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Quote from: Mbitr on September 26, 2022, 06:46:00 AM

Maybe signatures are to be banned next ?

I wonder how much participation around here would stop if this happened. Do you think the folks chiming in everywhere with chipmixer signatures would keep posting? How many DT1 members would suddenly disappear? What about people selling coins and other products in the goods section… Would there be anyone left to buy? It seems like this forum is heavily reliant upon signature campaigns at the moment. This is what we built… I wonder if we’ll see even more signature campaigns and paid posters as a result of no legitimate means of advertising here now.

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Quote from: Mbitr on September 26, 2022, 06:28:59 AM

Do we really need ANY advertising? I for one would be more than happy for the forum to be ad free !

It's not that WE need advertising, it's the fact that Theymos would obviously want it. Let's not forget that Bitcointalk is still technically a centralized business owned by Theymos — which is totally fine, and I heavily support him!

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Quote from: Mbitr on September 26, 2022, 06:28:59 AM

Do we really need ANY advertising? I for one would be more than happy for the forum to be ad free !

Yes, I believe we need advertisement because most of the local market traders do not know and do not aware of bitcoin. In my office, direct opposite a clothes and a provision seller ask me what is bitcoin because she saw it on the banner I sample on the street of my office. It was not only she that has asked me but many and I have explained to many as well.

And also for the forum. Let there be no restriction on signature and campaign posts. The restriction is making some boards redundant. Although I really do not know why the restriction was implemented. Well paying for ads slot is not too bad but not everyone who want to make advertisement have the amount, that is an another restriction on interested persons to add ads.

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Quote from: PX-Z on September 26, 2022, 09:06:57 AM

Then we will see a huge decline of statistics^{(posts, topics, replies, new users, merit, almost everything lol)} on the forum especially on the altcoin boards' where bounties are the most reasons why these newbies' registers.

IMO altcoins board activity are declining because there's few signature campaign paid with Bitcoin is forbid to post on altcoins board. Most of bounties right now are social medias campaign, so banning signature doesn't really make huge difference on bounties section.

I'd say Bitcoin discussion and Beginner & Help are become the new spam sections since there's many pointless thread created everyday.

Quote from: jackg on September 26, 2022, 08:19:32 AM

I wonder if we'll get some new factoids coming out though soon? I'd support a community based project on that too if we have things/need tor ank things worth advertising generated by forum members here.

Good idea, especially for non-profit project like:
1. We are all Hodlonaut
2. https://bitcoincleanup.com
3. NotYourKeys.org - Community Contribution Avatar Campaign

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Quote from: Mbitr on September 26, 2022, 06:28:59 AM

Do we really need ANY advertising? I for one would be more than happy for the forum to be ad free !

The sites paying to get slots certainly need the advertising, that's why they pay for the slots.
Does the forum need the revenue from paid advertising, I'll normally have said yes, but considering theymos is considering shutting it down, then maybe not.

While paid ad slots may not be that necessary, the incentives from signature campaigns goes a long way to keep discussions alive on the forum. Many of the discussions are spam, but even genuine, constructive conversations would slow up if there were no signature campaigns.

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Quote from: Mbitr on September 26, 2022, 06:46:00 AM

Quote from: suchmoon on September 26, 2022, 06:39:50 AM

Forum banner ads are unobtrusive enough so I don't mind them, especially considering the amount of signature ads.

Maybe signatures are to be banned next ?

Then we will see a huge decline of statistics^{(posts, topics, replies, new users, merit, almost everything lol)} on the forum especially on the altcoin boards' where bounties are the most reasons why these newbies' registers.

We cannot deny it why the forum has this lively and a lot of discussion is because of these users who keep posting are those in paid signature campaigns.

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Quote from: NotATether on September 26, 2022, 06:12:04 AM

Seeing as this frees up a bunch of ad slots, what does Theymos think of advertising non-profit bitcoin sites?

My conclusion from post theymos wrote earlier is that he is tired of doing everything manually, and even non-profit website can turn out to be shady or scam.
He would still need to manage non-profit stuff so I don't think he is willing to continue doing that, unless some moderator can do this job.
I think that funds people invested in forum ads so far will now move to signature campaigns.

