No Mt.Gox....No Willy bot....No moon!

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Quote from: derpinheimer on August 03, 2014, 08:41:15 PM

Quote from: fred930 on August 03, 2014, 08:07:42 PM

If Willy was a MASSIVE influence on the price what's to stop someone doing the same thing again with a different bot on a different exchange, or multiple exchanges?

Uh, because it would be illegal?

In which jurisdictions? Once the Lawsky regs are enacted, it would be illegal in New York State. But that hasn't been enacted yet, and is just one jurisdiction. What about the rest of the world?

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Quote from: fred930 on August 03, 2014, 08:07:42 PM

If Willy was a MASSIVE influence on the price what's to stop someone doing the same thing again with a different bot on a different exchange, or multiple exchanges?

Uh, because it would be illegal?

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Quote from: fred930 on August 03, 2014, 08:07:42 PM

If Willy was a MASSIVE influence on the price what's to stop someone doing the same thing again with a different bot on a different exchange, or multiple exchanges?

That could even take the price of 1 bitcoin to even 1brillion per coin logically

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If Willy was a MASSIVE influence on the price what's to stop someone doing the same thing again with a different bot on a different exchange, or multiple exchanges?

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Quote from: Mobius on August 03, 2014, 06:00:57 PM

Quote from: derpinheimer on August 02, 2014, 11:27:33 PM

Its funny and sad that people refuse to believe that Willy was a MASSIVE influence on the price, and without it the bubbles would not have occurred.

Going up 2x in a year is not the same as going up 10x in a week.

I find it hard to believe that people think this was actually some kind of conspiracy. There was actual money behind the willie bot, and the money was actually being spent on the bitcoin purchased.

Did you even read the Willy report?

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Quote from: derpinheimer on August 02, 2014, 11:27:33 PM

Its funny and sad that people refuse to believe that Willy was a MASSIVE influence on the price, and without it the bubbles would not have occurred.

Going up 2x in a year is not the same as going up 10x in a week.

I find it hard to believe that people think this was actually some kind of conspiracy. There was actual money behind the willie bot, and the money was actually being spent on the bitcoin purchased.

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A Great Time to Start Something!

Quote from: luigi1111 on August 03, 2014, 12:45:20 AM

Quote from: cuddaloreappu on August 02, 2014, 10:57:56 PM

Quote from: Bit_Happy on August 02, 2014, 10:23:41 PM

Quote from: cuddaloreappu on August 02, 2014, 10:16:07 PM

Nothing changes including our imminent demise from global warming...

Three themes are emerging from the newly released emails:
(1) prominent scientists central to the global warming debate are taking measures to conceal rather than disseminate underlying data and discussions;
(2) these scientists view global warming as a political “cause” rather than a balanced scientific inquiry and
(3) many of these scientists frankly admit to each other that much of the science is weak and dependent on deliberate manipulation of facts and data.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2011/11/23/climategate-2-0-new-e-mails-rock-the-global-warming-debate

keep denying..deny when there is huge tsunami headed

Strong rebuttal.

No is was not. Tongue

No rebuttal can overcome the fact that "scientists frankly admit to each other" global warming is based on "deliberate manipulation of facts and data" and "the science is weak".
They even had to update the name to climate change.

Willy bot helped intensify the rallies (and dips), but BTC can still go up dramatically in the future.

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Quote from: cuddaloreappu on August 02, 2014, 10:57:56 PM

Quote from: Bit_Happy on August 02, 2014, 10:23:41 PM

Quote from: cuddaloreappu on August 02, 2014, 10:16:07 PM

Nothing changes including our imminent demise from global warming...

Three themes are emerging from the newly released emails:
(1) prominent scientists central to the global warming debate are taking measures to conceal rather than disseminate underlying data and discussions;
(2) these scientists view global warming as a political “cause” rather than a balanced scientific inquiry and
(3) many of these scientists frankly admit to each other that much of the science is weak and dependent on deliberate manipulation of facts and data.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2011/11/23/climategate-2-0-new-e-mails-rock-the-global-warming-debate

keep denying..deny when there is huge tsunami headed

Strong rebuttal.

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Quote from: Hypnoise on August 02, 2014, 11:39:52 PM

amazing how persistent such made up BS stories like willy bot can be.

Get it clear in your head ---- THERE WAS NO WILLY BOT

more then 1000 bots been trading on gox at any given moment. Because bots strategies are similar and on set time can the same too, it may for some outsider observation appears like one bot.

Right, all those trades on accounts with the same amount of USD, with missing information in the database.. are totally unrelated. Roll Eyes

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amazing how persistent such made up BS stories like willy bot can be.

Get it clear in your head ---- THERE WAS NO WILLY BOT

more then 1000 bots been trading on gox at any given moment. Because bots strategies are similar and on set time can the same too, it may for some outsider observation appears like one bot.

derpinheimer

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Its funny and sad that people refuse to believe that Willy was a MASSIVE influence on the price, and without it the bubbles would not have occurred.

