Topic: 'Not all 1xbit promoters are scammers' (Read 744 times)

I thought long and hard before posting, because I didn't want my post to become politicized. And here we go...  
But let's go a step further. How about Heroin? Opium? Plutonium? Do you think it's ok for somebody to sell a truckload of semtex, just because they state they're "desperate"?
The law is an (albeit clumsy) method of typifying actions that may be hurtful to others. Sure, you may argue it's far from perfect, but it's the best we have. Last time I checked, running a scam was against the law.
And no, since I posted I haven't moved a finger to hurt anybody.


Well, maybe you're very young, but yes, it's the masses that forced the governments of the whole world, actually (not only the US) to move against cigarettes. They may not have been entirely successful in getting them banned, but they sure got a lot of legislation going.


Let me ask you this: do you think is ok to cite "desperation" as a justification for committing a crime? Besides most (if not all) legal systems in the world specifically saying it's not a valid legal argument (with very few exceptions), do you think is ok for somebody to cause the same (or worse) desperation on another human being, "just because" they're having a hard time?
And yes, as somebody who has been in really bad shape many times, and who has been offered illegal "solutions" countless times, I think I can definitely be the judge of it.
I've been unemployed for over a year and a half, had a stroke last year (that doctors have, so far, refused to treat, so my "treatment" is an aspirin a day, and a 60 block walk every night), I'm down to one meal a day (as I've been for over a year now), and lost 18kgs (39 Lbs) body weight. Yet there's not a single soul on this planet who can claimed I moved a finger to  hurt them in any way, unless they tried to hurt me.  

Can the government do anything about cigarettes? Sure, as I said, they already did. True, they didn't do quite enough in some people's view (including mine), because unfortunately Big Tobacco (same as Big Pharma and others) is a very powerful lobby, and acted to limit those laws against them, but the difference in the last few decades is undeniable.

FatFork: yeah, you're right (sorry, I don't know how to quote multiple posts). It just irks me to no end to see people trying to seek sympathy for that stuff. Victimizers playing victims. Ties up at the top with people claiming "ignorance" of the law. True, I should stop doing it. It only upsets me, and doesn't change a thing.

His arguments are quite accurate and it's hard to disagree with them. I'm a little surprised you don't even try to answer it. It seems you prefer to just rely on information from other people and just like a lamb to repeat what other people say. If you ignore the discussion, you may simply not be able to live up to its high level. Just saying..

@BernyJB, very well said, but if I may suggest, don't feed the troll... That dude has some serious issues ^[reference] and I wouldn't engage in a discussion with him. This is probably just a rant about the negative trust that he has gained as a result of his stupid actions on the forum. So, ignoring him is the best way to deal with him.

Ye that's a good point but I don't think it earns you the right to save everyone else other than you first whom you don't even know. (If you're doing that then your going against your own nature and that's lying to yourself)

Think of it this way.

Cigarettes kill and shopkeepers are still allowed to sell those.

Do you do anything about the life of others in your local since you made this point ->


I doubt that.
It's easy to swing the justice sword on this forum because you'll not get in trouble in real life.

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Now -

Do I think it's good to smoke?
- I wouldn't suggest anyone to but I can't force them since it's written on the Ciggratte pack (It can kill)
Just like the gambling website says - "You can lose money"

Do the masses tell the government to ban cigarettes because it's dangerous? because the masses are [human beings]
- I doubt that.

Do you think it's ok to blame someone who's selling the cigarettes out of desperation for money considering he needs it for family and not for gambling?
- I wouldn't want to be the judge of that (Maybe you can)

Can the government do anything to the gambling website or cigarette company that has stated the warning or Terms and conditions beforehand?
- I don't think so.

On a side note: It's not the job of the government to deal with the perception of the masses unless they stand a chance to challenge their control.
But do you think the majority of Human Beings would be willing to stand up against it?
Because it will help everyone or Only care about the people they know and leave the matter altogether because it's not their fight? (I believe this one has the highest probability from my life's experience)

@OP: so let me get this straight: you think you shouldn't be called a scammer by promoting a scam because you feel entitled to it. I don't think so.
So you live in a shitty country. So do I.
But you're in a bad situation. So  am I. I've been unemployed since April  2020, and I'm literally desperate. Yet I don't cheat others just because I'm in a bad shape.

If there's one single thing I love about this forum, that's precisely the trust system. I've visited a 1xbit thread, and I love the fact I was warned before falling for it, and I'm grateful to those that took their time to report the scam for others' benefit.

Here's a few tips you can follow:

1. If you don't want to be called a scammer, don't scam.
2. If you have a problem, find an honest solution to it. There's always one, as difficult to find as it may be.
3. If you wanna have other people's trust, earn it. There's a saying in Spanish: "La verdad es un arbol de raices amargas, pero de frutos dulces" ("Truth is a tree with bitter roots, but sweet fruit"). Follow it. You will find out the fruit justifies the roots, every time.
4. Don't whine. If something bothers you, find the appropriate way to fix it.
5. The fact that "you haven't been scammed" by somebody doesn't mean they haven't scammed others.  
6. You have problems. EVERYBODY has problems, but they don't feel entitled to harm others to solve them.
7. Every time you scam (or help scam) somebody, there's a HUMAN BEING in the other end that has been hurt because of you. Does that sound acceptable to you?

