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Topic: No essence in convincing anyone into Bitcoin ind. nor the Bitcointalk platform (Read 202 times)

legendary
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there is no reward given to any existing Bitcoin holders who in any way brings or introduces anyone into the Bitcoin industry nor this Bitcointalk platform

I'd argue that depends entirely on the intent behind it.  There are certainly weaker justifications for convincing others to climb aboard, like speculation and greed.  It doesn't help if people are being mislead into thinking Bitcoin is something it isn't, like a get-rich-quick scheme.  But there are positive reasons to encourage the use of Bitcoin.  Privacy, security, freedom, etc.  If that's what people are joining for, then I'd call that a win.

But as for there supposedly being no benefit to bringing in new users, Network Effects should be considered.  As a general rule, utility grows with more participants.  That's largely true of both the Bitcoin network and the forum.  So, provided people are getting involved with healthy motivations, then it's a net gain for Bitcoin.

Plus, purely in regard to the forum, if people are going to get involved in this stuff, I'd say it's better they learn from either here or Bitcoin Stack Exchange.  Information from other sources may be less reliable, or prone to not being corrected if false.  
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There is absolutely no dividend stipulated amongst users who brings in new members in this forum as much as there is no reward given to any existing Bitcoin holders who in any way brings or introduces anyone into the Bitcoin industry nor this Bitcointalk platform,
This might just sound uninteresting but it is pointing at those who are in competitive manners of brining in persons into the forum without being properly oriented. Most of the persons brought into this forum never had the passion being here in the first place but some of us ignores how substantial their contributions and what their unwilling potentials to the forum would result to. To an extend, these unworthy persons being convinced in the forum leaves their forum accounts vacant flooding the forums with domant users accounts.
Contrarily this is also how some of our bitcoineers convinces unwilling individuals to get into the Bitcoin industry and Invest their funds with an explanatory manner of just focusing at making incomes while they ignores to explain about the risks involved to them and at the end of it they are held responsible for misleading them to the lost of their funds while the Bitcoin industry becomes a fraudulent technology to them due their lack of being oriented about the basics potentials of the Bitcoin technology.
I don't know if these fellows who are desperate of brining people in to the platforms and in the Bitcoin industry are after of self recognition or whatever.
Your post is all over the place, those that want to become part of this forum or this market in general can do it if they want and they can choose how to use it, whether this becomes a daily routine or they leave after asking a few questions, that is their decision, and about those that bring people to this market, that is their decision too, in my case I do not speak about bitcoin with people on my real life anymore, as I know that if I do, they invest in it and they lose their money they will blame me for it, and I do not want that kind of drama on my life, and I am sure I am not the only one that eventually took that decision, so for the most part the ones which are trying to bring more people to this market in that way are influencers, people that no one should trust with their money.
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Most people is in this shit to get rich. See the paradise of heavens paid out in cold fiat.

I go talk to Judas Priest on youtube. I bet they got a new album coming out soon.
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As you already know people who referred others to the forum are not incentivized in anyway. I think one of the reasons they invite family and friends to the here is to learn more about cryptocurrency and how to protect their assets and I don't see anything wrong with that.

Also, I think you're wrong to say that people who are referred to the forum lack the passion to be here because I know few persons who said they were introduced here and are doing fine for themselves. The truth is you can't force anyone to be here, if the person is disinterested, he or she will leave.
I believe aside from motivational profits, these people also want to learn and get educated about cryptocurrency not only because it’s the trend now but also if they decide to invest in the future, they’ll be aware already how to manage and succeeded those risk without enduring a lot of losses. And in terms of security and safeguarding their assets from group of scammers who are just waiting in the corner to look for new innocent victims.
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Yeah rather than dishing out cash rewards, it's about making this forum a cool place to hang out. When you bring someone in and they vibe with the community and find useful stuff, it's like a win-win. Think of it as building a friendly digital hangout where people connect, share and enjoy each other's company. We should continuously learn something and here it is in this forum
Yeah and moreover for an old forum Bitcointalk has more than enough members.
If the admins wanted to monetize the forum they could earn substantial amounts, currently they host the forum without earning from users or companies and yet only users earn from advertising. So even for that, there's more than enough users. I wouldn't so easily invite someone here unless they have something good to offer. Otherwise I am almost certain they would find it hard to adapt to the community.
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You may be right about those who easily abandon their accounts upon registration here and after posting for a while, you may also be wrong about them because you never can tell what circumstances they're faced with.
You know what? there's no harm for someone create a new account and abandon it. Smiley

@OP isn't even an administrator, while the real administrator didn't complaint about this case lol.

