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Topic: No, There is no manipulator (Read 2737 times)

legendary
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October 20, 2011, 10:00:12 AM
#24
Why doesn't he just let it fall to nothing and scoop it up for cheap?  It eventually will climb back up in a few years anyway.  Why does he want to catch a falling knife?

Imagine, just for a moment, that you have money and give Bitcoin a decent success chance. Then imagine multiple people of the kind exist, competing to be the lowest to execute a major buy.

Voilà! That's all the magic. We're closing in on a potential end of the bust, and people compete to strike the bottom. Panic sells into large bidwalls have high volumes. It's an invitation to early adopters to do a massive panic sell.

Why is everyone so upset about this? Everyone is free to place orders wherever he wants. I personally would not choose a round sum or be so visible, but then again, I'm not the one throwing 100k USD at the market, so I don't get to choose.
hero member
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October 20, 2011, 02:42:17 AM
#23
im sorry for the speculation, but i can not change. so i live with it and dont cry like a baby.

legendary
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Merit: 1004
October 20, 2011, 01:38:28 AM
#22
Is that why it allows such blatant control and centralization?

who invented the trading of bitcoins? the bitcoins or the greed of the market / of us?

whos sayin you must use mtgox? bitcoins or we all together because with more than 1k bitcoins you can not use an other exchange?

at the moment bitcoins are used 95% for speculation. thats why we must use mtgox. if bitcoins would be used for buying goods there would be not that problem. its a chicken and egg problem.

im sorry for the speculation, but i can not change. so i live with it and dont cry like a baby.
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October 20, 2011, 01:22:02 AM
#21
legendary
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October 20, 2011, 01:19:14 AM
#20
This guy is really pissing me off. I came home today looking forward for the carnage of bitcoin finally below $2.00's, only to see that it hit $2.04 for the low. OK, $2.04 is not bad, we are getting close, but then I look at the bid volume, and could not believe this moron put up a 45,000 bitcoin bidwall.

Lol.

Welcome to the free market total. No closing exchange because of 50% +/- per Day, not trading from 9 to 5. - 24/7 trading around the world. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Maybe its a manipulator; maybe its a lazy guy just sayin i dont pay more.

I dont care.

The market reacts or not, comes to a conclusion or not. Maybe the market (including me) can not handle an open orderbook, running away in panic from a big bid/ask wall.

Dont piss on this guy, you are the problem youreself! You just react like a little child.

If youre looking for a regulated market bitcoin is definitely the wrong playground. bitcoin wants to be unregulated, is unregulated and will always be.
full member
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October 20, 2011, 12:54:25 AM
#19
Its a trap don't rally!

I didn't say buy.  I just noticed it rallied 10 cents.

However high it gets later this month, it'll crash further the next.

December, I think it may rally big in anticipation of the 2012 change.
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legendary
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October 20, 2011, 12:37:53 AM
#17
why don't you just knock down the wall?
hero member
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October 19, 2011, 11:36:52 PM
#16
i had a bid at $1.99 but after seeing a low of $2.04 i moved it down quite a bit.

when it spikes down, it usually goes much lower than the previous low, and $0.05 is too small a difference.

i could be waiting a while though...

legendary
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October 19, 2011, 11:19:29 PM
#15
The bulls, bears, and constant talk of a 'manipulator' on this forum got me thinking: is it illegal to pump-and-dump bitcoin?  Is it illegal to collude with other traders, to post bull or bear comments on forums and drive the price up or down?

Bitcoin isn't a share of a listed company that can benefit from insider trading.  It's not recognised by any significant market in the world.  If a person in Europe tries to pump and dump using a forum hosted in the USA on a bitcoin exchange in Japan, does anyone care?
sr. member
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October 19, 2011, 10:43:47 PM
#14
In solidarity, I, too, put in an order at $2.00.  WE ARE ALL THE MANIPULATOR.

Except I think they call it collusion when in a financial context.
legendary
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October 19, 2011, 10:40:30 PM
#13
I put a bid in at $2, just so I too, could be The Manipulator.
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bitcoin hundred-aire
October 19, 2011, 10:34:32 PM
#12
if someone had enough coins to dump, he wouldnt have enough time to retract his bidwall to a lower price. 

GOGOGOGOGO SOMEONE
legendary
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October 19, 2011, 10:32:43 PM
#11
if someone had enough coins to dump, he wouldnt have enough time to retract his bidwall to a lower price. 
legendary
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Legen -wait for it- dary
October 19, 2011, 09:23:42 PM
#10
Why doesn't he just let it fall to nothing and scoop it up for cheap?  It eventually will climb back up in a few years anyway.  Why does he want to catch a falling knife?

He is protecting his 100k+ BTC holdings!

If it's actually 777 people and then someone sells 333 coins into it, how does Gox divy up who bought coins and who did not?

First come, first served! At any given price anyway!
More recent orders are stacked on top!
legendary
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Trusted Bitcoiner
October 19, 2011, 09:07:00 PM
#9
Its a trap don't rally!
hero member
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bitcoin hundred-aire
October 19, 2011, 09:05:30 PM
#8
Hmm it's rallying again!

"Rally"  Roll Eyes
full member
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October 19, 2011, 08:49:39 PM
#7
Hmm it's rallying again!
full member
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October 19, 2011, 08:48:08 PM
#6
If it's actually 777 people and then someone sells 333 coins into it, how does Gox divy up who bought coins and who did not?
full member
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October 19, 2011, 08:47:32 PM
#5
that wall will go ahead and disappear anyway.

Or just be moved to $1 or below.
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