No, the Linux Kernel is not like Bitcoin nor its network. Sorry. - page 2.

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Quote from: notme on September 27, 2012, 10:04:00 PM

But, yes, he technically still holds the copyright for those portions that haven't been modified yet.

Wow. Thanks.

Does Linus Torvalds have a copyright anywhere in Linux?

I did a quick search and it appears the answer may be yes.

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Linux founder Linus Torvalds has his own comments on the separate issue of Android potentially violating the Linux kernel's copyright, an issue raised last week.

http://www.itworld.com/open-source/140916/android-sued-microsoft-not-linux

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Quote from: misterbigg on September 27, 2012, 10:21:26 PM

"A Bitcoin Foundation" doesn't really change anything except put a public face on what was already going on.

In your opinion, what are the chances that this new public face will maintain a "hands off" approach to bitcoin?

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Quote from: Atlas on September 27, 2012, 10:31:32 PM

Quote from: misterbigg on September 27, 2012, 10:21:26 PM

Quote from: Atlas on September 27, 2012, 10:18:58 PM

I've witness all of this but it just does not bring me confidence. The Founding Father's fought off threats before but without vigilance it decays.

You're saying that you haven't had any confidence in the current system anyway, because "A Bitcoin Foundation" doesn't really change anything except put a public face on what was already going on. In light of this you should probably not be involved with Bitcoin since you don't trust the system.

I trusted it when Satoshi was around and I was here for that. I began to lose trust when Gavin visited the CIA. We can take Bitcoin back from this.

Amen, lets start writing code instead of posts! Are you with me Atlas?!

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Quote from: misterbigg on September 27, 2012, 10:21:26 PM

Quote from: Atlas on September 27, 2012, 10:18:58 PM

I've witness all of this but it just does not bring me confidence. The Founding Father's fought off threats before but without vigilance it decays.

You're saying that you haven't had any confidence in the current system anyway, because "A Bitcoin Foundation" doesn't really change anything except put a public face on what was already going on. In light of this you should probably not be involved with Bitcoin since you don't trust the system.

I trusted it when Satoshi was around and I was here for that. I began to lose trust when Gavin visited the CIA. We can take Bitcoin back from this.

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Quote from: Atlas on September 27, 2012, 10:18:58 PM

I've witness all of this but it just does not bring me confidence. The Founding Father's fought off threats before but without vigilance it decays.

You're saying that you haven't had any confidence in the current system anyway, because "A Bitcoin Foundation" doesn't really change anything except put a public face on what was already going on. In light of this you should probably not be involved with Bitcoin since you don't trust the system.

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Quote from: misterbigg on September 27, 2012, 10:14:56 PM

Quote from: Atlas on September 27, 2012, 10:09:06 PM

I am not ignorant of the perceived checks and balances people believe in. I just doubt their efficacy in the face of a cult of personality like the Third Reich and other regimes.

Clearly you are not aware of the struggles that developers aiming to improve the protocol via "Bitcoin Improvement Protocol" proposals need to go through haggling with miners and mining pools. Plenty of evidence in the mining and related development forums. If the majority of the network does not accept a proposed change, it doesn't happen, period.

Gavin, et. al. cannot simply ignore the will of the bulk of nodes on the network in order to push changes through. Unlike any other software system the Bitcoin software evolution is very much a social activity. Just like the protocol, which implements a decentralized consensus, the development process requires distributed consensus of users in order to make changes.

From your comments it seems that you haven't read the ample information available on this subject.

I've witness all of this but it just does not bring me confidence. The Founding Father's fought off threats before but without vigilance it decays.

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Quote from: Atlas on September 27, 2012, 10:09:06 PM

I am not ignorant of the perceived checks and balances people believe in. I just doubt their efficacy in the face of a cult of personality like the Third Reich and other regimes.

Clearly you are not aware of the struggles that developers aiming to improve the protocol via "Bitcoin Improvement Protocol" proposals need to go through haggling with miners and mining pools. Plenty of evidence in the mining and related development forums. If the majority of the network does not accept a proposed change, it doesn't happen, period.

Gavin, et. al. cannot simply ignore the will of the bulk of nodes on the network in order to push changes through. Unlike any other software system the Bitcoin software evolution is very much a social activity. Just like the protocol, which implements a decentralized consensus, the development process requires distributed consensus of users in order to make changes.

From your comments it seems that you haven't read the ample information available on this subject.

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Quote from: misterbigg on September 27, 2012, 10:07:18 PM

Quote from: Atlas on September 27, 2012, 05:47:51 PM

It won't matter if 51% of the network accepts it and imposes its rule over your funds. A fork won't matter if the foundation makes that barely feasible.

Okay, I accepted your ramblings in the beginning because you had some semi-legitimate points but now you are just exposing your ignorance of the protocol and the social ecosystem which has sprung up around it. Some of the things you are suggesting are simply not possible (hint: mining pools).

I am not ignorant of the perceived checks and balances people believe in. I just doubt their efficacy in the face of a cult of personality like the Third Reich and other regimes.

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Quote from: Atlas on September 27, 2012, 05:47:51 PM

It won't matter if 51% of the network accepts it and imposes its rule over your funds. A fork won't matter if the foundation makes that barely feasible.

Okay, I accepted your ramblings in the beginning because you had some semi-legitimate points but now you are just exposing your ignorance of the protocol and the social ecosystem which has sprung up around it. Some of the things you are suggesting are simply not possible (hint: mining pools).