I understand what you're saying but did you read to understand my point? Because was first 7 words were used to pull the OP legs.
Aside from that, tbh.
Outside this forum, only a few people know that 1xbit is a scam company and if you notice most of their victim statements lately you know that they were introduced to the scam site outside the forum. An example is blockchair which also advertises this scam site before they take it down.

He lost everything because of desperation, and those who are still promoting 1xbit will not regret it until the campaign ends, which I'm sure will happen sooner or later. He was the only 1xbit user in my local without my tag on his profile, and I had a 1% trust that he would do the right thing, but that didn't happen. It's pointless to tag him right now.

Let us be Wise enough, saying every one working with 1xbit is not a scam we just encouraging scam more, because outside the forum 1xbit is know as a scam company and they are well known for outside community and if people working with them will know All these and continue to work with 1xbit that means they are promoting the scam of the company. I want us to know that they are all scammer because their reputation is damaged already, if not that the forum doe not push signature came 1xbit suppose leave until they clear their reputation

Yeah, but you are an enabler to a proven scammer so what's the difference? You're statement literally translates to " It's not my fault that I promote them even though they are a scammer." That's the only way around it, and don't try to twist it around. An enabler is as bad as the perpetrator.

Funny he didn't even bother to check that the campaign was full and doesn't accept new members before applying. It just confirms how desperate he is to get another dollar from those scammers with his throwaway account. There is no help for him.

After your bold ranting about your reputable last year- lol even the worst Sig campaign in the forum could not accommodate you in their campaign even after you defended them and created a thread clearly shows you are the enemy of yourself and the people you sold your reputation for are unwilling to accept you back! When you role with the wrong niggas, this is what you get. I did my best to help but you took the wrong turn

In 2021

They don't want to cheat their campaign participants, even though they play there 1xbit, for that you are never tricked directly, he is targeting users outside the forum or beginners.

Proving that the 1xbit site is committing fraud is not based on bullshit, many users have complained on this forum and 1xbit admits it and some of their funds have been refunded, some of them don't ignore it, which is the big problem 1xbit site is labeled as a fraud it happens over and over again almost every day users lose their money almost the same case.

If what happened between 1xbit and their users is 1 or 2 cases and it is resolved, maybe people don't conclude they are cheating, but fraud is being carried out by 1xbit sites every day, this is the case, and so are you, because you promote their site you automatically invite users into their black hole, deceptive conclusion.

Unfortunately, the OP has its clear position of being right. Look at his recent posts. He is desperate to keep promoting this scam. Speaking of honesty and decency, not all people, unfortunately, have a correct understanding of these definitions. Your wellbeing is paramount.
But I see that the number of its negative tags is growing. Therefore, his theme of convincing and accusing us of being cruel to such harmless people as the OP loses all meaning. He will not find allies in understanding here.

I'm not putting a red tag on some of the members who promoted 1XBIT, but putting a tag on promoters who think that 1XBIT did not scam anyone and all are false accusations and that it is right to promote 1XBIT and justifying openly that it's ok to promote 1XBIT, based on your post these people who filed complaints are the one in fault because they filed complaints when all these complaints are complete with proofs and screenshots, you should ashamed of yourself for defending 1XBIT by creating a thread like this.

A (temporary) negative accompanied by some short reasoning to leave the campaign: sure, some people may not be actively aware of all their forum actions but if they continue to market literal scams with awareness and intention, who else can be blamed?

I'd say that anyone promoting a service should be willing to use it, and I'm fairly certain that the promoters of 1xbit wouldn't be willing to deposit their signature funds into the site.

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Beyond everything else, feedback of all kinds are already sent extremely liberally due to the sheer size of DefaultTrust. Trust values have been diluted greatly and future behavior should either try to correct this or try to embrace it. The current mixture of shifting members is creates a range of weights when it comes to the network.

honestly i prefer to leave neutral feedback for people that are promoting this scam casino, leave negative feedback Is still very exaggerated, negative feedback should be used on the scammers account (the casino manager), Is my opinion, i hate this casino because he's been cheating and robbing a lot of people,  i also don't think it's right for anyone to promote them but i still think it's very cruel to leave feedback on the account of all campaign participants, neutral would be good

It is what it is. I wonder why the OP still wants to play innocent after promoting scamming casino company when in real world there's always a penalty for people that help thieves to execute their activities in stealing from innocent people.
What surprised me is that there are many threads created in the beginners and help which is more than enough to help the newbies thrive in this forum especially "Factors to consider before joining paid signature campaigns" created by CryptopreneurBrainboss is enough to save newbies from campaign issue.

Help scam site spread the word to get more victims, then anyone can be considered a scammer.

In the real world, if you help a robber hide after committing his crime, then you will also be punished with severe punishment. You should never get involved in a case that is known and identified as a scam because you need to know what the consequences will be. Anyway, I've flagged most of them ^{[personal consumption, they can't be trusted].}

I agree with what the OP said that not all the company in the subject promoter are scammer but technically they are scammer since they decided to work for the company with a lot of fix accusations and this remind of a quote which says "If you want to know what to do with a thief that you may find stealing, I say kill him on the spot, and never suffer him to commit another iniquity."
This is what the forum users did by tagging every promoter of the company as scammer.

You shoot yourself in both knees this way, of course figuratively speaking - because you literally admit that you will promote scam while you benefit from it, and then you may decide to change and be a better person. You may be able to remove one red tag, but I doubt you'll ever be able to remove it all - once you lose your reputation this way, it stays forever.