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However, quite a good number of the cases shows that most of them run off when they find out they can't earn merit to rank up and get into campaigns. It's sad they don't the patience to wait and go through the process.
Many of them become bounty hunters who participated in scam campaigns and complaint they has been scammed or participated in worthless campaigns and complaint if they didn't get a good amount of reward like what the developer's promises.
legendary
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This might just sound uninteresting but it is pointing at those who are in competitive manners of brining in persons into the forum without being properly oriented. Most of the persons brought into this forum never had the passion being here in the first place but some of us ignores how substantial their contributions and what their unwilling potentials to the forum would result to. To an extend, these unworthy persons being convinced in the forum leaves their forum accounts vacant flooding the forums with domant users accounts.
You may be right about those who easily abandon their accounts upon registration here and after posting for a while, you may also be wrong about them because you never can tell what circumstances they're faced with. Life happens to everyone of us. Some might come here with the mindset of learning but get derailed by the vicissitudes of life that may force them to abandon their accounts here. We never can tell until we know their issues. However, quite a good number of the cases shows that most of them run off when they find out they can't earn merit to rank up and get into campaigns. It's sad they don't the patience to wait and go through the process.
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It is good to have mentioned about the forum but if no one is interested in the forum then introducing it will not be of any use. It is not possible to force someone to teach anything and you cannot force someone to depend on your own will. It goes without saying to be a part of the forum, you can teach them better about bitcoin and crypto by sharing your experience with them. Bitcoin investors benefit a lot if they understand the bitcoin buying and selling trends they will be interested in learning about bitcoin.
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As you already know people who referred others to the forum are not incentivized in anyway. I think one of the reasons they invite family and friends to the here is to learn more about cryptocurrency and how to protect their assets and I don't see anything wrong with that.

Also, I think you're wrong to say that people who are referred to the forum lack the passion to be here because I know few persons who said they were introduced here and are doing fine for themselves. The truth is you can't force anyone to be here, if the person is disinterested, he or she will leave.
legendary
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I think it's actually good that there's no reward for introducing people to Bitcoin or this forum because the opposite would be a red flag, indicating that it could be a Ponzi scheme or something like that.
I've introduced several people to Bitcoin and to this forum specifically. Some became actively engaged in the crypto market, while others probably don't even remember experimenting with the forum at this point. But I've never tried to convince people to join, I just gently introduced them when they seemed interested. In my opinion, financial decisions are personal and private, so I see no use in trying to convince people to invest or to learn about cryptos, for example. After all, I don't want to feel guilty if something doesn't work out for those people.
So overall, I agree with the op that we shouldn't be convincing others to join and/or invest.
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I do not think that it is necessarily a bad thing to introduce people to bitcointalk or just in bitcoin in general. I think this forum is a good place for beginners to learn about bitcoin. There are a lot of books or audiobooks that are way too overwhelming and intimidating for beginners. But this forum is filled with posts that are written by ordering people with concerns and questions that a lot of beginners might relate to.

I personally did not take much interest in cryptocurrency until I stumbled upon bitcointalk. Here I got to fully understand different concepts in crypto that would have taken me otherwise a long time to know about.

New members can not be a bad thing. These people want to learn something new and they can even contribute to the market which is a good thing for us who are already holders.

If it’s the abandoned accounts you are worried about, maybe there should be a system where if an account is inactive for a specific period of time then it will be disabled and no longer be used.
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Why should there be a reward in terms of money for bringing new users to this forum?
There is no revenue stream for the admins for new users. It's just increased liability. Theymos, the admin, even paused his ads...

So really, think about it, not everything needs to be a monetary transaction. If you bring someone here and he appreciates the information here and the forrum's community, maybe he's gonna like you as a human in general. Some things are not always tied to money.

Yeah rather than dishing out cash rewards, it's about making this forum a cool place to hang out. When you bring someone in and they vibe with the community and find useful stuff, it's like a win-win. Think of it as building a friendly digital hangout where people connect, share and enjoy each other's company. We should continuously learn something and here it is in this forum
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There is absolutely no dividend stipulated amongst users who brings in new members in this forum as much as there is no reward given to any existing Bitcoin holders who in any way brings or introduces anyone into the Bitcoin industry nor this Bitcointalk platform,
This might just sound uninteresting but it is pointing at those who are in competitive manners of brining in persons into the forum without being properly oriented. Most of the persons brought into this forum never had the passion being here in the first place but some of us ignores how substantial their contributions and what their unwilling potentials to the forum would result to. To an extend, these unworthy persons being convinced in the forum leaves their forum accounts vacant flooding the forums with domant users accounts.
Contrarily this is also how some of our bitcoineers convinces unwilling individuals to get into the Bitcoin industry and Invest their funds with an explanatory manner of just focusing at making incomes while they ignores to explain about the risks involved to them and at the end of it they are held responsible for misleading them to the lost of their funds while the Bitcoin industry becomes a fraudulent technology to them due their lack of being oriented about the basics potentials of the Bitcoin technology.
I don't know if these fellows who are desperate of brining people in to the platforms and in the Bitcoin industry are after of self recognition or whatever.

Why do you want to get incentives for referring someone into the Bitcoin forum? why do you want to get incentives for teaching someone about Bitcoin investment? Education is power and if you think you can not give people Bitcoin education for free, you can ask them to pay you for the knowledge you want to lecture them. I did not pay anybody to learn about Bitcoin and if I'm referring people to Bitcoin, I will not ask them to pay me.

Bitcoiners: what is your reward for creating Bitcoin?