Quote from: NotATether on September 26, 2022, 06:12:04 AM

I was thinking in particular about websites like bitcoin.org and perhaps my own website bitcoincleanup.com. Of course, as a prerequisite you must already have an HTML banner designed.

I am sure bitcoin.org won't e advertised here any time soon after they parted ways few years ago.
Not sure what will happen with other non-profit websites, but I would suggest adding Ninjastic website, BPIP website, or Loyce'v archiving website.
I support idea that bitcointalk should use some ad-network, or DT members could vote if ads should be allowed or not, problem is that DT system is currently not working correctly.

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Quote from: _act_ on September 26, 2022, 07:42:34 AM

Quote from: Mbitr on September 26, 2022, 06:46:00 AM

Maybe signatures are to be banned next ?

No

Read what theymos talked about the reasons, not worth the time spent on it is there. To ban ads will not affect this forum traffic, but if signature is banned, there would be less traffic. Many people that supposed to be exposed to what bitcoin is properly will be unable to.

I don't think Theymos would actually ban signatures based on what they've said in the past. They've mentioned scrapping the ad space below threads and I think there was hope demand would drop before then or it'd be less effort to implement that system.

The first topics where he mentioned stopping with the ad slots were years ago and perhaps this is a time where users enrolled in signature campaigns can determine what's promotable and what's scam/worthless.

Signatures remain a quite good way to distribute crypto to newbies and enthusiasts and to keep traffic here. There's also the argument that people might ignore the slots after a while so inserting new ones after a break might make them more noticeable to users. I can't find statistics on ad clicks either.

I wonder if we'll get some new factoids coming out though soon? I'd support a community based project on that too if we have things/need tor ank things worth advertising generated by forum members here.

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Quote from: Mbitr on September 26, 2022, 06:46:00 AM

Maybe signatures are to be banned next ?

No

Read what theymos talked about the reasons, not worth the time spent on it is there. To ban ads will not affect this forum traffic, but if signature is banned, there would be less traffic. Many people that supposed to be exposed to what bitcoin is properly will be unable to.

Signature campaign makes this forum to be lively too. Banning signature campaign is not possible because theymos will also consider others that are using it as an incentive.

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Quote from: suchmoon on September 26, 2022, 06:39:50 AM

Forum banner ads are unobtrusive enough so I don't mind them, especially considering the amount of signature ads.

Maybe signatures are to be banned next ?

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Quote from: Mbitr on September 26, 2022, 06:28:59 AM

Do we really need ANY advertising? I for one would be more than happy for the forum to be ad free !

Forum banner ads are unobtrusive enough so I don't mind them, especially considering the amount of signature ads.

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Quote from: Mbitr on September 26, 2022, 06:28:59 AM

Do we really need ANY advertising? I for one would be more than happy for the forum to be ad free !

I'm happier without commercial ads on this site, but some pro-Bitcoin initiatives could really use a boost in terms of outreach. I don't see a problem with that, considering we have a big "Lastest Bitcoin Core version" banner at the top of the page pointing to bitcoincore.org.

Like, let's go back to my own site for example (sorry about that).

Greenpeace has one million dollars to play with for smashing Bitcoin mining, while resisters have to pay for advertising from their own pockets. It's very expensive, considering that there is basically no website income to offset the costs. The result is that the facts don't get the reach they deserve (whereas the misinformation does because it is bankrolled).

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Quote from: NotATether on September 26, 2022, 06:12:04 AM

Seeing as this frees up a bunch of ad slots, what does Theymos think of advertising non-profit bitcoin sites?

I was thinking in particular about websites like bitcoin.org and perhaps my own website bitcoincleanup.com. Of course, as a prerequisite you must already have an HTML banner designed.

Do we really need ANY advertising? I for one would be more than happy for the forum to be ad free !

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So I just read Theymos' post in the Auction board: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60976136 but it's locked so nobody can comment there, and it wouldn't bode well to start a discussion there anyway since you can't delete or edit posts there.

So, ads are not going to be auctioned away anymore. He did mention that you can privately contact him to buy some ad slots from him in the usual manner.

Seeing as this frees up a bunch of ad slots, what does Theymos think of advertising non-profit bitcoin sites?

I was thinking in particular about websites like bitcoin.org and perhaps my own website bitcoincleanup.com. Of course, as a prerequisite you must already have an HTML banner designed.

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