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Technology and Women. Amazing.

Most people were waiting anxiously for the September announcement regarding Bitcoin thinking it'd be a good thing. Sucks that it isn't.
Who wants to bet that this is the result of Gavin meeting up with the CIA and discussing it with them?
Who the fuck is Peter Vessenes and why is he the CEO? What makes him qualified to represent the bitcoin community(nobody should have this ability save for Nakamoto him/her self)? I don't see Peter Vessenes on these forums.
I'm glad I haven't implemented the 0.7 official client. My trust in the core development team is rapidly diminishing.

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Quote from: mobile4ever on September 27, 2012, 09:40:18 PM

Quote from: Syke on September 27, 2012, 09:28:48 PM

Satoshi has provided us with a license to the source code. As long as we abide by that license, Satoshi really can't say what we do with it.

Uh oh.. is that right? We are only using bitcoin with his permission?

He has given everyone in the world irrevocable permission to use, share, and edit his code. However, if you edit it and distribute the edited version, you have to share the code for your edits. But, yes, he technically still holds the copyright for those portions that haven't been modified yet.

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Quote from: Syke on September 27, 2012, 09:28:48 PM

Satoshi has provided us with a license to the source code. As long as we abide by that license, Satoshi really can't say what we do with it.

Uh oh.. is that right? We are only using bitcoin with his permission?

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Quote from: Atlas on September 27, 2012, 09:29:56 PM

Quote from: Syke on September 27, 2012, 09:28:48 PM

Quote from: Atlas on September 27, 2012, 08:58:02 PM

Well, see where this has been taken. Bitcoin now has a ruler, guys. Satashi Nakamoto can now tell you what you and cannot do with your money.

You make me laugh.

Satoshi has provided us with a license to the source code. As long as we abide by that license, Satoshi really can't say what we do with it. But, for example, if you try to remove that copyright notice and put your own notice in place and pretend that you own it, you could receive a DMCA take-down notice for violating those copyrights. I suggest you pay attention to the license of any software you run.

You're implying I recognize any authority that comes with copyright law.

Sure, you could choose not to... right up until they knock down your door and arrest you. Pretending the handcuffs don't exist won't help you get out of them.

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Quote from: Syke on September 27, 2012, 09:28:48 PM

Quote from: Atlas on September 27, 2012, 08:58:02 PM

Well, see where this has been taken. Bitcoin now has a ruler, guys. Satashi Nakamoto can now tell you what you and cannot do with your money.

You make me laugh.

Satoshi has provided us with a license to the source code. As long as we abide by that license, Satoshi really can't say what we do with it. But, for example, if you try to remove that copyright notice and put your own notice in place and pretend that you own it, you could receive a DMCA take-down notice for violating those copyrights. I suggest you pay attention to the license of any software you run.

You're implying I recognize any authority that comes with copyright law.

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Quote from: Atlas on September 27, 2012, 08:58:02 PM

Well, see where this has been taken. Bitcoin now has a ruler, guys. Satashi Nakamoto can now tell you what you and cannot do with your money.

You make me laugh.

Satoshi has provided us with a license to the source code. As long as we abide by that license, Satoshi really can't say what we do with it. But, for example, if you try to remove that copyright notice and put your own notice in place and pretend that you own it, you could receive a DMCA take-down notice for violating those copyrights. I suggest you pay attention to the license of any software you run.

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Quote from: Explodicle on September 27, 2012, 09:13:07 PM

Wow, since all of us agree with Syke, we must be in big trouble!

There IS harm in being too vigilant. You've flown since 2001, right? There are far bigger problems to solve out there than all bitcoiners becoming mindless zombies. Don't you remember how everyone freaked out over p2sh?

What makes you think you understand human nature and implied authority better than the average bitcoiner?

I might not. However, I have seen how things can be controlled through good intentions and a trojan horse of an organization.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_central_banking_in_the_United_States

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Wow, since all of us agree with Syke, we must be in big trouble!

There IS harm in being too vigilant. You've flown since 2001, right? There are far bigger problems to solve out there than all bitcoiners becoming mindless zombies. Don't you remember how everyone freaked out over p2sh?

What makes you think you understand human nature and implied authority better than the average bitcoiner?

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Quote from: Syke on September 27, 2012, 08:55:53 PM

Quote from: Atlas on September 27, 2012, 08:48:08 PM

Satoshi Nakamoto wrote most of the core protocol. As far as we are concerned, he is now defunct, gone.

Gone or not, he still owns it. Not you.

Well, see where this has been taken. Bitcoin now has a ruler, guys. Satashi Nakamoto can now tell you what you and cannot do with your money.

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Quote from: Atlas on September 27, 2012, 08:48:08 PM

Satoshi Nakamoto wrote most of the core protocol. As far as we are concerned, he is now defunct, gone.

Gone or not, he still owns it. Not you.

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Quote from: Syke on September 27, 2012, 08:44:19 PM

Quote from: Atlas on September 27, 2012, 04:37:59 PM

Torvalds may own Linux. Gavin Andresen does not own Bitcoin. Sorry. We own it.

The only people who "own" Bitcoin are the people who own the copyright to the source code. I see people like Satoshi Nakamoto, Pieter Wuille, John W. Wilkinson, and others listed in the source files as truly owning it. I haven't looked at all the files, but I'm sure you're in there somewhere. Where is the notice for the parts you own?

Satoshi Nakamoto wrote most of the core protocol. As far as we are concerned, he is now defunct, gone.

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