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legendary
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May 06, 2024, 05:12:41 AM
#29
There seems to be nothing safe in reality. Before, keeping huge sums of money in your house isn't advisable. That's too risky. Your cold cash is difficult to keep. You're exposing it to robbers. You could spend it on useless stuff. Your house could catch fire. There might be flood. Your money could even be consumed by rodents and other pests.

And yet, keeping your money in the banks could mean it could be frozen from you. It could be locked. You might not be allowed to withdraw it indefinitely. Your bank could crash. This goes on.

Keeping your money in gold, real estate, stocks, business, Bitcoin, and so on doesn't mean they're safe either. Perhaps diversifying your money could somehow lessen the risk.
Reality is, the safety and security of your wealth is only within your hands. If you are too trusting to your banks or even exchanges that monitor your wallet, you will lose them all in an instant. That is why when it comes to money, there’s no one you can trust 100%. So be cautious where to save or store your wealth. If you are not responsible enough to manage your wealth, you will definitely mess them in no time.

So I’d agree that with all these flaws, diversification could be the best option. At least if you lose one asset, the other one might probably be in profits. Risks are inevitable, but one should always know how to lessen those risks.
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May 06, 2024, 03:05:08 AM
#28
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But i feel that crypto and cash are real money the bank balance on my bank account i feel little sceptical yes banks are safe but still i need that feeling that at least some of my funds are under my own control.

You have control over the cash and crypto... as far as the money we keep in the bank, we have control as well, but not total. The bank can limit/deny our access to that money if they think there is a reason for doing so. Of course, it doesn't happen that often and it doesn't happen everywhere, but there have been cases in the world (especially during the coronavirus).

Well, it's simple actually... banks are the "middleman", a third-party service, and with crypto, the need for that "third-party service" is eliminated. We can store/keep coins, we can move them as we like, and wherever we like, we can adjust fees, so basically we can do alone most things that banks do.
sr. member
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May 06, 2024, 12:28:58 AM
#27
To be honest Banks have liabilities to other bigger banks and instutions If you own funds in bank it's not yours
In the future the new money system should be that at least some amount what you have in bank account for example up to 30k $ you can transfer into your private self custody wallet, i heard that's the plan and yes its needed.
Nowdays i feel like my bank account balance is just numbers and i have no control over it the true wealth i have is cash in my pocket or wallet and the cryptocurrency.
Also Banks hold extra liabilities to other financial instutions and bigger banks and you might have mortgage or car loan with your bank you might think they own it but not If your bank have problems than you might lose your home even you pay mortgage for your home.
The thing is that banks and other debit credit instutions don't expose to customers openly info about how much leverage or risk they have and liabilities what they need to pay to other financial instutions If not they must liquitate their assets.
In times like this you only want to deal with bigger banks and credit /debit instutions.
But i feel that crypto and cash are real money the bank balance on my bank account i feel little sceptical yes banks are safe but still i need that feeling that at least some of my funds are under my own control.

Although,banks holds several security measures that'll manage risks as theft and robbery,saving money in the bank Is also not a good decision,as the bank is not a reliable place to keep and protect your money.

However,individually,it would also be safer to have other opinions and options for your money as well.Whether its to invest in stocks,real estates,or consider investing in cryptocurrency.
Investing into bitcoin will help it develop and build an even more secure financial future for yourself.
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April 29, 2024, 06:48:49 PM
#26
There's no where that you'll keep your money that it'll be 100% safe, whether it's physical cash, in investment, in the bank or through your wallet, there are robbers, scammers, natural or man-made disasters and bankruptcy can happen, so you'll have to take chances in choosing any option. But I think that one of the safest places to keep your money is in the bank, so far it's a trusted Bank that has built a solid reputation, they won't tell you stories anytime that you want to make withdrawals
The same can be said of crypto exchanges that have built a “solid reputation”. Remember FTX? They were reputable until they were not. You can never be too sure of what you are not in control of. You do not possess sole authority over the money in your bank account, the government can freeze your assets at any time.

the only disadvantage of leaving your money in the bank is if there's devaluation of your local currency.
Not true. You can save money in foreign currencies by using a domiciliary account.
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April 28, 2024, 06:57:16 PM
#25
So you believe them when they say you are going to have self-custody of your funds in the future in a wallet that you own? Don't you think the wallet which they say will be a self-custody wallet will still be under their control and the funds in it wouldn't be completely yours to use without them knowing about it or having any control over it? If that happens, it won't be a centralized system anymore even if it's about a specific percentage of your wealth.