Satoshi: no reward, I created it for users to have privacy in their finances. Bitcoin is not centralized and there is no way I get incentives when Bitcoiners spend their Bitcoin or when new people invest in Bitcoin. I did not create Bitcoin to get incentives from users.

If you bring more people into Bitcoin, it increases adoption and more adoption means the price can pump, let the price pump be your reward. This is my opinion.
legendary
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I don’t think bringing persons into the forum is an act of being desperate. In fact, if your aim is to educate them about bitcoin and its crypto space, hence bitcointalk forum is the perfect place to be. Just like I’ve been doing to some of my friends before, I asked them if they are willing to learn about bitcoin and then they said yes so I eagerly introduced this forum to them. But I have no intentions of convincing them to invest, that’s too risky for me to decide for them. If they really want, they can do that once they have fully understood the concept of bitcoin. But not forcing them to invest as for sure, I will be held responsible for whatever losses they may endure.

Now, let’s talk about being rewarded in the forum. For me, I don’t aim for recognition or whatsoever. All I want is to help people become aware about bitcoin because that would be part of our financial industry in the future whether we like it or not. So as early as today, I want them to gain quality education about bitcoin so that they won’t easily believe on what crypto influencers are trying to say in the social media, as most of them can be deceiving for their own personal interests.
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Other sites used to have referral links, which brought some profit to the referrer. Perhaps the guys you are talking about, OP, have the same approach to this forum, seeing only their own benefit.
But I have met people on the forum who would like to help their compatriots learn about this forum by inviting them to join and learn about Bitcoin; I don't see a problem with that. Just like empty profiles of people who remain inactive for a long time, so what? Not everyone finds the information here interesting or useful.
Here's what I definitely see—what doesn't make sense to discuss is your OP topic.
Allow people to make their own personal choice to stay or leave.
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There is absolutely no dividend stipulated amongst users who brings in new members in this forum as much as there is no reward given to any existing Bitcoin holders who in any way brings or introduces anyone into the Bitcoin industry nor this Bitcointalk platform,

Before even diving into bringing someone to bitcointalk, you need to understand their take for bitcoin first, are they the type that appreciate the existence of bitcoin and make use of it, are they having the understanding of what bitcoin is and how it can help the financial economy, lastly, we also need to ask more about them if they will be willing to join a global forum where anything about bitcoin is discussed, if they now show interest, you can begin in telling them about the rules and regulations of the forum, the way they can enjoy bitcoin discussions among many other aspects of the economy discussions, once all of these terms has been fulfilled, then they can proceed  to joining, but never made a mistake a telling someone here is a place of making money.
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This is the exact reason why I start by talking about the dangers of Bitcoin Investment to whoever tells me to educate him about Bitcoin, I'd first make you understand that you can loose all your funds if you're not fully equipped with the necessary knowledge about Bitcoin, and then I tell you about the benefits of Bitcoin.
Indeed there's no point introducing people to Bitcoin without fully equipping them with the basic knowledge they need, because you'll be leading the person to his doom. This is why so many people see Bitcoin as scam because they go in with insufficient knowledge.
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There is absolutely no dividend stipulated amongst users who brings in new members in this forum as much as there is no reward given to any existing Bitcoin holders who in any way brings or introduces anyone into the Bitcoin industry nor this Bitcointalk platform,
Telling people about Bitcoin and this forum is not a bad thing to do, it is actually one way of helping Bitcoin and the Bitcoin community. What better news can you share with people you love and care about than this forum. How will you feel if your friend know about this forum and Bitcoin yet refused to share with you, only for you to find out after many years that he is even a legendary with so much knowledge about Bitcoin? Will you be happy? Most of the users of this forum were introduced by someone except few that will stumble on it by themselves and these set members are few.


sr. member
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I support both sides, there is nothing wrong in introducing this forum to people but at the same time, some people talk as if this forum is paying them for bringing in new people, they took it too far or let's say personal, as if it's a must to bring in new people or else something bad will happen to their forum account.

To even introduce Bitcoin to someone, they must be very close to me, and I must have seen their commitment and desire for Bitcoin, and once I offer them Bitcointalk it's the end of our crypto discussion, everything they will need to know is already available on here, yet some are just time wasters, they won't listen to your advice.

Today, I have stopped telling people about Bitcoin and investments, apart from the fact that it's not safe to do so, some people don't like doing the hard things, they see investment as a longer way to make money, they want quick results.
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I don't think introducing this forum to someone interested in Bitcoin is a bad thing. I feel it's a good step. If the person is interested in learning Bitcoin and you don't have the time and patience to teach that person, just refer the person here. It doesn't matter if the person doesn't know anything at all about Bitcoin, if he/she is ready to learn and patient enough, they'll learn everything they need to know. If they're not patient enough then they can leave the forum. Dormant accounts don't hurt the forum, do they?

Convincing people about Bitcoin is wrong for me. I don't even tell people about Bitcoin (I have my reasons), but if you see someone who wants to know about Bitcoin so they can invest, why not educate them on what Bitcoin is?
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