Going up 2x in a year is not the same as going up 10x in a week.

cuddaloreappu

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The 1000x returns during the dot com bubble is what has given rise to paypal mafia and people like elon musk who change the world for better..

if there was only 5-10% increase then all those people would have been working for a day job trapped in middle class

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Quote from: Bit_Happy on August 02, 2014, 10:23:41 PM

Quote from: cuddaloreappu on August 02, 2014, 10:16:07 PM

Nothing changes including our imminent demise from global warming...

Three themes are emerging from the newly released emails:
(1) prominent scientists central to the global warming debate are taking measures to conceal rather than disseminate underlying data and discussions;
(2) these scientists view global warming as a political “cause” rather than a balanced scientific inquiry and
(3) many of these scientists frankly admit to each other that much of the science is weak and dependent on deliberate manipulation of facts and data.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2011/11/23/climategate-2-0-new-e-mails-rock-the-global-warming-debate

keep denying..deny when there is huge tsunami headed

Bit_Happy

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Quote from: cuddaloreappu on August 02, 2014, 10:16:07 PM

Nothing changes including our imminent demise from global warming...

Three themes are emerging from the newly released emails:
(1) prominent scientists central to the global warming debate are taking measures to conceal rather than disseminate underlying data and discussions;
(2) these scientists view global warming as a political “cause” rather than a balanced scientific inquiry and
(3) many of these scientists frankly admit to each other that much of the science is weak and dependent on deliberate manipulation of facts and data.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2011/11/23/climategate-2-0-new-e-mails-rock-the-global-warming-debate

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Quote from: bigasic on August 02, 2014, 07:35:04 PM

I think most of want BTC to hit 10k tomorrow.. I think we need patience. If it grew by 5-10 percent a year would actually be great, but we want it to be 1k percent, like it has been. We've been spoiled, no two ways about it.

1k percent is what will cause a redistribution of wealth and change the world for better..

5-10 % is just going to ad bitcoin along in the list of commodities and other broken rigged markets where only the rich can trade and profit, rich stays rich and poor stays poor..

Nothing changes including our imminent demise from global warming...

this 1000k increase of bitcoin will be one among which may save the world

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I think most of want BTC to hit 10k tomorrow.. I think we need patience. If it grew by 5-10 percent a year would actually be great, but we want it to be 1k percent, like it has been. We've been spoiled, no two ways about it.

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Quote from: Dalmar on July 30, 2014, 07:01:18 AM

Quote from: peter378 on July 30, 2014, 06:28:55 AM

Maybe whoever was behind the bot will just move to another exchange, unless all their bitcoins and money is still trapped on MtGox.

You can't pull off what Willy did with ones own money. Only exchange owners using fake USD and running a fractional reserve could do it.

The bot was just a way for whales to buy a lot of bitcoin while having less of an impact on the price. The whales were not creating money out of thin air but rather were using large investor's money to buy large amounts of bitcoin.

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A Great Time to Start Something!

The Bitcoin economy today is much different than the past, so it should be easy to see that BTC has outgrown the influence of a single crooked exchange.

Quote from: DannyHamilton on July 29, 2014, 11:28:31 PM

Did a bot create the Rhodium Bubble of 2008?

Did a bot create the Uranium Bubble of 2007?

Did a bot create the U.S. Housing bubble of 2006?

Did a bot create the Dot Com bubble of the late 1990's?

Did a bot create the Japanese Bubble economy of the late 1980's?

Did a bot create the gold bubble of 1980?

Did a bot create the U.S. Stock Market bubble of the "Roaring 20's"?

Did a bot create the South Sea Bubble of 1720?

Did a bot create the Mississippi Bubble of 1719?

Bots are just a tool. Bots don't create bubbles. Greed, fear, exuberance, and loss of logical and tempered thinking causes bubbles. Bots were just a way to take advantage of that.

So many recent ones?
"Too many Dollars chasing too few goods".

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Your mistake is thinking Gox was such a big influence for Bitcoin.

Gox prospered because of Bitcoin, not the other way around.

If it wasn't Gox, it would have been some other exchange. As long as Bitcoin continues to function properly, people will use it because of it's properties. As long as people continue to use it, there will be a market. As long as there is a market, there will be speculators. And so on.

Guess what an exchange with 80% of a currencie's volume is to it. Of course it was a bug influence! It also had a big influence to the price as the trades started to decline after withdrawals stopped. So yeah, MtGox was maybe the biggest influence to bitcoin's price at the time since it was handling the majority of trades, it affected prices even with it's closure.

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Bitcoin value isn't destined to follow an horizontal line forever, this is just a normal period of stagnation
after the previous peak, just wait and more moons will come without the help of Willy bots of any sort.

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