Traditional and central financial institutions will never let you become the owner of your funds and keep them to yourself while you are using their product which you say will be a self-custodial wallet. They wouldn't give you complete access to your funds that way, there will be some way for them to have control or keep an eye on your finances or financial holdings and where you are sending and receiving the funds.
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April 28, 2024, 04:06:56 PM
#24
What I know is that theirs no way you can invest in bitcoin that you will not make use of bank, the thing is that you have to invest and after investing in cryptocurrency you have to know that investment have to do with advantages and disadvantages so if you know that investing in Bitcoin will be profitable for you, you have to follow the normal procedure
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April 28, 2024, 03:45:10 PM
#23
Even keeping your own money in your own vault in your home won't be safe when someone gets to know that you've got a lot of it. So the risk of losing money in the banks, exchanges and even keeping it on your own vault is there. What you must do is to scatter them so that if one of the storage you've been keeping it had got problem then the others won't be affected. The other suggestions might just want you to deposit your money in different banks and have a lot of accounts and as for having Bitcoin, you become your own custodian of your own fund by having your private keys.

I believe that most people who deposit money in the banks are only doing it for the purpose of saving and it is different from investing. They don't expect too much for it and they also don't hold it for too long there. There is also a risk in investing.
It had become a habit and you want to see the balance of how much you have saved already. There's a slight percentage gain for putting it on savings but it's not what you are expecting to have the biggest return upon doing so.
legendary
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April 28, 2024, 02:44:23 PM
#22
Banks do not physically store all deposited funds but instead utilize them for lending and investment purposes, maintaining only a fraction of the deposited amount as reserves. Keeping you money in a bank is a risky idea even though that is how it has been for a long time. There are other options to pick from rather than keeping all of your money in the bank. Rather than keeping all of your money in the bank, invest a portion of it in bitcoin, invest part of it in starting up a business, put some part in stocks or real estate. A $10000 sitting in your bank for 10 years will not give you the same returns as it would if you put invest it in one of the alternated schemes listed above that you understand.
Even the banks themselves don't idle all the money they have because they know that it is a bad idea. We can learn from them and go for the recommendations that you have there. Some banks are established a long time ago but yeah, this alone is not enough as a definition of being safe because there is still what we called as inflation and its rates are growing from time to time. For those who don't know, it eats up the value of our money over time.

I believe that most people who deposit money in the banks are only doing it for the purpose of saving and it is different from investing. They don't expect too much for it and they also don't hold it for too long there. There is also a risk in investing.
hero member
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April 28, 2024, 09:33:05 AM
#21
Have you also thought of the potential harm that may occur during this process of trying to control your assets by yourself? Okay, let us also consider the possibility of keeping money in digital currency for instance holding bitcoin or any other altcoin as an alternative to save and secure one's assets or money. Do you also remembered that the painful thing is to completely loss access to your asset because in cryptocurrency all you have is to safe guard your private key, seed phrase or alphanumeric keys or whatever. But with bank you could start the process to have access to your bank account.
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April 28, 2024, 09:30:35 AM
#20
To be honest Banks have liabilities to other bigger banks and instutions

Banks don't own you any responsibility on what they use your money for and they are surely in business with your money.

If you own funds in bank it's not yours


Surely it is no longer yours if you have decided to take your money to your bank, it becomes there money until you demand to withdraw it .


The thing is that banks and other debit credit instutions don't expose to customers openly info about how much leverage or risk they have and liabilities what they need to pay to other financial instutions If not they must liquitate their assets.
In times like this you only want to deal with bigger banks and credit /debit instutions.

They don't have to expose their access and liability to you as an individual but they publish their annual report and share dividend with their share holders. You can find that in the public but they own you no responsibility of explaining what they used your money for. They are in business with your money definitely and if you are not cool with that then you won't keep saving in the bank.



But i feel that crypto and cash are real money the bank balance on my bank account i feel little sceptical yes banks are safe but still i need that feeling that at least some of my funds are under my own control.


Yes right . Cryptocurrency gives you that custody of your money in crypto to the exclusion of others.
hero member
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April 28, 2024, 08:10:29 AM
#19
But i feel that crypto and cash are real money the bank balance on my bank account i feel little sceptical yes banks are safe but still i need that feeling that at least some of my funds are under my own control.

I do hope that you heard about BYOB or Be Your Own Bank. So yes, that is the very definition of Bitcoin to us, as we have control. However, it has it's drawback, since we are in total then we need to protect it at all cost and this is where some of us fail. There are investors who lost their crypto to hackers because they don't know how to practice safety.

