have thought of that? I mean it's not like the stock market did the same without Elon selling Spacex....
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/stock-market-news-today-dow-china-fed-deflation-bonds-bankruptcy-2023-8

Right? Right???  Grin
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