Banks on the other hand, could be safe, however, our money is not going to grow with them. So you need to balance everything, maybe keep some cash in your hand in case of emergency and have some on banks and then majority in crypto as a form of investment but you need to learn how to keep it safe and private. Everything in this world has it's pros/cons and there is not a perfect system. And so the best thing to do is to make the best out of it, bank and crypto.
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April 27, 2024, 08:37:20 AM
#18
One thing that is certain is that banks are not like safes that are safe for you to use to store money in the long term. Banks can go bankrupt.
Let me give you my experience of trustwallet, somehow it sent 25$ worth of a coin to the sending address of my former trustwallet. That happens to a bank and the bank would return that. Not so trustwallet.

The argument that a bank goes bankrupt is more remote than an exchange defaulting. Inflation: stablecoin Tether, do you remember? 
sr. member
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April 27, 2024, 07:14:48 AM
#17
One thing that is certain is that banks are not like safes that are safe for you to use to store money in the long term. Banks can go bankrupt. And this has even happened in the past few years where many large banks have gone bankrupt. And their customers are confused about how to get their money back. For me, banks are just a place to store money temporarily before using or buying real assets such as property and physical gold. And our real asset is the real estate itself. Meanwhile, money itself is only a temporary asset whose value always changes due to inflation. So the safest place to secure assets is to buy land, or property or anything that you can sell without worrying about being affected by inflation.
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April 27, 2024, 06:04:20 AM
#16
This we are the exact concerns of satoshi nakamato that made him to create Bitcoin. You do not need to lament as if the government of your country mandated every of their citizen to have all their money in the bank. Bitcoin introduced a kind of liberty to us. Satoshi successfully created a way of being your own bank so you can choose to manage part of your money in Bitcoin and leave the rest in your local bank. You do not actually know what goes in the back end of the banks and other financial institutions in connection with their Godfather (the government). They work in tandem against the common man who sees bank as the safest place to save. The people have trusted the government so much that we give them all. You can decide to join the league of trustlessness. Run a node today and become a full bitcoiner.

According to the whitepaper Bitcoin was planned as a P2P network, not as a financial vehicle. A bank fulfills many functions in society, lending and insuring your funds, at least in theory.
 
Due to the cultural decline and a much cruder view such as displayed in online forums people reach false conclusions. 
legendary
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April 26, 2024, 05:54:10 PM
#15
To be honest Banks have liabilities to other bigger banks and instutions If you own funds in bank it's not yours
In the future the new money system should be that at least some amount what you have in bank account for example up to 30k $ you can transfer into your private self custody wallet, i heard that's the plan and yes its needed.
Nowdays i feel like my bank account balance is just numbers and i have no control over it the true wealth i have is cash in my pocket or wallet and the cryptocurrency.
Also Banks hold extra liabilities to other financial instutions and bigger banks and you might have mortgage or car loan with your bank you might think they own it but not If your bank have problems than you might lose your home even you pay mortgage for your home.
The thing is that banks and other debit credit instutions don't expose to customers openly info about how much leverage or risk they have and liabilities what they need to pay to other financial instutions If not they must liquitate their assets.
In times like this you only want to deal with bigger banks and credit /debit instutions.
But i feel that crypto and cash are real money the bank balance on my bank account i feel little sceptical yes banks are safe but still i need that feeling that at least some of my funds are under my own control.

These were the exact concerns of satoshi nakamato that made him to create Bitcoin. You do not need to lament as if the government of your country mandated every of their citizen to have all their money in the bank. Bitcoin introduced a kind of liberty to us. Satoshi successfully created a way of being your own bank so you can choose to manage part of your money in Bitcoin and leave the rest in your local bank. You do not actually know what goes in the back end of the banks and other financial institutions in connection with their Godfather (the government). They work in tandem against the common man who sees bank as the safest place to save. The people have trusted the government so much that we give them all. You can decide to join the league of trustlessness. Run a node today and become a full bitcoiner.
sr. member
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April 26, 2024, 04:43:17 PM
#14
To be honest Banks have liabilities to other bigger banks and instutions If you own funds in bank it's not yours
In the future the new money system should be that at least some amount what you have in bank account for example up to 30k $ you can transfer into your private self custody wallet, i heard that's the plan and yes its needed.
Nowdays i feel like my bank account balance is just numbers and i have no control over it the true wealth i have is cash in my pocket or wallet and the cryptocurrency.
Also Banks hold extra liabilities to other financial instutions and bigger banks and you might have mortgage or car loan with your bank you might think they own it but not If your bank have problems than you might lose your home even you pay mortgage for your home.
The thing is that banks and other debit credit instutions don't expose to customers openly info about how much leverage or risk they have and liabilities what they need to pay to other financial instutions If not they must liquitate their assets.
In times like this you only want to deal with bigger banks and credit /debit instutions.
But i feel that crypto and cash are real money the bank balance on my bank account i feel little sceptical yes banks are safe but still i need that feeling that at least some of my funds are under my own control.

Ordinarily if you have the mindset of investing in crypto, then you don't have to deposit too much amount in your Bank account maybe just few amount you need for one or two things, however the banks are there for a purpose, don't forget that they give loan facility to there customers, they are accountable to your money hence you bank with them and that has been a long time practice Which is still useful till today, they have a lot of workers who still pay tax to the government and at the end of the day, that generates income to the government, and they are also responsible for our fiat distribution. so OP, the gloomy picture your painting on financial institutions for me is not necessary because they are there to serve a purpose and thus they've been doing from a long time coming.
legendary
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April 26, 2024, 03:57:32 PM
#13
In the future the new money system should be that at least some amount what you have in bank account for example up to 30k $ you can transfer into your private self custody wallet, i heard that's the plan and yes its needed.

I believe this is not going to happen because you the marginal reserve ratio are just 10% so all they gotta do is hold 10% of the entire funds entrusted to them in form of cash then they are free to use the rest in investment. What you are suggesting is not possible in fiat, its only applicable in crypto and there is no reason for banks to let you keep your own money in private self custody provided by them. Its just weird

Banks provide their service by keeping your money safe from robbery but in exchange, they are also using your money as part of their investment plan. It has been like that for centuries and it will be keep on being like that
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April 26, 2024, 03:04:47 PM
#12
To be honest Banks have liabilities to other bigger banks and instutions If you own funds in bank it's not yours
In the future the new money system should be that at least some amount what you have in bank account for example up to 30k $ you can transfer into your private self custody wallet, i heard that's the plan and yes its needed.
Nowdays i feel like my bank account balance is just numbers and i have no control over it the true wealth i have is cash in my pocket or wallet and the cryptocurrency.
Also Banks hold extra liabilities to other financial instutions and bigger banks and you might have mortgage or car loan with your bank you might think they own it but not If your bank have problems than you might lose your home even you pay mortgage for your home.
The thing is that banks and other debit credit instutions don't expose to customers openly info about how much leverage or risk they have and liabilities what they need to pay to other financial instutions If not they must liquitate their assets.
In times like this you only want to deal with bigger banks and credit /debit instutions.
But i feel that crypto and cash are real money the bank balance on my bank account i feel little sceptical yes banks are safe but still i need that feeling that at least some of my funds are under my own control.

I believe this was what prompted the idea behind the discovery and initiative of the Blockchain network and cryptocurrencies in general and as a note of solidarity, money in the bank is actually numbers that may be frozen for some reasons or debited for charges  or used to reinvest in other ventures by the bank, without the account owners knowledge.

Am sure it is clearly evident already and the only consolation I have is that these days even if the banks fold up or merge, one can still recover their funds, unlike how it was before.
legendary
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April 26, 2024, 02:58:27 PM
#11
It's worse than you think. Banks invest your money and lend it. They buy government bonds with it. If bonds yield is negative or very low, like it is now in the US, banks lose your money.
When the company that borrowed money from the bank loses it, it's your money that is lost. A company can go bankrupt and default on a loan, which means your money is gone. Why doesn't that mean the bank is bankrupt? Because governments want the bank to keep investing in their worthless bonds, so they can't allow the banks to go bankrupt, so they print money and tax all citizens to bailout banks.
It's all one big scam if you want to know my opinion.
legendary
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April 26, 2024, 02:33:47 PM
#10
Banks somehow offer you other services when you started an account with them and entrusted them with your funds. It's better compared to keeping cash to yourself. You can buy crypto and keep it yourself provided you know what you're doing, and you're sure that you won't be targeted for your funds. That's your keys and that certainly are your coins. Whatever happens to your funds are your sole discretion.

You can utilize banks for safekeeping and gaining access to other financial services that are otherwise beyond your reach if you decide to keep your funds yourself. Then again, if you really want to be sure that your funds will not be misused and you'd still gain something from it whilst being idle, buying crypto and learning how to safekeep it is one route.
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